Trumps post Va. attack comment and lack thereof: The most disgusting to date.(

[Tigerace117]

Again -- that's dealing with "incitement," which I already said was a different matter. Just teaching and spreading those ideas around is protected speech.

Spreading those ideas is equivalent to promoting genocide since genocide is such a huge part of those ideas in the first place.

 

[Tigerace117]

Punching does kill.

Why do you seem to not understand that?

How about this punching game? Leaving dead folks in its wake.

Knockout game: Teens' punches turn deadly in US, at least two die




And, Antifa has a long and bloody history of violence. Study up some.

Running people over with a car is far more deadly.

Ah, the age old boogeyman. I've seen that before.

 

[Mycroft]

I didn't see "Antifa" trying to run people over with their cars. I didn't see "BLM" rallying around the statue of a man who fought for a cause which murdered thousands of American soldiers and sailors and went to war in the first place to preserve the institution of slavery.

Yes, he definitely should have singled out the virulent racists who were the ones actually causing the problems.

By eyewitness accounts and facts, Unite The Right had a permit to hold a rally in the park. Antifa came to disrupt the rally and initiated the violence. Unite The Right defended themselves. Both sides engaged in violence. Both are violence-prone organizations.

Yet, you want Trump to condemn one side and not the other and you criticize him when he condemns BOTH sides.

Why do you prefer Antifa over Unite The Right?

 

[Tigerace117]

By eyewitness accounts and facts, Unite The Right had a permit to hold a rally in the park. Antifa came to disrupt the rally and initiated the violence. Unite The Right defended themselves. Both sides engaged in violence. Both are violence-prone organizations.

Yet, you want Trump to condemn one side and not the other and you criticize him when he condemns BOTH sides.

Why do you prefer Antifa over Unite The Right?

"Defended themselves" by trying to run people over with a car? Huh.

Trump has been very vocal in denouncing those he feels were "mean" to him, yet his response to the white supremacist march was muted and nonchalant.

He's soft on Nazis.

 

[D_NATURED]

One "side" did not kill anyone. One nut did.

One side was NAZIs, so I have no clue where you derive your denial. NAZIs and the Klan have murdered MANY innocents, just as one of them attempted to do yesterday. Furthermore, anyone who knowingly and willingly marches WITH NAZIs is on the wrong "side" of whatever it is, no matter what they claim their purpose to be. That political philosophy has shown its ass to the world and we don't need to see any more of it.

You have that partially correct. They were protesting the systematic removal of all symbols of the Confederacy. They have a right, under our Constitution, to do that.

And the counter-protesters have the same constitutional right. Yet, one "side" carries with it the baggage of systematic murder and institutionalized racism that is a stain on this country. Do you understand the weight of the symbols of hatred that continue to adorn these morons? How can you pretend that all things are equal?

The other "side" was a compilation of people who wanted to silence the nationalists. Antifa organized a large part of the counter protest and Antifa is no stranger to violence and threats of violence.

I'm sorry, I forgot which nation was politically captured by Antifa and went about systematically murdering white Christian people. I forget which Antifa cell would burn crosses on the lawns of white people and lynch them in front of their children. When you say "no stranger" to violence, you must mean the violence and threats of violence they oppose from white, Christian NAZIs and Klansmen? No, they are no stranger to that. Again, your sad equivocation is emblematic of a deliberate ignorance of the conditions at play and the history here.

Antifa and the others there all had a right to protest, as did the nationalists, but many on both sides were there to fight.

So what? When has the fight against NAZI-ism been declared a draw? It's not. It is a perpetual struggle, not to force social or intellectual evolution upon retards who aren't ready for it, but to stand against the end-game that those retards have PROVEN they desire and are willing to see manifest in our shared reality.

Look, if you don't care to see the forest for the burning crosses, I can't change YOU or THEM. I am not a fan of violence but I sure as **** can't pretend that it's not occasionally necessary. Apparently, you think it makes you rational to ride the fence between conservativism and its most inhuman extreme. History has shown that it CAN and HAS been more than just a protest group. I have no idea why you feel it's in your interest to downplay their vile nature.

I challenge all our readers to replace the words "white supremacists" and "Nazi" with "Muslim" and "Islam" in this part of your post -- and discover that the meme is identical to those who are intolerant of Islam.

I don't like radical Islam either and they suffer from the same problem that other conservative groups have, which is the inability to see and admit that the worst of them ARE, in fact, a part of THEM.

