Trump's deportation push gets boost from border state with massive plot of land

[SCrider]

Lots of people still think 'illegal immigration's means Jose wading across the river with his clothes bundled on his head. Most illegal immigrants cross the border legally.
Tech, too, is full of illegal immigrants. They go to school on student visas, graduate and then there's job fairs and recruiting drives run by people who don't care much about government paperwork.

100%.

 

[Cosmo]

I ignored your response because it’s ridiculous. You want to deport millions of people so that we can allow millions of people back into the country.

We want different people in this country. Ones that follow laws and will get set up appropriately to pay taxes. Ones that we can vet first.

My solution is much better. We already have “foreigners who want to come here” present in the country. We just have to make their presence legal and temporary.
Now that I have taught you a bit about what a logical solution might be you are better informed. Don’t waste your time concocting unworkable ideas that are never going to happen. It’s a waste of your time and mine.

If the foreigners are deemed particularly useful, we can make exceptions to make them legal.

 

[jaypatriot]

It is not being nastily sarcastic to point out that a lot of right wingers are eagerly awaiting the round up.

I'm totally moderate in believing that there was a very good piece of legislation that would have addressed this problem, and was killed at Trump's insistence because he knew this base would like this red meat version. That bipartisan bill would have been a very organized start to an ongoing successful operation. Instead we will see the military sent to our streets.....that is in no way moderate.

I am not buying into your gloom and doom scenarios about the incoming Administration.
And we don't know how that rejected immigration bill would have worked. But it's a very convenient way to explain, after the three years, how immigration debacle never was never resolved while Biden was in office.
Whenever something was never addressed during Biden's term it's always Trump's fault. And that is the fallback excuse for Liberals, Progressives, and yes, sometimes Moderates.

 

[Ethel2]

We want different people in this country. Ones that follow laws and will get set up appropriately to pay taxes. Ones that we can vet first.

If the foreigners are deemed particularly useful, we can make exceptions to make them legal.

I agree with your last paragraph. If the illegals here are not needed by our country they should be deported along with anyone who has a criminal record, regardless of whether they are needed or not. I suspect most foreigners are employed at a job, and most likely it’s a job that Americans aren’t going to do for the wages offered. But you can’t just deport a million people-even if it’s over several years-without a reasonable and logical plan to account for filling the jobs the have now.

 

[Ethel2]

Well that is simple if you are a citizen you go to jail or prison when you commit crimes. An immigrant can lose immigrant status and be no longer be welcome in this country after serving their sentence. That is a consequence of breaking our laws.

We welcome millions of people into our country with the premise that you will become law abiding citizens. Once you have proven you are not going to be a law abiding citizen you should be removed from this country making way for law abiding people waiting patently to come to this country.

Sneaking into this country and claiming asylum after being caught should not jump you to the front of the line ahead of law abiding people waiting years to legally enter this country. A lot of the law abiding people waiting to enter legally are also from countries that are as bad or worse than the ones these border jumpers are coming from. I would put the people coming in legally ahead of the ones sneaking in.

With all the border crossings where these people can walk up and start the process legally the fact they prefer to sneak in clearly shows what kind of people they are. I have crossed back and forth across the border more times than I can count. I never recall anything that I thought should be feared about crossing the border. Of course when you are not committing a crime or ding anything illegal there is little to nothing to fear.

Sure
Sounds great
Let’s deport a million people at a cost of several hundred billion dollars and take our time vetting all the new applicants while the crops the were harvesting rot in the fields and restaurants and hotels have to close because workers can’t be found.
Sounds reasonable to me
Try harder
On the other hand don’t bother. Your next idea is likely to be even more unrealistic.

 

[CharisRose]

Let's not pretend Republicans were engaging in mass protest against the action. Or that the Southern Strategy never existed.

Yet another example of why I say this often: the core difference between a liberal and a conservative is empathy. You think the important distinction is a piece of paper. I think it's wrong to treat human beings this way.



