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Trump's poll numbers dropping

disneydude said:
Good luck with that one...I can guarantee its never going to happen.
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After all the babbling that Republicans have done about Obama's middle name, if they nominate a guy named Cain, they deserve to all be struck down by God.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
Riiiight ... like the GOP rank and file would ever elect a black man as president. in 111 years, going back to 1900, they've elected a grand total of 6 blacks to Congress. That's roughly 26,000 election races ... six.
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LOL are you serious? Liberals care more about skin color than conservatives. Cain is the real deal.
Lack of blacks being elected by the GOP might have something to do with the lack of black Republicans. Ya think?

Here he is on the topic of race., and the reasons liberal media will ignore him.

Herman Cain: Media Scared ‘A Real Black Man Might Run Against Barack Obama’ | The Blaze
 
Barbbtx said:
LOL are you serious? Liberals care more about skin color than conservatives. Cain is the real deal.
Lack of blacks being elected by the GOP might have something to do with the lack of black Republicans. Ya think?

Here he is on the topic of race., and the reasons liberal media will ignore him.

Herman Cain: Media Scared ‘A Real Black Man Might Run Against Barack Obama’ | The Blaze
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111 years ... 26,000 election races ... six blacks elected. I know there have been well over 6 blacks run for Congress as Republicans (there were 32 in 2010), but neither Conservatives nor Republicans seem all too receptive to elect them to Congress, no less the White House.

By the way ... what is a "real black man?"
 
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Sheik Yerbuti said:
111 years ... 26,000 election races ... six blacks elected. I know there have been well over 6 blacks run for Congress as Republicans (there were 32 in 2010), but neither Conservatives nor Republicans seem all too receptive to elect them to Congress, no less the White House.

By the way ... what is a "real black man?"
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I don't know why more didn't get elected. Could be because conservatives don't vote for someone just because he's black, or just because he's white?

As far as a real black man, you'll have to ask Mr. Cain. He's the one who said it. Maybe he meant he was real black ( not a light skinned negro) or maybe a real black as both parents are black and he grew up drinking from the colored fountain. Well, except for when he snuck a drink from the white one, to see what the difference was.

“The liberal mainstream media, notice how they have tried to destroy Sarah Palin, notice how the more popular Michele Bachmann gets, the more they try to destroy her? You want to know why they go after those two ladies more viciously? Because they know that Michele Bachmann or Sarah Palin is going to draw a lot of the women vote away from the Democrat party. They are scared to death of that if they were to run and get the nomination. They are doubly scared that a real black man might run against Barack Obama.”
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disneydude said:
Any question whether Trump was hurt by the events of the last week (prior to Bin Laden)?

Christie Leads, Trump Loses When GOP Voters Asked Who They

One of the first polls to come out after the release of Obama's birth certificate shows decline in Trump's numbers. It will be interesting to see how other polls look in the coming days/weeks.

I think history will show that Trump went from being a real contender to a total joke in probably the quickest period of time in our history (probably even quicker than Ross Perot).
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He's officially not yet running.

He - and others - didn't go to the republican debate so they didn't get their face into the game . . . if his show is more important than runing for presidency the nwhat the hell else will cause problems if he does run / campaigns - and maybe even makes it into office.

Obviously now - there are other, better candidates who aren't full of it.

he can keep his tv show.
 
Barbbtx said:
I don't know why more didn't get elected. Could be because conservatives don't vote for someone just because he's black
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Change the D to a W and you are more accurate....Could be because many conservatives Won't for someone who is black.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
111 years ... 26,000 election races ... six blacks elected. I know there have been well over 6 blacks run for Congress as Republicans (there were 32 in 2010), but neither Conservatives nor Republicans seem all too receptive to elect them to Congress, no less the White House.

By the way ... what is a "real black man?"
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Okay, if you want to draw some fair comparisons, start referencing how many black people have been elected to Congress by the Democrats, versus how many who have run. Then start also looking at how many black people get elected to state level offices. Then start looking at how many other minorities each side elects to office. Also worth looking at are how many black people are registered as Republicans, how many as Democrats. How many Hispanics? There's a whole lot of information that would have to be considered before coming to any reasonable conclusion. But first, I'd like to see you substantiate the first datum about only 6 black Republicans being elected to Congress in history.
 
disneydude said:
Change the D to a W and you are more accurate....Could be because many conservatives Won't for someone who is black.
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Liberals will vote for blacks because they are black. That's how we got Obama.
Conservative vote for the ones they think will do the best job, and are conservative. That's how we got Allen West (black) Marco Rubio ( what is he Cuban?) Nikky Haley (Indian and a woman) Chris Christy (White)
 
Barbbtx said:
Liberals will vote for blacks because they are black. That's how we got Obama.
Conservative vote for the ones they think will do the best job, and are conservative. That's how we got Allen West (black) Marco Rubio ( what is he Cuban?) Nikky Haley (Indian and a woman) Chris Christy (White)
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Oh please - listen to yourself.

What - did the bounty of black republicans switch to being democrats to vote him in? LOL Did all the white liberals vote for McCain because he was a whitey?

