Trumps Plan Would Limit Disability Benefits For Older People

[redbeer]

There is literally nothing right wing about fascism:

Thread 'Mussolini and fascism are both left wing'

Nov 26, 2023

Mussolini was the father of fascism. Lets look at some facts about Mussolini:

Mussolini was an Atheist:

He believed that science had proven there was no god, and that the historical Jesus was ignorant and mad. He considered religion a disease of the psyche, and accused Christianity of promoting resignation and cowardice.

Mussolini was a student of Marx:

Mussolini was so familiar with Marxist literature that in his own writings he would not only quote from well-known Marxist works but also from the relatively obscure works.[26] During this period...

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Interesting reads here too:

There's No Denying the Socialist Roots of Fascism

The father of fascism himself literally said it. “Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form.”

fee.org

Fascism—an “Ism” of the Left, not the Right

A fascist White House? Get serious. By Arnold Beichman.

www.hoover.org

 

[roberthughey]

What is THIS thread about?
Title:

Trumps Plan Would Limit Disability Benefits For Older People​

But some people don't want to discuss what THIS thread is about, instead....................






Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”.

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Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”

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Were eligibility requirements for Disability Benefits For people 65 and older expanded under Biden?

Copilot's answer.

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Yes, the Biden administration proposed some changes that could make disability benefits more accessible for certain groups, though not all were specific to people aged 65 and older.

Here are the key updates:

Proposed Simplification for SSI Recipients​

• The Social Security Administration (SSA), under Biden, proposed ending benefit reductions for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) recipients who receive help with food from friends or family.
• Previously, if someone helped pay for food or groceries, the SSA could reduce the recipient’s monthly benefit by up to one-third.
• The new rule would no longer penalize food assistance, making it easier for disabled individuals—including those over 65—to receive support without losing benefits.

Social Security Fairness Act​

• Signed into law by Biden in January 2025, this act repealed two restrictive provisions: the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and the Government Pension Offset (GPO).
• These changes mostly benefit public sector retirees (e.g., teachers, firefighters) who had previously paid into non-Social Security pension systems.
• While not age-specific, older Americans affected by WEP and GPO may now qualify for higher monthly payments and retroactive benefits.

No Direct Expansion Based on Age Alone​

• There was no broad expansion of disability eligibility specifically for people aged 65 and older. In fact, prior proposals (under the Trump administration) considered removing age as a factor in disability determinations, which could have made it harder for older applicants to qualify.

If you're wondering whether these changes apply to you or someone you know, I can help break it down based on your situation. Want to explore that?

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Were eligibility requirements for Disability Benefits For people 65 and older expanded under Biden?

Copilot's answer.

---------------------------

Yes, the Biden administration proposed some changes that could make disability benefits more accessible for certain groups, though not all were specific to people aged 65 and older.

Here are the key updates:

Proposed Simplification for SSI Recipients​

• The Social Security Administration (SSA), under Biden, proposed ending benefit reductions for Supplemental Security Income (SSI) recipients who receive help with food from friends or family.
• Previously, if someone helped pay for food or groceries, the SSA could reduce the recipient’s monthly benefit by up to one-third.
• The new rule would no longer penalize food assistance, making it easier for disabled individuals—including those over 65—to receive support without losing benefits.

Social Security Fairness Act​

• Signed into law by Biden in January 2025, this act repealed two restrictive provisions: the Windfall Elimination Provision (WEP) and the Government Pension Offset (GPO).
• These changes mostly benefit public sector retirees (e.g., teachers, firefighters) who had previously paid into non-Social Security pension systems.
• While not age-specific, older Americans affected by WEP and GPO may now qualify for higher monthly payments and retroactive benefits.

No Direct Expansion Based on Age Alone​

• There was no broad expansion of disability eligibility specifically for people aged 65 and older. In fact, prior proposals (under the Trump administration) considered removing age as a factor in disability determinations, which could have made it harder for older applicants to qualify.

If you're wondering whether these changes apply to you or someone you know, I can help break it down based on your situation. Want to explore that?

Trumps Plan Would Limit Disability Benefits For Older People​

Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”.

Whataboutism: Behind the Deflecting Tactic in Arguments | FlaglerLive

Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”

flaglerlive.com

 

[roberthughey]

Trumps Plan Would Limit Disability Benefits For Older People​

Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”.

Whataboutism: Behind the Deflecting Tactic in Arguments | FlaglerLive

Whataboutism is an argumentative tactic where a person or group responds to an accusation or difficult question by deflection. Instead of addressing the point made, they counter it with “but what about X?”

flaglerlive.com

You're trolling.

I provided the example of Biden expanding disability benefits.