Bigoted shit. Immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than natural-born Americans.


In your bigoted opinion, yes.

You follow with discussions of Roosevelts actions and the response to it, but you are exhibiting the same response as Americans did in WW2. A small number of illegal immigrants commit violent crimes, and you are using this to justify treating millions of people horribly, the vast majority of which have done nothing other than try to make a better life for themselves in America.

I believe concentration camps are always wrong. You believe they are justifiable.

1. I’m not the one who brought up the historic Japanese American Citizens who were mistreated by a Democrat President. Please provide historical info concerning Republicans. TIA.

Empathy - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

Use empathy if you're looking for a noun meaning "the ability to identify with another's feelings."

www.vocabulary.com

Empathy ~ 1. noun “understanding and entering into another's feelings”

2. So any illegal who does not have a piece of paper is it appropriate to treat that human being with empathy who just happens to be a rapist and murderer?
In favor over the victims and their families who should be the ones who actually deserve our empathy?

Bigoted - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

When people act in a bigoted way, they believe that their beliefs, culture, or background is superior to others. The Civil Rights Movement fought against the bigoted behavior of whites against blacks.

www.vocabulary.com

Bigoted 1. adjective ~ “blindly and obstinately attached to some creed or opinion and intolerant toward others”

3. Please Provide Proof that statement is based on fact. TIA
Now, if that is a fact.
How, does that make any sense based on empathy for the not papered illegal rapists & murderers that would certainly add to the count if we actually already have natural-born Americans committing those crimes. Wouldn’t it be a good idea to keep crime numbers down in our Country?
Using empathy for Americans who are not criminals?

4. Thanks for that personal opinion.

5. Yes, I did. I did not. American Japanese Citizens are far different than Criminals. They committed no crime.

Criminal - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

A criminal is someone who breaks the law. If you're a murderer, thief, or tax cheat, you're a criminal.

www.vocabulary.com

Criminal 1. noun ~ “someone who has committed a crime or has been legally convicted of a crime”

Rape & Murder are horrible crimes! Both American Citizens Criminals and un-papered Criminals can be tried in a Court of Law.
Using tax-payer money. If, found guilty. They will be locked in prisons for their crimes.
Now, any un-papered human being who is actually a Criminal they can voluntarily leave America by sneaking back over the border like they did to enter our Country. Nobody is going to stop them. They do have a choice unlike their victims that they raped & murder without any empathy whatsoever for their victims or their families.

Or they can experience deportation based only on American Deportation Law. During a detention for deportation.

Detention - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

Detention is a word for confinement or imprisonment, usually for a short time. It's also a punishment where children must stay after school.

www.vocabulary.com

Deportation - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

Deportation is the act of throwing a foreigner out of a country, whether they are a resident or an intruder.

www.vocabulary.com

Detention 1. noun ~ “a state of being confined (usually for a short time)”
Deportation 1. noun ~ “the expulsion of a non-citizen from a country”

6. I do not believe in concentration camps. They are not justifiable.
Since I know the difference between a concentration camp & American Deportation Law via detention for deportation.
Especially concerning real criminals that is not based on bigotry.

 

[dobieg]

He is correct.

It will be a concentration camp. Just the type of thing the reich-wing wants.

This place has become a clown show.

 

[dobieg]

Yeah....doesn't it sound WONDERFUL that we are going to deport all those mean illegals? Only problem is, that has consequences. Those people are for the most part here to work and better themselves and every job they leave is a job that American have to fill-leaving them vacant means employers will need to attract domestic workers by offering higher wages.....and here we go with inflation again!

Uh huh.

63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs​

Compared to 35% of native households​

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63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs

In 2014, 63% of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.

cis.org

 

[Ethel2]

1. I’m not the one who brought up the historic Japanese American Citizens who were mistreated by a Democrat President. Please provide historical info concerning Republicans. TIA.