It goes this way: some blacks voted for him becaues he was black.
Everyone else voted for him because he was the only solid democratic candidate - and I don't mean 'opaque' - but come on, Hillary? *shrug*
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Oh please - listen to yourself.

What - did the bounty of black republicans switch to being democrats to vote him in? LOL Did all the white liberals vote for McCain because he was a whitey?

It goes this way: some blacks voted for him becaues he was black.
Everyone else voted for him because he was the only solid democratic candidate - and I don't mean 'opaque' - but come on, Hillary? *shrug*
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Sorry, just getting irritated with all the racist crap.
Conservatives aren't anymore racists than any other group of people.
What is it called when people are called uncle toms, traiters, oreos etc. Isn't that racist? I've already heard more of that toward Cain from the left than I have heard racism from the tea party in 2+ yrs.
 
Barbbtx said:
Liberals will vote for blacks because they are black. That's how we got Obama.
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If that were true, why didn't Sharpton get nominated in 2004? Jackson in the 80s?
 
gekaap said:
Okay, if you want to draw some fair comparisons, start referencing how many black people have been elected to Congress by the Democrats, versus how many who have run. Then start also looking at how many black people get elected to state level offices. Then start looking at how many other minorities each side elects to office. Also worth looking at are how many black people are registered as Republicans, how many as Democrats. How many Hispanics? There's a whole lot of information that would have to be considered before coming to any reasonable conclusion. But first, I'd like to see you substantiate the first datum about only 6 black Republicans being elected to Congress in history.
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If you think that matters, you do the math; I don't have the numbers to every states' houses. I'm speaking about electing members of Congress since I do have those numbers available. As far as Democrats over that same period, the number is 102.

As far as right now ... there are 44 blacks in Congress and the White House ... 42 of them are Democrat.

And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Republicans/Conservatives and racist and Democrats/Liberals aren't, there are plenty of racist Democrats and Liberals. But unlike Republicans and Conservatives, there aren't enough to keep blacks out of office.
 
gekaap said:
If that were true, why didn't Sharpton get nominated in 2004? Jackson in the 80s?
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I guess even liberals aren't stupid enough to vote for those losers...no maybe it was the Rev. in front of their names. :)
 
Barbbtx said:
Isn't he black? I thought he was a senater or something at one time.
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You're right, he was. He was one of only six blacks Republicans elected since Reconstruction.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
If you think that matters, you do the math; I don't have the numbers to every states' houses. I'm speaking about electing members of Congress since I do have those numbers available.
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I'm afraid it doesn't work like that. You are the one who is claiming that there is some kind of problem as evidenced by "the numbers." But then you're only referencing a very small portion of the relevant data, and apparently an inaccurate portion at that. If you want to argue that the numbers support your argument, then you have the burden of proof. If you are going to invoke the numbers, then you must provide a fair and accurate presentation of the data. Otherwise, the very small sample of data you are offering is irrelevant.

As far as right now ... there are 44 blacks in Congress and the White House ... 42 of them are Democrat.
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That, by itself, means nothing. I could offer a statistic. There has been only one Catholic elected to the Presidency, and he was a Democrat. Should we now conclude that only Democrats will vote for a Catholic? Here's another one....Only one member of Congress is Native American, and he is a Republican. Should we now conclude that only Republicans will elect a Native American? Here's another one....Democrats have only elected TWO Middle Eastern descendant members of Congress in history. Should we conclude that Democrats are now largely racists? The historically independent state of Vermont has never elected a woman to Congress. Should we conclude that Vermontians and independents are sexist?

As you see, all of these small snippets of data are meaningless by themselves.
 
Barbbtx said:
I guess even liberals aren't stupid enough to vote for those losers...no maybe it was the Rev. in front of their names. :)
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Or, maybe they vote for the person and not the race.
 
gekaap said:
I'm afraid it doesn't work like that.
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You should be afraid -- that's exactly how it works. In response to someone pointing out the viability of Cain, I made the point that Republicans almost never elect blacks to the federal government. A fact that cannot be denied or hidden. You don't like that and so you tried, and failed, to expand the scope beyond the point I was making. I am under no obligation to alter the parameters of my point because you don't like the results.

It is what it is and Republicans have to live with their choices ... 111 years ... 26,000 election races ... 6 blacks elected by Republicans.

Currently, 44 blacks elected to Congress and the White House ... 2 are Republican.

Say what you will, I say that a very strong indicator that Cain will not even get the party's nomination.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
You should be afraid -- that's exactly how it works.
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I guess you need to take an introductory logic class.

In response to someone pointing out the viability of Cain, I made the point that Republicans almost never elect blacks to the federal government. A fact that cannot be denied or hidden.
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That's not the point you made at all. That was the evidence you cited for your actual point. You said that the GOP rank and file would never elect a black man President. That was your point, and your referencing Congressional history was in support of that point. But by drawing said references not only did you offer only a very small and non-telling sampling of the relevant data.
 
Sheik Yerbuti said:
You're right, he was. He was one of only six blacks Republicans elected since Reconstruction.
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:doh I looked for his name on your list twice to make sure. Thought I even looked for Watts. I either need new glasses or a new brain.
Anyway, no wonder he goes by JC :)
 
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