• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Trump's war on immigrants is driving us to a recession

j brown's body

"A Soros-backed animal"
DP Veteran
Joined
Jun 18, 2018
Messages
80,101
Reaction score
84,627
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Progressive
"The unemployment rate has historically been the go-to barometer for the economy’s performance. At just over 4 percent, unemployment remains low, and it has edged only a bit higher since the start of the year. Taken at face value, the economy is doing just fine. But it’s not. If the labor force had increased this year at the pace it did last year, the unemployment rate would be headed toward 5 percent. Of course, low unemployment is great, but only if it is due to lots of new jobs, not an evaporating labor force. And the labor force, which includes all those working and looking for work, is sounding the recession alarm bell. It has flatlined so far this year. Compare this with last year, when the labor force grew by well over 1 million workers, or the year before, when it increased by almost 2.5 million. Without more workers, it is tough for the economy to grow: A recession is more likely.

It’s no mystery what ails the labor force; it is the severe restrictions on immigration. The surge in undocumented immigrants that occurred during much of the Biden administration undoubtedly put financial and societal pressures on many communities across the country. However, many of these immigrants quickly applied for work authorization, received it and started a job less than a year after arriving. Immigration policy has since been flipped on its head, beginning at the end of Joe Biden’s presidency with his executive order to restrict asylum seekers. President Donald Trump’s policies have since shut down the southern border, and many immigrants are leaving the country either forcibly or through self-deportation.

Lawmakers could agree on substantive immigration reform. As recently as this time last year, they nearly passed bipartisan legislation allowing more immigrants with needed skills to come here. Presidential election politics waylaid that effort, and though another political window for these reforms might open again, it won’t happen quickly enough. Given the current immigration policy, it seems increasingly unlikely that the moribund labor force will come back to life soon, and more likely that a recession is dead ahead."

Link

Sorry Maga. I know the sadistic cruelty of Trump's immigration policy feels very satisfying, but you're cutting off your nose to despite your face.
 
"The unemployment rate has historically been the go-to barometer for the economy’s performance. At just over 4 percent, unemployment remains low, and it has edged only a bit higher since the start of the year. Taken at face value, the economy is doing just fine. But it’s not. If the labor force had increased this year at the pace it did last year, the unemployment rate would be headed toward 5 percent. Of course, low unemployment is great, but only if it is due to lots of new jobs, not an evaporating labor force. And the labor force, which includes all those working and looking for work, is sounding the recession alarm bell. It has flatlined so far this year. Compare this with last year, when the labor force grew by well over 1 million workers, or the year before, when it increased by almost 2.5 million. Without more workers, it is tough for the economy to grow: A recession is more likely.

It’s no mystery what ails the labor force; it is the severe restrictions on immigration. The surge in undocumented immigrants that occurred during much of the Biden administration undoubtedly put financial and societal pressures on many communities across the country. However, many of these immigrants quickly applied for work authorization, received it and started a job less than a year after arriving. Immigration policy has since been flipped on its head, beginning at the end of Joe Biden’s presidency with his executive order to restrict asylum seekers. President Donald Trump’s policies have since shut down the southern border, and many immigrants are leaving the country either forcibly or through self-deportation.


Lawmakers could agree on substantive immigration reform. As recently as this time last year, they nearly passed bipartisan legislation allowing more immigrants with needed skills to come here. Presidential election politics waylaid that effort, and though another political window for these reforms might open again, it won’t happen quickly enough. Given the current immigration policy, it seems increasingly unlikely that the moribund labor force will come back to life soon, and more likely that a recession is dead ahead."

Link

Sorry Maga. I know the sadistic cruelty of Trump's immigration policy feels very satisfying, but you're cutting off your nose to despite your face.
I will not click a “Link” only. Please post the complete link address so we can see what site you are using.

If it’s cruel in some people’s eyes so be it.

Can’t please everyone and the cost to right the wrongs are the price we have to pay for prior negligence.
 
not immigrants - legal immigrants have never been the problem

ILLEGALLY HERE PEOPLE are a huge massive problem

there isa difference that the left doesn't want to acknowledge
 
If all illegals actually worked, then we would have a job shortage when they left. Illegals are consumers too. When they leave consumption/demand should take a hit. I just don't think enough of them have left so far to make a mark on the economic indicators.
 
"The unemployment rate has historically been the go-to barometer for the economy’s performance. At just over 4 percent, unemployment remains low, and it has edged only a bit higher since the start of the year. Taken at face value, the economy is doing just fine. But it’s not. If the labor force had increased this year at the pace it did last year, the unemployment rate would be headed toward 5 percent. Of course, low unemployment is great, but only if it is due to lots of new jobs, not an evaporating labor force. And the labor force, which includes all those working and looking for work, is sounding the recession alarm bell. It has flatlined so far this year. Compare this with last year, when the labor force grew by well over 1 million workers, or the year before, when it increased by almost 2.5 million. Without more workers, it is tough for the economy to grow: A recession is more likely.