Empathy - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

Use empathy if you're looking for a noun meaning "the ability to identify with another's feelings."

www.vocabulary.com

Empathy ~ 1. noun “understanding and entering into another's feelings”

2. So any illegal who does not have a piece of paper is it appropriate to treat that human being with empathy who just happens to be a rapist and murderer?
In favor over the victims and their families who should be the ones who actually deserve our empathy?

Bigoted - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

When people act in a bigoted way, they believe that their beliefs, culture, or background is superior to others. The Civil Rights Movement fought against the bigoted behavior of whites against blacks.

www.vocabulary.com

Bigoted 1. adjective ~ “blindly and obstinately attached to some creed or opinion and intolerant toward others”

3. Please Provide Proof that statement is based on fact. TIA
Now, if that is a fact.
How, does that make any sense based on empathy for the not papered illegal rapists & murderers that would certainly add to the count if we actually already have natural-born Americans committing those crimes. Wouldn’t it be a good idea to keep crime numbers down in our Country?
Using empathy for Americans who are not criminals?

4. Thanks for that personal opinion.

5. Yes, I did. I did not. American Japanese Citizens are far different than Criminals. They committed no crime.

Criminal - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

A criminal is someone who breaks the law. If you're a murderer, thief, or tax cheat, you're a criminal.

www.vocabulary.com

Criminal 1. noun ~ “someone who has committed a crime or has been legally convicted of a crime”

Rape & Murder are horrible crimes! Both American Citizens Criminals and un-papered Criminals can be tried in a Court of Law.
Using tax-payer money. If, found guilty. They will be locked in prisons for their crimes.
Now, any un-papered human being who is actually a Criminal they can voluntarily leave America by sneaking back over the border like they did to enter our Country. Nobody is going to stop them. They do have a choice unlike their victims that they raped & murder without any empathy whatsoever for their victims or their families.

Or they can experience deportation based only on American Deportation Law. During a detention for deportation.

Detention - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

Detention is a word for confinement or imprisonment, usually for a short time. It's also a punishment where children must stay after school.

www.vocabulary.com

Deportation - Definition, Meaning & Synonyms

Deportation is the act of throwing a foreigner out of a country, whether they are a resident or an intruder.

www.vocabulary.com

Detention 1. noun ~ “a state of being confined (usually for a short time)”
Deportation 1. noun ~ “the expulsion of a non-citizen from a country”

6. I do not believe in concentration camps. They are not justifiable.
Since I know the difference between a concentration camp & American Deportation Law via detention for deportation.
Especially concerning real criminals that is not based on bigotry.

“So any illegal who does not have a piece of paper is it appropriate to treat that human being with empathy who just happens to be a rapist and murderer?
In favor over the victims and their families who should be the ones who actually deserve our empathy?“

Sure! Why not! Your hero the felon raped Ms E Jean Carroll! That’s what the judge in the case called it.
I have no sympathy for rapists and murderers whether they are here legally or not. If the jackass had raped someone close to you you wouldn’t love him anymore either.
What MAGATS don’t understand is that immigrants have a LOWER crime rate than the general population, though ANYONE can be a rapist or a murderer or a libeler or a fraudster as the jackass has proved.

 

[Along Came Jones]

How would that stuff be used? ICE shows up at a Mexican border crossing with a busload of undocumented 'Mexicans'. How do they prove the nationalities?

On second thought, forget it.
Done with you.

Depends on what documentation Mexico requires for "repatriation" as specified in various Repatriation Arrangements. Homeland Security at Updated U.S.-Mexico Local Repatriation Arrangements lists nine of them.

 

[Ethel2]

Uh huh.

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63% of Non-Citizen Households Access Welfare Programs

In 2014, 63% of households headed by a non-citizen reported that they used at least one welfare program, compared to 35 percent of native-headed households.

cis.org

Did you have a point there somewhere?
These people work dirt cheap doing work that needs to be done but that Americans won’t do. Therefore they need access to additional resources to support themselves while they work to keep even MAGATS living the way they’re use to.