I'm sure you won't agree -- hatred blinds a person to their own faults.

I don't hate you, I'm aghast at your convenient amnesia.

One thing I agree with you on -- this probably will continue. We have many folks that still revere the memories of the leaders of the Confederacy and they will continue to protest the wiping of all their symbols.

**** them! They lost. They don't get to be on the wrong side of history and still pretend they were just innocent cotton-growers trying to provide full employment to African immigrants. We know who and what they were and what they defended. History is clear that hate and bigotry are a righteous point of divergence from civil society and it's proper and good that they are as vigorously opposed today as they were in the time of Lincoln.

If the Left was smart ( I know, that's asking too much), they'd ignore these protests.

What a curious insult from someone who thinks ignoring NAZIs makes them go away. There were many in the US who wanted to ignore Hitler too. I'm glad they didn't.

But, they won't. They'll continue to fan the flames and we'll see more violence.

Holy ****, what persistent, tenacious ignorance! Entitled, superior, conservative bigots STARTED the fire and now it's the left who fans the flames? Do you blame the Jews for the holocaust too? I fail to see where you have any grasp of this issue and aren't in damage control mode.

 

[Mycroft]

"Defended themselves" by trying to run people over with a car? Huh.

You obviously have no idea of the timeline of events in the past two days. The car event wasn't in defense of anything. It was, however, an indication of just how out of hand both sides went in regards to the violence.

Trump has been very vocal in denouncing those he feels were "mean" to him, yet his response to the white supremacist march was muted and nonchalant.

He's soft on Nazis.

The Unite The Right rally was legal, permitted by the city and guaranteed under the Constitution...regardless whether you like them or not. And just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean Trump should single them out...and ignore Antifa, I might add...as you do.

I've seen no indication that Trump is soft on Nazis...but I have seen indications that Trump abides by the Constitution...even when you don't want him to.

 

[D_NATURED]

You obviously have no idea of the timeline of events in the past two days. The car event wasn't in defense of anything. It was, however, an indication of just how out of hand both sides went in regards to the violence.

Unless some lefty drove a car through the NAZIs, I don't see how one side wasn't way MORE out of hand, especially when you add the history of previous NAZI violence to that baggage.

The Unite The Right rally was legal, permitted by the city and guaranteed under the Constitution...regardless whether you like them or not. And just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean Trump should single them out...and ignore Antifa, I might add...as you do.

This isn't about what we "like". Objectively, NAZIs are the enemy of freedom and equality (see America). We've been fighting them since the thirties or earlier. We don't just not "like" them, they espouse a philosophy that has, objectively, victimized millions of innocent human beings and caused war, oppression and mass murder. Wake up.

I've seen no indication that Trump is soft on Nazis...but I have seen indications that Trump abides by the Constitution...even when you don't want him to.

During his campaign, he borrowed directly from white supremacist documents, other republicans have claimed not to know that they were speaking to crowds of racists at Trump rallies and Trump has placed people with ties to the alt-right (see NAZI) movement in his administration. He's not soft on NAZIs, he HIRES them. So, please, enough of the denial. It is unbecoming of someone who claims to comprehend the situation.

 

[Mason66]

You obviously have no idea of the timeline of events in the past two days. The car event wasn't in defense of anything. It was, however, an indication of just how out of hand both sides went in regards to the violence.



The Unite The Right rally was legal, permitted by the city and guaranteed under the Constitution...regardless whether you like them or not. And just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean Trump should single them out...and ignore Antifa, I might add...as you do.

I've seen no indication that Trump is soft on Nazis...but I have seen indications that Trump abides by the Constitution...even when you don't want him to.

I wouldn't want the President to elevate the profile of a group like this by even recognizing that they exist.

 

[HowardBThiname]

Spreading those ideas is equivalent to promoting genocide since genocide is such a huge part of those ideas in the first place.

Wrong. They're allowed to share their ideas, they're just not allowed to incite violence. The Constitution protects the former, but not the latter.

The world is full of all kinds of folks who would like to see other groups disappear. In the US, they're allowed to think that -- they're allowed to tell others they think that as well. They're just not allowed to incite folks to violence.

That also goes for Antifa and radicals on the far-Left. They're ideas and speech are protected, but when they start knocking heads together -- or getting other folks to do so -- they run afoul of the law.