Ignoring facts is equivalent to lying.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

Interesting reads here too:

There's No Denying the Socialist Roots of Fascism

The father of fascism himself literally said it. “Fascism is a form of socialism, in fact, it is its most viable form.”

fee.org

Fascism—an “Ism” of the Left, not the Right

A fascist White House? Get serious. By Arnold Beichman.

www.hoover.org

https://www.keene.edu/academics/cchgs/resources/presentation-materials/characteristics-and-appeal-of-fascism/download/

https://osbcontent.s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/PC-00466.pdf

The three pillars of fascism - Public leadership Institute

Last week, President Biden declared that the “MAGA philosophy” is “semi-fascism,” and right-wing heads exploded. It seems they have no idea what fascism is. So, let’s talk about it. But first, remember we’re talking about fascism, not Nazism. The Nazis … Continue reading →

publicleadershipinstitute.org

The Warning Signs of Fascism: They’re Subtle Sometimes

For the most part this article is a summary of Britannica's Fascism article. That article is a detailed, interesting, and valuable read.

ambysoft.com

Fascism | Holocaust Encyclopedia

Fascism is a far-right authoritarian political philosophy. Learn about the history and principles of fascism and its implementation in Nazi Germany.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

The 12 Early Warning Signs of Fascism

Guess how many Trump has already checked off.

washingtonmonthly.com

10 Tactics of Fascism - Insight

Republicans are actively using fascist tactics to take over the United States.

insight.bibliotech.us

 

[VySky]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/10/05/disability-social-security-age-benefits/

They’re coming for social security, the haves are ****ing over the have nots once again. That bald project 2025 subhuman freak Vought (he’s the architect of this fascist privatizing everything theocratic bullshit) is behind this garbage.

This freakshow far right Christian sack of shit wants to take from the neediest and in his own words wants to traumatize people. And he thinks he’s a moral and good person because of his religious beliefs. A total cancer on humanity.

Paywalled

 

[VySky]

This is one of the most absurd things I have ever read. Fascism, left wing. Ahaha.

Yea, the left wing has enough problems as it is right?

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Fascism is neither right or left wing, it can be both

Defining fascism definitively is complicated, as scholars debate its precise meaning, history, and distinguishing characteristics. While there is no single consensus, experts generally describe it as a political ideology and mass movement characterized by extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, and the forcible suppression of opposition. Its defining features are centered on the concept of national rebirth from a state of perceived decay.

Definition of FASCISM

a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[slavablueberryjam]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/10/05/disability-social-security-age-benefits/

They’re coming for social security, the haves are ****ing over the have nots once again. That bald project 2025 subhuman freak Vought (he’s the architect of this fascist privatizing everything theocratic bullshit) is behind this garbage.

This freakshow far right Christian sack of shit wants to take from the neediest and in his own words wants to traumatize people. And he thinks he’s a moral and good person because of his religious beliefs. A total cancer on humanity.

What end goal is this for? The Christians in this nation are preaching to a choir that they will gladly impoverish and ruin to just save money that won't even be saved because this is America. You are only granted to be ****ed financially versus anything else. But, I do believe a lot of elderly would be better off being pushed into a cannon...

 

[BirdinHand]

Fascism is neither right or left wing, it can be both

Defining fascism definitively is complicated, as scholars debate its precise meaning, history, and distinguishing characteristics. While there is no single consensus, experts generally describe it as a political ideology and mass movement characterized by extreme nationalism, authoritarianism, and the forcible suppression of opposition. Its defining features are centered on the concept of national rebirth from a state of perceived decay.

Definition of FASCISM

a populist political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual, that is associated with a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, and that is characterized by severe… See the full definition

www.merriam-webster.com

Definitions of fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Fascism has never been “left”

Fascism has always been far right wing.

Those asserting otherwise completely ignore the entirety of political science and history. Just because fascists have sometimes borrowed some of their actions and rhetoric from left wing political ideologies does not make them “left”.

Fascists have ALWAYS been far right.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Fascism has never been “left”

Fascism has always been far right wing.

Those asserting otherwise completely ignore the entirety of political science and history. Just because fascists have sometimes borrowed some of their actions and rhetoric from left wing political ideologies does not make them “left”.

Fascists have ALWAYS been far right.

Nope - that has always been a false narrative.
Fascism is an ideology, making it difficult to truly define since it is variable and not a specific.
It can be any form of governance that is totalitarian and uses violence to diminish opposition.
That is neither left or right. It is both

 

[BirdinHand]

Nope - that has always been a false narrative.

No. It has not.

Fascism is an ideology, making it difficult to truly define since it is variable and not a specific.
It can be any form of governance that is totalitarian and uses violence to diminish opposition.
That is neither left or right. It is both

No. There is the entire social science field of political science. It disagrees with you.

I get that MAGAs don’t believe in education and educational institutions and norms, but you do not get to simply redefine political ideologies and where they fit on political spectrums to suit your tastes.

And fasicm =\= totalitarianism.

It’s almost as if MAGAs were more educated and informed, they’d know these things.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

No. It has not.

No. There is the entire social science field of political science. It disagrees with you.

