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Trump's withdrawal from Syria is just pure racism

C'mon OP, there are plenty of times when Trump might have sent racist signals. This was not one of them. If any color affected this decision, it is the color "green".
 
And don't even pretend like you don't know it's racism, either.

He views countries made up of brown and black people as being beyond hope and thus not worthy of economic and military support. If you're a country of color you can expect to be left out in the cold by this administration. We're going to have an entire generation of people from these countries who will never trust any US president again. Thanks, President Orange.

Wrong.
You fence straddlers constantly use the race card every time our President Trump makes a executive decision that is spot on. You straddlers would complain if our President doesn't like his coffee black. This accusations of racism against our President is getting too old. make up something different. Be creative. Pretend the liberal/Demos are going to stop our President's campaign on the Wall or something.
 
It's amusing to see liberals defending American military intervention on the grounds that people of color deserve it.

However, there is a grain of truth in the assertion. Before the Second World War, American conservatives were isolationist. They didn't want to get involved in another European war -- why should Americans die to save the British and French empires? After World War Two, they become reflexively militarist: war by the US anywhere, any time, was supported by them. The rationale behind this was that these wars were necessary to stop the spread of 'international Communism'. After that spectre vanished, military intervention had other rationales -- but behind them lay the unquestioned belief in overwhelming American military superiority: we would always win.

Afghanistan and Iraq changed that attitude. Now American conservatives tend to revert to their older position: why should we care what one tribe of savages does to another?

The fact that Trump is president and making the decisions puts another twist on things: no one really knows why he does what he does. Will he do a Nixon-in-Vietnam and admit that we have lost in Afghanistan and working out a face-saving "give us a decent interval before you take over" deal with the Taliban? Who knows?

Probably the only fairly certain thing that guides any American administration in foreign policy is to obey the instructions of Israel. The Israelis are pretty smart people, with no illusions about Muslims, and quite able to work out where their interests lie. As Russia displaces the US as the power broker in Syria and Iraq, the Israelis will do a deal with them.

More than that, they, and other long-term-thinking nations, will begin to orient to China as it rises and the US declines. The wild card will be American behavior -- it will still have a massive military capability, albeit inferior to China's, even as its internal moral decay makes it impossible to predict what it will do with this capability. The realization that the US is rapidly on the way to being Number Two in the world will hit different groups in the US at different times -- some groups [the flag burners] will welcome this, others will simply not accept it. This will be the danger period, for the whole world.

I agree with a few exceptions. The US didn't "lose" in Afghanistan anymore than we lost in Iraq or Vietnam for that matter. The question is how to consolidate and keep your victory which is exceedingly more difficult in run down, tribal, third world countries than in places like Germany or Japan after WWII. As opposed to losing, we simply have no way to finalize our victory in such places. That is the lesson we keep failing to learn. While you can easily get into such places and inflict massive casualties and damage on the enemy, there is no way to exit and keep what you've won on the battlefield. Therefore, staying out is the best option unless you have a clear exit strategy as we had in Kuwait. (Destroy the Iraqi military, remove them from Kuwait and leave)

As for China, while they are making great exertions to displace us as the world's premier power, (yea, it's China that's the threat folks, not Putin) two things remain greatly in our favor. China has a huge conventional army but inferior weapons to the US. They have 270 nuclear warheads. We have 6,550. Also, as long as the dollar remains the world's reserve currency, we will remain the preeminent economic power. That doesn't mean we can sit back and do nothing but if we compete as hard with China as they do with us, we will maintain our position in the world.
 
The original TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) was coined long before your version.

Your moving goalpost then cause you claimed your version of tds you said happened on Election Day. Sorry but now your just being ridiculous.
 
If the term TDS (Trump Derangement Syndrome) is coined first it is the original....

Derp.

Yes derp, your Trump Defense Syndrome (TDS) is in full bloom.
 
And don't even pretend like you don't know it's racism, either.

He views countries made up of brown and black people as being beyond hope and thus not worthy of economic and military support. If you're a country of color you can expect to be left out in the cold by this administration. We're going to have an entire generation of people from these countries who will never trust any US president again. Thanks, President Orange.



Dude, you really need to settle the f* down before you go full blown clock tower. So irrational and bizarre is your premise that it borders on a complete mental breakdown.

Seriously.
 
Dude, you really need to settle the f* down before you go full blown clock tower. So irrational and bizarre is your premise that it borders on a complete mental breakdown.

