Trust God and call it a day? I saw that bumper sticker this morning. I think it's stupid. How about trust yourself instead? (1 Viewer)

[PeacefulWarrior]

As an adult do you not know the difference between right and wrong? Does a book have to tell you? What's with this belief in an all powerful imaginary being that is invisible? To my knowledge not a person has proved this entity even exists yet I'm told my many I should ask for forgiveness from this invisible entity and then worship said entity?

Sorry, but that sounds crazy to me even after ten years of catholic school.

You can trust yourself all you want, all day long.

But many things fall beyond your control.

 

[bongsaway]

You can trust yourself all you want, all day long.

But many things fall beyond your control.

Let me correct you, most things fall beyond my control but I can control myself and what I do.

 

[tosca1]

I read this, I'm not reading your other posts because I can imagine they all say the same.

Are you afraid?

You're anticipating you wouldn't have any answer?



If you're brave enough - read my previous posts.
You should read them..............since they address your claim................head-on!

I know because God didn't do a dang thing, I did it. I made my mind up to stop. I moved with that intention and guess what, I made sure it worked. No god's involved. Are you folks so feeble you can't live without your god crutch? God did this, Satan did that, bullshit. Take responsibility for your actions and stop putting shit in the hands of some invisible entity.

HOW DO YOU KNOW GOD WASN'T BEHIND ALL THOSE?





can you please wrap your head around the logic of my questions, which are all about the Abrahamic God.

 

[Revelation]

Are you afraid?

You're anticipating you wouldn't have any answer?



If you're brave enough - read my previous posts.
You should read them..............since they address your claim................head-on!













HOW DO YOU KNOW GOD WASN'T BEHIND ALL THOSE?





can you please wrap your head around the logic of my questions, which are all about the Abrahamic God.

meh, Bongs is trying to run away from God, but he not fast enuf. God is everywhere, Omniscient too; best to come back to Reality and Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul and mind.

start there.


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[tosca1]

Let me correct you, most things fall beyond my control but I can control myself and what I do.

Let me just adjust your thinking here, and set it straight.


How did you get into drugs in the first place?
You weren't able to control yourself!
You said it yourself. You turned into a "low-life junkie!"

How did you even manage to get to the point of being a junkie...............if you can control yourself?
Obviously - you've lost control!



Lol - all these years, you were not able to control yourself from drugs! You became a junkie!
But lo and behold..............you were able to overcome it, after you claim to have done this:

I read the Bible, asked god for help..........

 

[Revelation]

Let me just adjust your thinking here, and set it straight.

How did you get into drugs in the first place?
You weren't able to control yourself!
You said it yourself. You turned into a "low-life junkie!"

How did you even manage to get to the point of being a junkie...............if you can control yourself?
Obviously - you've lost control!



Lol - all these years, you were not able to control yourself from drugs! You became a junkie!
But lo and behold..............you were able to, after you claim to have done this:

Tosca, i am very Happy that he did get help for his addiction that kills millions of people both rich and poor.

Tonight, i have a Celebrate Recovery meeting to go to, CR for short. we have Addicts, alcoholics, divorced, widows, and whatever else come to church for help.........


so we help them and love them.

and for free.


we start out with Dinner and Fellowship. then Singing, Worship, Testimony, and bible lessons.

after that is small Groups and more fellowship. so i listen to people and just Love them where they are; throw in some prayer and lots of Encouragement. go home and do it all over next week.

CR, (Celebrate Recovery) available everywhere for those with 'hurts, habits and hangups' at real local Bible churches. join a group and just go EVERY week.

God will meet you there.

or don't; stay home and Sulk, get negative and shake little fist at God. God always wins, so go figure.

and i direct this also to the bushels of Fake Atheists here; so where are you today? is your Unbelief fixing things for now and Eternity? prolly not.



blessings.


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[tosca1]

Let me correct you, most things fall beyond my control but I can control myself and what I do.

Continuation:


In facr, you felt you did not have control....................that's why you asked GOD for help! RIGHT?

And, by the looks of it - He did help you.
The only thing is, you fail to recognize it.


Thus, back to my question again:


HOW DID YOU EXPECT GOD TO HELP YOU?

 

[nota bene]

Because beliefs are not facts. Do you agree with that statement? I believed my ex wife would never cheat on me. Now's she's my ex for a reason, can you guess the reason nota? Let's be honest, folks like you don't like your beliefs challenged.

You aren't challenging my beliefs, though.

And I'm not going to defend them either. I'm not asking you to defend your non-belief; I accept that you are a non-believer and respect your position, although I don't share it.