 

[CharisRose]

do you want your neighbors deported? did you not write about the good people in your apartment who are not documented?

I do not want my neighbors deported. They are not criminals. Yes ~ They are good people.
I have no problem with the current Biden/Harris criminals (rapist & murderers) their administration allowed in our Country to be deported.

 

[Cosmo]

I agree with your last paragraph. If the illegals here are not needed by our country they should be deported along with anyone who has a criminal record, regardless of whether they are needed or not. I suspect most foreigners are employed at a job, and most likely it’s a job that Americans aren’t going to do for the wages offered. But you can’t just deport a million people-even if it’s over several years-without a reasonable and logical plan to account for filling the jobs the have now.

It's a long-term plan. Keep adding to the wall and other border structures to reduce new illegal invaders pouring in, go after the worst invader offenders and kick them out, and then increase quotas for skilled workers from developed countries to bring them in instead of the illegals. Then start looking at lesser criminals. Etc...

 

[Grand Mal]

Depends on what documentation Mexico requires for "repatriation" as specified in various Repatriation Arrangements. Homeland Security at Updated U.S.-Mexico Local Repatriation Arrangements lists nine of them.

Yeah, I don't want to download PDF's on this phone but I'm guessing that 'undocumented' means, well, undocumented.

 

[Ethel2]

It's a long-term plan. Keep adding to the wall and other border structures to reduce new illegal invaders pouring in, go after the worst invader offenders and kick them out, and then increase quotas for skilled workers from developed countries to bring them in instead of the illegals. Then start looking at lesser criminals. Etc...

Now we’re getting somewhere reasonable. Criminals: automatic deportation while forfeiting the right to apply for work permits or asylum in the future. Repeat offenders: prison. Same with those entering illegally once the new program is up and running. I don’t think we need a wall for this: you simply require employers to provide documentation that their employees are here legally or face hefty fines. The word will get out: don’t come here illegally or you’ll be deported on sight. We would need a central easy to use database for employers to use to verify that employees are here legally. Yes, this will take time.
These people are generally not skilled workers. They are for the most part poorly educated folks who have no marketable skills besides the ability to bust their asses working so that you and I can maintain our standard of living.
Now that we have solved the border problem we can move on to fixing the impending insolvency of the entitlements.

 

[JMR]

Lots of people still think 'illegal immigration's means Jose wading across the river with his clothes bundled on his head. Most illegal immigrants cross the border legally.
Tech, too, is full of illegal immigrants. They go to school on student visas, graduate and then there's job fairs and recruiting drives run by people who don't care much about government paperwork.

IT is overrun with cheap labor from recipients of F-1 visas to study here (mainly from India). They share small living quarters and send money to family back home. They are hired at salaries that American citizens cannot support themselves on. Businesses seem to like this arrangement.

 

[SCrider]

I do not want my neighbors deported. They are not criminals. Yes ~ They are good people.
I have no problem with the current Biden/Harris criminals (rapist & murderers) their administration allowed in our Country to be deported.

You voted for them to be deported.
In you view people you know are ok but abstract people are criminals.

 

[JMR]

I am not buying into your gloom and doom scenarios about the incoming Administration.
And we don't know how that rejected immigration bill would have worked. But it's a very convenient way to explain, after the three years, how immigration debacle never was never resolved while Biden was in office.
Whenever something was never addressed during Biden's term it's always Trump's fault. And that is the fallback excuse for Liberals, Progressives, and yes, sometimes Moderates.

My gloom and doom? Trump has announced he likes the option of declaring a National Emergency and sending the military into cities to round up immigrants.

Do you just blithely accept Trump's instructing his minions to sabotage a bipartisan bill because he wanted the issue to remain a red hot button to push with his base? There's no way out of admitting that the failure of the bill to pass WAS Trump's fault.
And it's inexcusable. Only a true Trumper would disagree with that.