Seriously.

Ya. This goes beyond even radical left. It lacks any rational basis and gets downright creepy.
 
Not a racist; a realist.

Bingo!

Even many people in those countries realize that the political and economic problems are hopeless.

That is why so many of them are going to Europe.

And that is why so many of them are coming to the United States.

Should we call them "racists" for being realistic about the prospect for economic and political progress in their homelands?
 
And don't even pretend like you don't know it's racism, either.

He views countries made up of brown and black people as being beyond hope and thus not worthy of economic and military support. If you're a country of color you can expect to be left out in the cold by this administration. We're going to have an entire generation of people from these countries who will never trust any US president again. Thanks, President Orange.

So Trump gets no credit for kicking ISIS out.

It's not clear to me what the big deal is since it's only 2500 advisory troops and American and French forces are still stationed in Iraq within striking distance. Also, Turkey has stepped up to continue to suppress ISIS. Erdogan is a bad actor, but he at least knows that his best interests don't lie with Moscow.
 
The Left has a serious problem with the Third World.

All the problems of these countries were supposed to be caused by European/American colonialism/racism, etc. So they got their independence and ... well, in some cases, they blossomed: Hong Kong and Singapore are examples, ruthlessly capitalist. But so is the Peoples Republic, ruthlessly Communist (but smart enough to get rid of their socialist economy and exchange it for a capitalist one). You'll notice what all three have in common.

In other cases ... well, India is pretty messed up, but making progress. With one brief period as an exception, they've been able to maintain a crude democracy. As for the others ... the Muslim countries are pretty bad, the sub-Saharan African ones even worse. Of course the Left blame the old colonialists/Zionists/imperialists but they know better. So they mainly just ignore the developments in these hell-holes when
something happens there.

Conservatives tend to ignore the horrors there as well, conservatism being a nationally-limited worldview.

But this is actually a bad trait, of both Right and Left. It's actually in our -- everyone's -- interests to see liberal democracy, in some form, advance in these countries. This doesn't mean the US has to send the 82nd Airborne in, or even to intervene indirectly via clandestine actions, to advance the democratic agenda.

But as the US declines, if its major competitor remains a dictatorship, it will not bode well for anyone. At the moment, liberal democracy doesn't have the appeal it used to have. In the US, its most privileged elite -- or rather, their offspring -- have contempt, even hatred, for their own country. The major liberal democracies seem to have abandoned their own working classes -- the ability of the free market to generate astonishing economic growth is being overshadowed by the fact that the fruits of that growth get distributed very unevenly.

So this generation has a major challenge facing it. All the old cliches and truisms of American liberalism and conservatism won't be adequate to understand the world that's coming.
 
Wow. CT forum is farther down. Trump's been president for almost two years! If he was so racist, ...

He publicly supported some KKK and Neo Nazis saying they were "very fine people."

It doesn't get much more racist than that. But you can add in that he was the leader of the racist Birther Movement, and that he was a racist long before that, refusing to rent to anyone with brown skin.


Here are links to reputable sources. Maybe try stepping out of the bubble?

Trump Defends White-Nationalist Protesters: 'Some Very Fine People'

One group loved Trump’s remarks about Charlottesville: White supremacists

Trump Has A Long And Well-Documented History Of Racist Behavior

Trump: No vacancies for Blacks

why didn't he pull us out on day one? He said we would stay until ISIS is defeated and now that they have no territory, Trump got us out. Why are YOU so racist?

You seem to be very confused. Defending, denying, trivializing, and supporting the racists is what racists do. That was a stated goal of the Charlottesville White Supremacist rally, to unite White Supremacists from across the country. That's what Trump was supporting. Calling out and trying to stop racism is what those that are AGAINST racism do. Hope that helped. :)


And don't those White Supremacists love them some Trump. Mmmmm mmmmm mmmm

One group loved Trump’s remarks about Charlottesville: White supremacists
 
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So Trump gets no credit for kicking ISIS out.

Has ISIS been kicked out? Why would anyone with more than five brain cells believe anything the Trump administration says? Sarah Sanders, their spokesperson, is an Evangelical Christian for Christ's sake, so you know it's very likely she'll lie at the drop of a hat, we've seen her do it over and over and over. And her daddy has been a conman Christian since he entered politics. Only a fool would believe anything these people, or anyone associated with them, has to say.
 
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