There's absolutely nothing illegal about folks being members of the KKK or any extremist group.

 

[Mycroft]

Unless some lefty drove a car through the NAZIs, I don't see how one side wasn't way MORE out of hand, especially when you add the history of previous NAZI violence to that baggage.

So...if some Antifa guy smacked a demonstrator over the head with a bicycle lock, would you say something about that? I don't think so. In any case, you have no idea if the car driver was a nazi or not. And speaking of "previous" violence, here is just some of the stuff we've seen from Antifa.

The bicycle lock guy



Victims of Antifa violence




As long as you won't condemn both sides...as the President did...you are taking sides: The side of Antifa.

~rejected all the baseless spin, innuendos and lies~

 

[Mycroft]

I wouldn't want the President to elevate the profile of a group like this by even recognizing that they exist.

Well, that sentiment certainly seems to be the tactic used by the Mainstream Media and the left when it comes to Antifa, too.

Of course, sticking their heads in the sand doesn't make THAT violent group go away.

 

[HowardBThiname]

One side was NAZIs, so I have no clue where you derive your denial. NAZIs and the Klan have murdered MANY innocents, just as one of them attempted to do yesterday. Furthermore, anyone who knowingly and willingly marches WITH NAZIs is on the wrong "side" of whatever it is, no matter what they claim their purpose to be. That political philosophy has shown its ass to the world and we don't need to see any more of it.

I get that you don't like it. But, they still have a right to free speech.

And the counter-protesters have the same constitutional right. Yet, one "side" carries with it the baggage of systematic murder and institutionalized racism that is a stain on this country. Do you understand the weight of the symbols of hatred that continue to adorn these morons? How can you pretend that all things are equal?

Sure, the counter protesters also have a right to free speech.

I'm sorry, I forgot which nation was politically captured by Antifa and went about systematically murdering white Christian people. I forget which Antifa cell would burn crosses on the lawns of white people and lynch them in front of their children. When you say "no stranger" to violence, you must mean the violence and threats of violence they oppose from white, Christian NAZIs and Klansmen? No, they are no stranger to that. Again, your sad equivocation is emblematic of a deliberate ignorance of the conditions at play and the history here.

Drama much? Antifa doesn't get a pass to use violence just because they oppose others who have used violence. It doesn't work that way in the adult world.

So what? When has the fight against NAZI-ism been declared a draw? It's not. It is a perpetual struggle, not to force social or intellectual evolution upon retards who aren't ready for it, but to stand against the end-game that those retards have PROVEN they desire and are willing to see manifest in our shared reality.

A perpetual struggle against Nazism? Good grief. Nazism is dead. These guys are just looking for attention. They don't run a nation like Hitler did. They don't have jackboots slaughtering for them.

Seriously, this kind of talk is nutty.

Look, if you don't care to see the forest for the burning crosses, I can't change YOU or THEM. I am not a fan of violence but I sure as **** can't pretend that it's not occasionally necessary. Apparently, you think it makes you rational to ride the fence between conservativism and its most inhuman extreme. History has shown that it CAN and HAS been more than just a protest group. I have no idea why you feel it's in your interest to downplay their vile nature.

I'm not downplaying their nature, but you have downplayed the violent nature of Antifa and a growing far-Left ideology that has caught the eye of our law enforcement.

I don't like radical Islam either and they suffer from the same problem that other conservative groups have, which is the inability to see and admit that the worst of them ARE, in fact, a part of THEM.



I don't hate you, I'm aghast at your convenient amnesia.

No amnesia here -- and I didn't suppose you hated me. I'm just showing you that your comments mirror those of anti-muslims. You see yourself as righteous. The KKK does, too. Both ideologies are exclusive.

**** them! They lost. They don't get to be on the wrong side of history and still pretend they were just innocent cotton-growers trying to provide full employment to African immigrants. We know who and what they were and what they defended. History is clear that hate and bigotry are a righteous point of divergence from civil society and it's proper and good that they are as vigorously opposed today as they were in the time of Lincoln.



What a curious insult from someone who thinks ignoring NAZIs makes them go away. There were many in the US who wanted to ignore Hitler too. I'm glad they didn't.

I don't insult. I point out flaws in others' thinking.

Holy ****, what persistent, tenacious ignorance! Entitled, superior, conservative bigots STARTED the fire and now it's the left who fans the flames? Do you blame the Jews for the holocaust too? I fail to see where you have any grasp of this issue and aren't in damage control mode.