But again, if you know that beliefs aren't facts, why isn't this enough for you? What more do you want? The conversion of others? If you've already decided for yourself that belief in God is nonsense, that is going to have to be enough...as it is for everybody, who is also going to decide for him or herself.

If your hope is for conversion of believers into non-believers, I'd suggest that your own certainty really is going to have to be enough. You aren't going to be able to change mine.

 

[tosca1]

I know because God didn't do a dang thing, I did it. I made my mind up to stop. I moved with that intention and guess what, I made sure it worked. No god's involved. Are you folks so feeble you can't live without your god crutch? God did this, Satan did that, bullshit. Take responsibility for your actions and stop putting shit in the hands of some invisible entity.

Kinda like a guy who walked all the way to the bank, to try to get a loan so he can pay debts............

..........and after he was given a loan...........


........he goes on to take all the credit for himself.


I WAS IN DEBT TO MY EYEBALLS, AND I PAID IT ALL IN FULL! I DID IT ON MY OWN!"

 

[trixare4kids]

You aren't challenging my beliefs, though.

And I'm not going to defend them either. I'm not asking you to defend your non-belief; I accept that you are a non-believer and respect your position, although I don't share it.

But again, if you know that beliefs aren't facts, why isn't this enough for you? What more do you want? The conversion of others? If you've already decided for yourself that belief in God is nonsense, that is going to have to be enough...as it is for everybody, who is also going to decide for him or herself.

If your hope is for conversion of believers into non-believers, I'd suggest that your own certainty really is going to have to be enough. You aren't going to be able to change mine.

Well said.
I've often wondered if that's why non-believers are so overly involved in these types of discussions. What is it they hope to achieve? If one already knows they don't believe, what's in it for them when it comes to what the faithful believe?

 

[Revelation]

Well said.

yep. when all else fails, call Nota to clean up here on this forum. she adds an air of Sophistication that many of us rubes pay attention to.

throw in Tosca and a few more and the Dynamic Duo starts to emerge.

I've often wondered if that's why non-believers are so overly involved in these types of discussions.

i used to think the same way; and then it occurred to me, that they are not 'non-believers' by ANY stretch. they really are fighting God and wear a facade of 'atheism'.

What is it they hope to achieve?

we don't know. stress relief, entertainment, depress the rest of us maybe. they wont say, but they sure don't believe a word of what they write. but they usually write some good fiction if you like that style.

If one already knows they don't believe, what's in it for them when it comes to what the faithful believe?

Ego, pride or fake Intellectualism.

actually nothing is in it for them when they hit judgement day, and they will. so i guess they get shock, tears, regret and a free Toaster Oven experience.

you tell me.

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[Daisy]

Funny, when a person does decide it's all bullshit, you folks don't accept our opinion and yet you expect us to accept yours.

'Agree to disagree' is more accurate...

 

[Revelation]

I read this, I'm not reading your other posts because I can imagine they all say the same. I know because God didn't do a dang thing, I did it.

actually he did and did plenty

thanks for acting on it the way you did AND living thru it.

I made my mind up to stop. I moved with that intention and guess what, I made sure it worked. No god's involved.

good, thank God.

Are you folks so feeble you can't live without your god crutch?

yes, we ARE so feeble we need God for a Crutch...

we teach that too drug addicts and alcoholics at CR (Celebrate Recovery) a nationwide program saving the addicts and disturbed.

i will be there tonight and you are welcome

you are always welcome, got it ???

God did this, Satan did that, bullshit. Take responsibility for your actions and stop putting shit in the hands of some invisible entity.

we do take responsibility. we just need Extra help........all of us do.

Funny, when a person does decide it's all bullshit, you folks don't accept our opinion and yet you expect us to accept yours.

think what you want. just think like God wants.

'Agree to disagree' is more accurate...

meh, i just listen

tonight i listen more.

people cry on my Shoulder

so i listen some more

some wanna pray..........go ahead

some wanna shout ..........well ok

others not sure what to do. wanna know, ok i show............gets Big Black Book: ye must be Born Again.


they pray and get Borned Again as they say in the south.........now, go and sin no more.

that's what Jesus say, that is what i say


bye, gottta run.

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[Michael Cole]

Kinda like a guy who walked all the way to the bank, to try to get a loan so he can pay debts............

..........and after he was given a loan...........


........he goes on to take all the credit for himself.

The bank gave me credit. They gave me credit for paying all my bills on time over decades. The bank gave me a loan based on this credit rating, which I take credit for myself, yes.