I get that MAGAs don’t believe in education and educational institutions and norms, but you do not get to simply redefine political ideologies and where they fit on political spectrums to suit your tastes.

And fasicm =\= totalitarianism.

It’s almost as if MAGAs were more educated and informed, they’d know these things.

Nope.
There is an entire social science field of political science that disagrees with you.
I provided links to them, took me 5 seconds.

 

[Lethargic Aptitude]

No, he was a Nazi.

Rehistory is a stupid look. Stop derailing this thread.

 

[aociswundumho]

Thanks for letting us know that you're all for what Trump/Vaught are trying to do.

I'm against welfare statism in general. The government isn't your mommy. It's a vile institution predicated on force and violence.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

I'm against welfare statism in general. The government isn't your mommy. It's a vile institution predicated on force and violence.

It should go like this:
Responsibility of the welfare of human beings -

1) Self
2) Immediate family
3) Relatives, local charity
4) State government
5) Federal Government

Leftist:
1) Mom and/or Dad
2) Federal Government

 

[BirdinHand]

I'm against welfare statism in general. The government isn't your mommy. It's a vile institution predicated on force and violence.

It should go like this:
Responsibility of the welfare of human beings -

1) Self
2) Immediate family
3) Relatives, local charity
4) State government
5) Federal Government

Leftist:
1) Mom and/or Dad
2) Federal Government

Two posters that apparently believe “government” - especially democratic government - evolved out of nothing.

Or that rights and benefits given to people via government were not fought for by people.



The stupidity of some never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Hari Seldon]

Pro tip: learn what words mean before using them. Fascism is left wing, which is why fascist governments created large and expansive welfare states. Cutting disability benefits for older people is the opposite of what a fascist government would do:

Economy of fascist Italy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Pro tip fascism is right-wing.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology defined by a dictatorial leader, state control over all aspects of life, and the forcible suppression of opposition. The ideology rose to prominence in early 20th-century Europe with leaders like Benito Mussolini in Italy and Adolf Hitler in Germany.

Core tenets of fascism

 

[Peacenik]

Pro tip: learn what words mean before using them. Fascism is left wing, which is why fascist governments created large and expansive welfare states. Cutting disability benefits for older people is the opposite of what a fascist government would do:

Economy of fascist Italy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"learn what words mean before using them. " What a snotty way to say something wrong. It an argument can stand on it's own merit it does not need to be augmented with condescension.

Fascism is far right wing.

"Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology and movement that rose to prominence in early-20th-century Europe. Fascism is characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived interest of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy. Opposed to communism, democracy, liberalism, pluralism, and socialism, fascism is at the far right of the traditional left–right spectrum."

Fascism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Good posting tip: You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. Political debate is more functional when people show respect for others in making their case for their position. It is best to not even talk about the other person, not make any incorrect inferences about them. Instead, respond to what has been said.

 

[Athanasius68]

It’s your word on the topic versus the entirety of the study of political science that maps fascism to far right ideology.

But yeah, you know better than everyone else.

Regardless as to whether you believe fascism to be a right wing or left wing movement, the "pro-tip" was correct.
Fascism would not cut such benefits, but would rather increase them.

 

[Luce]

The pendulum will eventually swing back. When it does, there will be a lot to discuss.

Oh yes.

 

[Luce]

Regardless as to whether you believe fascism to be a right wing or left wing movement, the "pro-tip" was correct.
Fascism would not cut such benefits, but would rather increase them.

I see you're here to defend fascism.

 

[BirdinHand]

Regardless as to whether you believe fascism to be a right wing or left wing movement, the "pro-tip" was correct.

It wasn’t.

Fascism would not cut such benefits, but would rather increase them.

Carrying water for fascists isn’t a good look.

 

[Peacenik]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2025/10/05/disability-social-security-age-benefits/

The Trump administration is preparing a plan that would make it harder for older Americans to qualify for Social Security disability payments, part of an overhaul of the federal safety net for poor, older and disabled people that could result in hundreds of thousands of people losing benefits, according to people familiar with the plans....

It makes no sense that they wish to alienate so many millions of Americans. This is a good way to turn people away from maga. They seem to have this attitude that they have brain-washed the cult by exploiting their hatred and resentment of various stereotypes and government, so they can freely take advantage of them and not lose them. We shall see how that plays out. People are losing faith in Trump.

 

[Peacenik]

So you've warped nationalism as well as fascism so it can all make sense in your head? Ok. So long as you know the rest of us use these words differently.

The right likes to redefine things they cannot accept. Look what they did to the word 'woke.' Woke is a good thing, a social awareness, particularly of racial issues.

The right wants to pretend if government does anything to try to mitigate the effects of racism or discrimination against people of different sexual persuasions it's a bad thing. The right wants to ignore racism or pretend it doesn't even exist. Most of the time the racists are on the right, so part of maga means giving racism a big fat free pass. The maga cult is full of racists. Trump is a racist.