 

[Cosmo]

Now we’re getting somewhere reasonable. Criminals: automatic deportation while forfeiting the right to apply for work permits or asylum in the future. Repeat offenders: prison. Same with those entering illegally once the new program is up and running. I don’t think we need a wall for this: you simply require employers to provide documentation that their employees are here legally or face hefty fines.

Employers already have to report wages on W-2s, which cannot be filed with SSNs, which illegals can't get. What's another law gonna do? Illegals are just gonna get cash. This will do nothing. How about the US federal government actually defend the country?

The word will get out: don’t come here illegally or you’ll be deported on sight. We would need a central easy to use database for employers to use to verify that employees are here legally. Yes, this will take time.
These people are generally not skilled workers. They are for the most part poorly educated folks who have no marketable skills besides the ability to bust their asses working so that you and I can maintain our standard of living.
Now that we have solved the border problem we can move on to fixing the impending insolvency of the entitlements.

 

[CaughtInThe]

When prices go up due to lack of cheap labor and we start seeing videos of kids in cages that will really help trump.

And MAGA.

And Christians.

 

[CharisRose]

You voted for them to be deported.
In you view people you know are ok but abstract people are criminals.

Thanks for that personal opinion of me.

 

[Ethel2]

Employers already have to report wages on W-2s, which cannot be filed with SSNs, which illegals can't get. What's another law gonna do? Illegals are just gonna get cash. This will do nothing. How about the US federal government actually defend the country?

Who’s attacking the country?
Don’t bother with “it’s the illegal aliens”. They’re here for work, not to shoot US citizens.
The Feds would have to enforce these new laws with spot raids on workplaces. If you take away the incentive for people to cross illegally the numbers will plummet. Make the fines on employers high enough and they won’t want to mess with them.
The take home point is that it’s a waste of time and money to try to deport all those here illegally then readmit them. Keep the ones we need and deport the rest.

 

[Cosmo]

When prices go up due to lack of cheap labor and we start seeing videos of kids in cages

that will really help trump.

And MAGA.

And Christians.

 

[PIPEWRENCH]

Sure
Sounds great
Let’s deport a million people at a cost of several hundred billion dollars and take our time vetting all the new applicants while the crops the were harvesting rot in the fields and restaurants and hotels have to close because workers can’t be found.
Sounds reasonable to me
Try harder
On the other hand don’t bother. Your next idea is likely to be even more unrealistic.

Deporting all the criminals Biden and Harris let in to the country will take decades to fix. They already said they would start with the worst offenders being released from our prisons and jails along with those pending trial for outstanding crimes.

If the claims are true that very few illegals ever commit crimes this should be done and over with pretty quick. I am betting that they never even get all the criminals taken care of in 4 years. But once these criminals realize we are coming for them a lot of them may leave for easier prey in other countries. Hopefully anyway.

The first step is stop the bleeding and secure our borders only letting law abiding people in. I would love to add a tax on everyone coming across the border just like we do with toll roads and bridges all across this country. It is time the people crossing the border pay for our securing the border. Use that money to secure the border, process legal immigrants, issue work visas, and prosecute those trying to enter illegally. Anyone caught not paying taxes is no longer issued a visa and no longer allowed into the country. Fine the companies as well and use that money to stop the criminal activity.

It is already costing the tax payers billions. It is time to switch the cost on to the people creating the problem.

 

[Cosmo]

Who’s attacking the country?
Don’t bother with “it’s the illegal aliens”. They’re here for work, not to shoot US citizens.

Poor excuse to not have the US government protect the border.

The Feds would have to enforce these new laws with spot raids on workplaces. If you take away the incentive for people to cross illegally the numbers will plummet. Make the fines on employers high enough and they won’t want to mess with them.
The take home point is that it’s a waste of time and money to try to deport all those here illegally then readmit them. Keep the ones we need and deport the rest.

Was happening already under Trump. https://www.mississippifreepress.or...-are-still-piecing-their-lives-back-together/

Effective or not, it's not a replacement for protecting the border.