I WAS IN DEBT TO MY EYEBALLS, AND I PAID IT ALL IN FULL! I DID IT ON MY OWN!"

Yes, I did it on my own. I didn't fill out the checks in all caps, though. Nice touch.

 

[LittleNipper]

As an adult do you not know the difference between right and wrong? Does a book have to tell you? What's with this belief in an all powerful imaginary being that is invisible? To my knowledge not a person has proved this entity even exists yet I'm told my many I should ask for forgiveness from this invisible entity and then worship said entity?

Sorry, but that sounds crazy to me even after ten years of catholic school.

Why do we have patrolmen? When was the last time you saw the wind, yet everyone knows it's real.

 

[LittleNipper]

So, if he lets a Christian die in a car accident while the atheist in the other car survives, that is God's way?

The Christian is still alive with GOD. The atheist has been given a further opportunity to be saved.

 

[bongsaway]

You aren't challenging my beliefs, though.

And I'm not going to defend them either. I'm not asking you to defend your non-belief; I accept that you are a non-believer and respect your position, although I don't share it.

But again, if you know that beliefs aren't facts, why isn't this enough for you? What more do you want? The conversion of others? If you've already decided for yourself that belief in God is nonsense, that is going to have to be enough...as it is for everybody, who is also going to decide for him or herself.

If your hope is for conversion of believers into non-believers, I'd suggest that your own certainty really is going to have to be enough. You aren't going to be able to change mine.

Conversion of others, yes, exactly. You slipped the response to are beliefs facts and instead gave me some bull crap response, so, let me ask again. Are beliefs facts? A heavier than air machine that can fly, no way everyone said. Man on the moon, insane they said and you know why people said such things? Beliefs that turned out not to be factual at all.

My own certainty is enough for me and yet many on here tell me I'm wrong about my beliefs but cannot prove I'm wrong.

 

[bongsaway]

Are you afraid?

You're anticipating you wouldn't have any answer?



If you're brave enough - read my previous posts.
You should read them..............since they address your claim................head-on!













HOW DO YOU KNOW GOD WASN'T BEHIND ALL THOSE?





can you please wrap your head around the logic of my questions, which are all about the Abrahamic God.

Afraid, nope, just not responding so you might want to save all that finger motion. You wrote like eight things, I've responded to two to tell you you are wasting your time trying to prove the error of my ways.

 

[bongsaway]

Why do we have patrolmen? When was the last time you saw the wind, yet everyone knows it's real.

So tell me, why is it only Christians that seem to feel your god's magic? Does a Hindu, a muslim?

 

[LittleNipper]

So tell me, why is it only Christians that seem to feel your god's magic? Does a Hindu, a muslim?

Is that true?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO_y78TmtnU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFDCtq8JtDs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yWu-DI9sYI

Do you want more. There are plenty!

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

The Christian is still alive with GOD. The atheist has been given a further opportunity to be saved.

Seriously, talk about finding an angle for your justification, it's just too way out there.

 

[LittleNipper]

Seriously, talk about finding an angle for your justification, it's just too way out there.

The only ridiculous angle I note is yours. You are lost in left field and seem willing to remain there no matter the logic presented. Perhaps you feel it more logical that the Christian be saved and the Atheist died went to hell. Not very generous of you towards a lost soul. Anyone who goes to heaven will be more than happy to remain there... And anyone who ends up in hell will not be happy.

 

[tosca1]

Afraid, nope, just not responding so you might want to save all that finger motion. You wrote like eight things, I've responded to two to tell you you are wasting your time trying to prove the error of my ways.

You've responded to two.....but you failed to answer the most important question being thrown at you.
You can't address the other posts that directly give a logical response to your whining.


Whom are you kidding?

 

[bongsaway]

You've responded to two.....but you failed to answer the most important question being thrown at you.
You can't address the other posts that directly give a logical response to your whining.


Whom are you kidding?

I didn't read all your other posts directed at me, just the two I responded to. It's more like who are you kidding with the all powerful invisible entity that loves us all as we kill each other story?

 

[nota bene]

Conversion of others, yes, exactly. You slipped the response to are beliefs facts and instead gave me some bull crap response, so, let me ask again. Are beliefs facts? A heavier than air machine that can fly, no way everyone said. Man on the moon, insane they said and you know why people said such things? Beliefs that turned out not to be factual at all.

My own certainty is enough for me and yet many on here tell me I'm wrong about my beliefs but cannot prove I'm wrong.

I've never told you this, so why are you posting to me? And why do you want to discuss the difference between opinions, beliefs, and facts? Wander in the weeds by yourself.