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Trump's tariffs threaten our economy

Your citations sink your case.

None shows a pass-through of the full tariff.
The reference/response wasn't about pass-through of the full tariff. It was about your false statement that American Companies don't pay the tariffs....they most certainly do.
 
The American economy grew by 3% last months and stocks are close to an all-time high.
Perhaps turn the channel from Fox to the business channel to understand what's behind it and why this is not the strong report you are being led to believe it is .
 
Perhaps turn the channel from Fox to the business channel to understand what's behind it and why this is not the strong report you are being led to believe it is .
I do not watch Fox News.

I stated two facts.
 
I do not watch Fox News.

I stated two facts.
Quoting them and understanding the reasons behind them are two very different things.
 
???

So, if the object is to reshore manufacturing, we do this by reducing the profits of manufacturers, expecting them to invest in the US where they will...what? Continue to eat the higher costs?

Makes no sense at all.
Yes, it does make sense for foreign manufacturers to build here in the U.S. - assuming the U.S. is a big consumer of what they manufacture (e.g. Subaru Outback). We are a very big market to sell to and thus generate a LOT of sales.
 
Q2 initial GDP estimate in at 3%.

Increased imports negatively impacted Q1. Decreased imports impacted Q2 to some degree.
Yep, beat expectations by a fair amount. Dems won't like most of this link but will latch on tight to the end of it, lol.

 
Yes, it does make sense for foreign manufacturers to build here in the U.S. - assuming the U.S. is a big consumer of what they manufacture (e.g. Subaru Outback). We are a very big market to sell to and thus generate a LOT of sales.
The trouble is the raw materials they need are tariffed at a very high rate making production expensive. US auto makers can bring their parts in at a very low tariff. Businesses need to be assured of a stable environment before committing to huge investments. I think a lot of businesses are betting these tariffs don't last that long.
 
Yes, it does make sense for foreign manufacturers to build here in the U.S. - assuming the U.S. is a big consumer of what they manufacture (e.g. Subaru Outback). We are a very big market to sell to and thus generate a LOT of sales.
How are foreign companies going to invest in the US if they absorb the cost of the tariffs? Investment comes from profit and requires a return. You must keep in mind that the break-even point is not zero. It's the going rate for T-bills. Any ROI must exceed the T-bill rate. Nobody risks billions of dollars on lengthy projects that return 3% when they can simply buy T-bills and earn 4%.

If manufacturers are to relocate in the US, they're going to need funding. They cannot finance new construction without profit. Any business model must include price increases. If the increased costs of onshore production equal the tariff, then it's a wash. The company is still in the same position. Bringing production to the US will raise costs, price, and reduce units sold. This is economically contracting. The economy cannot grow in isolation.

The idea that importers will absorb the costs does not make sense with regard to onshoring. Onshoring will require optimization of profits, not voluntarily reducing them.
 
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Yep, beat expectations by a fair amount. Dems won't like most of this link but will latch on tight to the end of it, lol.

It's not important what Dems say just as it is not important what Republicans say. Both will spin it to their political advantage. Economists are saying this is not what it appears to be on the surface given the unusual situation with 1Q imports. Consumer spending was weak and Core GDP was also weak. The markets are less than impressed.

"Consumer spending, which powers about 70% of the US economy, picked up sharply in the second quarter to a 1.4% rate, up from the anemic 0.5% in the first quarter. But, combined with the previous data, it marks the two slowest quarters of spending since the pandemic. Meanwhile, businesses slowed their spending sharply during the same period, to 1.9% from 10.3%, mostly reflecting a recalibration from the front-running earlier in the year.

Still, the economy isn’t out of the woods and things could take a turn for the worse: A key gauge of underlying demand in the economy — real final sales to private domestic purchasers, also referred to as “core GDP” — slowed in the second quarter to an annualized rate of 1.2%, the weakest pace since the fourth quarter of 2022, down from 1.9% earlier in the year.


Headline numbers are hiding the economy’s true performance, which is slowing as tariffs take a bite out of activity,” Kathy Bostjancic, chief economist at Nationwide, said in commentary issued Wednesday. “If core GDP performance continues at this pace, we expect there will be even more pressure on the Fed to lower rates as the economy slows.”