It’s no mystery what ails the labor force; it is the severe restrictions on immigration. The surge in undocumented immigrants that occurred during much of the Biden administration undoubtedly put financial and societal pressures on many communities across the country. However, many of these immigrants quickly applied for work authorization, received it and started a job less than a year after arriving. Immigration policy has since been flipped on its head, beginning at the end of Joe Biden’s presidency with his executive order to restrict asylum seekers. President Donald Trump’s policies have since shut down the southern border, and many immigrants are leaving the country either forcibly or through self-deportation.


Lawmakers could agree on substantive immigration reform. As recently as this time last year, they nearly passed bipartisan legislation allowing more immigrants with needed skills to come here. Presidential election politics waylaid that effort, and though another political window for these reforms might open again, it won’t happen quickly enough. Given the current immigration policy, it seems increasingly unlikely that the moribund labor force will come back to life soon, and more likely that a recession is dead ahead."

Link

Sorry Maga. I know the sadistic cruelty of Trump's immigration policy feels very satisfying, but you're cutting off your nose to despite your face.

Nailed it.

Unfortunately.
 
I will not click a “Link” only. Please post the complete link address so we can see what site you are using.

If it’s cruel in some people’s eyes so be it.

Can’t please everyone and the cost to right the wrongs are the price we have to pay for prior negligence.

 
I will not click a “Link” only. Please post the complete link address so we can see what site you are using.

If it’s cruel in some people’s eyes so be it.

Can’t please everyone and the cost to right the wrongs are the price we have to pay for prior negligence.
Glad you feel that way, but we disagree on what had been wrong. The wrong has been our recalcitrance to create functional immigration policy. Obviously, as our nation slides into recession, it shows that cutting off this ready and available supply of workers who will do the most undesirable jobs has been a very bad idea.
 
not immigrants - legal immigrants have never been the problem

ILLEGALLY HERE PEOPLE are a huge massive problem

there isa difference that the left doesn't want to acknowledge

Because of his suspension of asylum claims, Trump has blocked the way for many legal workers.
 
If all illegals actually worked, then we would have a job shortage when they left. Illegals are consumers too. When they leave consumption/demand should take a hit. I just don't think enough of them have left so far to make a mark on the economic indicators.

Trump's policies will lead to even fewer workers.
 
If all illegals actually worked, then we would have a job shortage when they left. Illegals are consumers too. When they leave consumption/demand should take a hit. I just don't think enough of them have left so far to make a mark on the economic indicators.
Some people will not believe a piano is falling from far above and refuse to move or look up even when someone tries to tell them they are about to become another splat of bubble gum on the sidewalk.

On another note....

What do you get when you drop a piano down a mineshaft?
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
A flat miner.
 
Basically, Trump is killing the productivity of America.

He is not only failing to recognize the tremendous potential human capital available to us at our Southern border, he is throwing away much of the human capital we have been benefiting from the productivity of.

That is having a negative effect on our economy.

Just as we tried to tell them before all this happened.

But no. They would not listen.

Their ears were too plugged up with xenophobia.
 
Glad you feel that way, but we disagree on what had been wrong. The wrong has been our recalcitrance to create functional immigration policy. Obviously, as our nation slides into recession, it shows that cutting off this ready and available supply of workers who will do the most undesirable jobs has been a very bad idea.
But as I mentioned I’m obviously in disagreement. Whatever the cost, the price has to be paid to correct our prior negligence
 
Because of his suspension of asylum claims, Trump has blocked the way for many legal workers.

Trump is trying to deal with a massive problem - it starts with securing the border

link to "Trump has blocked the way for many legal workers"
 
But as I mentioned I’m obviously in disagreement. Whatever the cost, the price has to be paid to correct our prior negligence
You think the only negligence has been in preventing undocumented workers from entering our nation and working. Regardless of our laws, our economy doesn't care if workers had papers or not. Money was paid to workers who then spent it in our economy. Some of them created jobs. That has all been lost, so our economy is contracted accordingly.
 
We missed a golden opportunity by not enacting the McCain-Kennedy Bill back during the Bush Administration.

We need foreign-born workers, and lots of them. That's just a fact. Isn't it better to embrace that fact head-on and deal with it sensibly than to make political hay out of it or to just ignore the facts?
 
Trump is trying to deal with a massive problem - it starts with securing the border

link to "Trump has blocked the way for many legal workers"

Let's be clear. Securing the border doesn't preclude allowing people to apply for asylum. Trump hasn't done that. He has shut it down and suspended asylum claims, which is legal for people to do. Its not solving the problem. Its a bit like banning cars and claiming you have solved the car accident problem.

He is also stripping legal status from immigrants who are here.
 
Let's be clear. Securing the border doesn't preclude allowing people to apply for asylum.
true but you and I and everyone knows it was exceptionally abused

Trump hasn't done that. He has shut it down and suspended asylum claims, which is legal for people to do.
I'm fine with it - there has to be a secured border and millions wanting to come in and using asylum as a claim? they can file for it outside the USA IMO

Its not solving the problem. Its a bit like banning cars and claiming you have solved the car accident problem.
He is also stripping legal status from immigrants who are here.

again, the system has been highly abused

I wish House/Senate would fix it - they won't though
 
Back
Top Bottom