Off-topic.

 

[Mason66]

Well, that sentiment certainly seems to be the tactic used by the Mainstream Media and the left when it comes to Antifa, too.

Of course, sticking their heads in the sand doesn't make THAT violent group go away.

I wouldn't consider not mentioning the name of the group or calling them out as sticking their head in the sand.

The white nationalists are such a small group they are hardly worth mentioning.

Like I said, I would want the president to elevate an insignificant group like they are.

 

[trouble13]

Unless some lefty drove a car through the NAZIs, I don't see how one side wasn't way MORE out of hand, especially when you add the history of previous NAZI violence to that baggage.



This isn't about what we "like". Objectively, NAZIs are the enemy of freedom and equality (see America). We've been fighting them since the thirties or earlier. We don't just not "like" them, they espouse a philosophy that has, objectively, victimized millions of innocent human beings and caused war, oppression and mass murder. Wake up.



During his campaign, he borrowed directly from white supremacist documents, other republicans have claimed not to know that they were speaking to crowds of racists at Trump rallies and Trump has placed people with ties to the alt-right (see NAZI) movement in his administration. He's not soft on NAZIs, he HIRES them. So, please, enough of the denial. It is unbecoming of someone who claims to comprehend the situation.

Who has he hired that is a nazi?

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[Moderate Right]

I think the point would be that when even scaramucci gets it that gives you some idea what a sad State Trump is in

Like I said, you guys roast Scarmucci beforehand and sing him praises now. Just goes to show how partisan you are.

 

[trouble13]

In any case, you have no idea if the car driver was a nazi or not.

At this point we dont even know if he was intentionally trying to hurt anyone. Im still waiting to hear a detailed account of what went down. This guy could of been high as a kite and no idea what was going on. He may of been spooked and fleeing in a panic, or maybe he was pissed and intentionaly mowing people down with his car. It may of been personal chasing down one person and anyone in the way or it might of been a killing spree. Too many unanswered questions.



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[SonOfDaedalus]

I'm confused. I thought the KKK was an arm of the Democratic party. Why do they support Trump? I thought Nazis were leftist socialists, why do they support Trump?



Obviously, Trump hasn't made it clear to them that he doesn't support their cause.

So, glad to see Trump unifying the nation unlike Obama the divider. lol

 

[Tigerace117]

You obviously have no idea of the timeline of events in the past two days. The car event wasn't in defense of anything. It was, however, an indication of just how out of hand both sides went in regards to the violence.



The Unite The Right rally was legal, permitted by the city and guaranteed under the Constitution...regardless whether you like them or not. And just because YOU don't like them doesn't mean Trump should single them out...and ignore Antifa, I might add...as you do.

I've seen no indication that Trump is soft on Nazis...but I have seen indications that Trump abides by the Constitution...even when you don't want him to.

I know right? How dare those counter protestors exist! Them breathing is a clear provocation; something must be done! Hit 'em with your car! :roll:

The "Unite the Right" was a gathering of Nazis, White Supremacists, Neo Confederates and other scum who believe in and advocate genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Trump being unwilling to condemn actual ****ing Nazis with any degree of interest is extremely telling.

He's very soft on Nazis, yet he is more than willing to insult POWs. What a scumbag.

 

[Tigerace117]

Wrong. They're allowed to share their ideas, they're just not allowed to incite violence. The Constitution protects the former, but not the latter.

The world is full of all kinds of folks who would like to see other groups disappear. In the US, they're allowed to think that -- they're allowed to tell others they think that as well. They're just not allowed to incite folks to violence.

That also goes for Antifa and radicals on the far-Left. They're ideas and speech are protected, but when they start knocking heads together -- or getting other folks to do so -- they run afoul of the law.

There's absolutely nothing illegal about folks being members of the KKK or any extremist group.

Which is what they do so, by advocating ethnic cleasing and genocide. It is abosolutely unacceptable for any group to spew that kind of venom because over and over and over again, it has lead to violence.

 

[katzgar]

Like I said, you guys roast Scarmucci beforehand and sing him praises now. Just goes to show how partisan you are.

Don't believe I sing his Praises read it again until you comprehend it

 

[iguanaman]

I wouldn't consider not mentioning the name of the group or calling them out as sticking their head in the sand.