 
Tell me what jobs tariffs on sugar, coffee, tea, bananas, toys, kitchenware etc will bring back to the States? The problem with this National Sales Tax is that it taxes everything the American consumer buys rather than targeting industries that would create good jobs for Americans.
It is up to the market to bring back the jobs. Trump has simply opened the door.
 
It is up to the market to bring back the jobs. Trump has simply opened the door.
Apparently I was not very clear in what I said given you totally missed the point. What jobs is Trump opening doors to by tariffing sugar, coffee, tea, bananas, cheap toys, kitchenware etc?
 
Come on, even the stupid ass MAGAs, once the electricity and natural gas bills start skyrocketing, are going to have to figure it out.
 
It is up to the market to bring back the jobs. Trump has simply opened the door.
Opening the door would be offering rapid approval and some tax abatements. And the door wasn't closed, anyway. Trump is making threats, which in effect closes the door. You have it backwards.
 
A tax that raises the cost of production.
Taxes are required to pay for government spending.
This is false. The difference is that tariffs are economically contracting. Income taxes are not.
Taking money from the hard working and giving it to those not working or not paying taxes is not the solution. For that person who works more hours and 2 jobs there should be a reward. For those who refuse to work or work illegally not paying any income tax punishment should be the reward. Not the taking of money away from those working 2 jobs to give to those who refuse to work or work for cash not paying any taxes.
The incentive with a tariff is to cut costs. The incentive with income tax is to produce more product.
The incentive from a tariff is to give businesses the opportunity to return and/or open and compete.
A 15% hike in price, going to the government, may be great for somebody, but not the American consumer.
Either way whether it is a tax or a tariff the American people will have to pay their bills. I rather not tax the hard working taxpayer for working to make more money. I like the idea of having a choice to decide how much I want to be taxed by how much I spend and what on.
 
Apparently I was not very clear in what I said given you totally missed the point. What jobs is Trump opening doors to by tariffing sugar, coffee, tea, bananas, cheap toys, kitchenware etc?
Anyone willing to build or grow such goods. The door has been opened and they have been given the opportunity to bring back these industries or start new ones.
 
Opening the door would be offering rapid approval and some tax abatements. And the door wasn't closed, anyway. Trump is making threats, which in effect closes the door. You have it backwards.
Not what my 401k is saying.
 
Yes, the analysis of the numbers show a drastic drop in imports as a result of the surge in the ! Economists are saying that the real number is a blend of Q! and Q2. The markets are less than impressed.

The expectation was 2.3% growth.
 
Trump wants to change the economy with his tariffs. They haven't hit yet.


Who do you think will pay that increased cost of goods? You will.
Yes, taxes have been increased.

Many people think taxes should be raised in the United States.

If you are not among them, cool. Your low taxes opinion is probably more popular.

I happen to disagree with you.

I can't delete enough of your post to make you look smarter, but perhaps I can repay the favor in the future.
 
I like the fact Trump is trying his best to make better trade deals for the people of this country.
Better how, exactly?

Beats the hell out of the pathetic job the former president or whoever was doing his job did to this country.
Show your work. What metrics are you using to determine this?
 
Trump is doing his level best to isolate the U.S. He has turned our friends and neighbors into enemies with his tariffs and threats!

Here is the latest example of Trump's twisted logic. To punish Russia he slaps a tariff on India.

The AP reports, "The United States will impose a 25% tariff on goods from India, plus an additional import tax because of India’s purchasing of Russian oil, President Donald Trump said Wednesday.

"India “is our friend,” Trump said on his Truth Social platform, but its tariffs on U.S. products “are far too high.”

"The Republican president added India buys military equipment and oil from Russia, enabling Moscow’s war in Ukraine. As a result, he intends to charge an additional “penalty” starting on Friday as part of the launch of his administration’s revised tariffs on multiple countries."
 
No, it's not. The bulk of Trump's tariffs will be paid by American consumers.
So you say, but provide no evidence.

American consumers often have other options, some with no tariff, so that they can avoid the cost.

You can complicate the matter, but there it is.
Fail.

Try harder.

Yes, the economy dipped a bit when Trump was elected President.
Only in Q1, when Biden had almost full control.

Q2 figures are newly available. According to the BEA, real growth is at 2.9%, while the deficit reduced to $10.1 BB compared to $67.9 BB for Q2 in 2024.
 
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