The white nationalists are such a small group they are hardly worth mentioning.

Like I said, I would want the president to elevate an insignificant group like they are.

Why do you guys keep saying that they are small and insignificant? Is that an attempt at getting us to ignore their rising numbers? Sorry but that is not going to cut it.

An explicitly white supremacist movement has, of course, long existed on the fringes of national politics. Since the 1990s however, efforts have been underway to rebrand white supremacy within more broadly acceptable language. Former KKK leaders adopted language associated with Black nationalism and Black pride in an attempt to redefine their movement as based in cultural pride, not prejudice. This framing exploited a central weakness in multiculturalism, for a celebration of racial difference without an explicit disavowal of white privilege and supremacy fails to take account of the question, why can’t we celebrate white pride? Leaders of the newly branded white nationalist movement also took steps to soften their image. They instructed members to wear suits and ties instead of shaved heads and swastika tattoos, to focus on changing hearts and minds and policy over enacting violence, and to emphasize white culture over overt white supremacy.

The movement also expanded exponentially online. A large white nationalist chatroom Stormfront.org grew from 30,000 members in 2004 to over 100,000 in 2016, with 30,000 visitors each day. The movement has also expanded into new digital arenas, with younger members proliferating on sites such as 4chan and reddit, multiple podcasts and radio programs, and a variety of news sites that collectively generate millions of hits per month.

This rebranding of the white supremacist movement accelerated when the activist Richard Spencer introduced the term “alt-right.” This name moves the emphasis further away from explicit white supremacy and instead describes white nationalist ideas as one wing of a broader conservative movement that is not solely focused on race. This reframing exposed white nationalist ideas to entirely new audiences. Individuals holding neo-Nazi views were suddenly granted extensive interviews in the mainstream press, so long as they identified as alt-right.

When White Nationalism Became Popular | Anthropology-News

 

[Mycroft]

I know right? How dare those counter protestors exist! Them breathing is a clear provocation; something must be done!

Counter protesting is fine...starting fights and violence is not.

Hit 'em with your car! :roll:

You are jumping to conclusions. You have no idea why that guy drove his car into people. But you don't care about reality, do you? Spin works.

The "Unite the Right" was a gathering of Nazis, White Supremacists, Neo Confederates and other scum who believe in and advocate genocide and ethnic cleansing.

And they have just as much right to express their opinions...peacefully and in compliance to the law...as anyone else. The fact that YOU or I don't agree with them doesn't give us the right to justify violence against them.

Trump being unwilling to condemn actual ****ing Nazis with any degree of interest is extremely telling.

He's very soft on Nazis, yet he is more than willing to insult POWs. What a scumbag.

Trump did the right thing and condemned the bigotry, hatred and violence on BOTH sides. But then, he believes in the Constitution, so this is not surprising.

 

[trouble13]

I know right? How dare those counter protestors exist! Them breathing is a clear provocation; something must be done! Hit 'em with your car! :roll:

The "Unite the Right" was a gathering of Nazis, White Supremacists, Neo Confederates and other scum who believe in and advocate genocide and ethnic cleansing.

Trump being unwilling to condemn actual ****ing Nazis with any degree of interest is extremely telling.

He's very soft on Nazis, yet he is more than willing to insult POWs. What a scumbag.

Honest question
were the counter protest conducted peacefully?

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[Tigerace117]

Counter protesting is fine...starting fights and violence is not.



You are jumping to conclusions. You have no idea why that guy drove his car into people. But you don't care about reality, do you? Spin works.



And they have just as much right to express their opinions...peacefully and in compliance to the law...as anyone else. The fact that YOU or I don't agree with them doesn't give us the right to justify violence against them.



Trump did the right thing and condemned the bigotry, hatred and violence on BOTH sides. But then, he believes in the Constitution, so this is not surprising.

I hate to break it to you, but the Nazis are the ones who started it and the ones who, you know, drove cars into people.

Nope, we have a pretty good idea of why he did it. The only ones who "don't" are those hoping against hope that his actions will be declared "justified" despite clearly not being any such thing.

Yet they are the ones who drive cars into crowds of people, not vice versa.

:lamo

Trump proved he was far more interested in attacking POWs than he was in opposing Nazis.

 

[Tigerace117]

Honest question
were the counter protest conducted peacefully?

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Nothing the counter protestors did warranted attempted vehicular homicide, no