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Trump Withdraws U.S. From ‘One-Sided’ Iran Nuclear Deal

MateoMtnClimber said:
But no one cares what you think. The agreement is clear. You want it to read differently. So does the president. So he walked away. You're trying to back into a reason to quit the agreement that never existed by virtue of a condition of the agreement that never existed.
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I have said from the beginning the agreement was without value, and leaving it is without consequence. Your own attempts to claim value for it have only highlighted its worthlessness: no credible inspections. I agree the agreement is clear; that doesn't matter.
 
Jack Hays said:
I have said from the beginning the agreement was without value, and leaving it is without consequence. Your own attempts to claim value for it have only highlighted its worthlessness: no credible inspections. I agree the agreement is clear; that doesn't matter.
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Iran likes it a lot, after all, they effectively wrote it.
 
Fearandloathing said:
Reagan was gay.

John Wayne was his lover.

Those are 'facts' like all the crap Trumpies throw out
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I thought Alfred Bloomingdale was Reagan's gay lover.
Hang on a sec (dialing Al Goldstein)

Hello, Al? Do you still have that Vickie Morgan sex tape, the one with Ronnie Ray-Gun in it?

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Jack Hays said:
The Iranians never really traded anything away. That's the point.
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Time.

Up to 15 years.

Iran accepted the terms and conditions of an agreement negotiated by the UN P5+1 members of the SC, led by the United States. Iran surrendered a significant measure of its sovereignty to the P5+1 countries in the matter of nuclear energy and military strength and power, under the terms insisted by the United States.

So people who have an inappropriate and inordinate respect for Iran the 3000+ year old empire that continually marched against Europe might be on the wrong side in this. It is not in the interests of the United States to support Iran hard liners and the hard liners in the United States who reside in the WH these days. We've had too many intelligence failures over the past 30 years concerning Iran for it to be a matter of well intentioned incompetence or simple bungling. Dubious intelligence officers who have consistently harmed the United States over the past 30 years are neither stupid nor inept. Nor are they innocent.
 
Jack Hays said:
I have said from the beginning the agreement was without value, and leaving it is without consequence. Your own attempts to claim value for it have only highlighted its worthlessness: no credible inspections. I agree the agreement is clear; that doesn't matter.
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Your definition of "credible" runs counter to the IAEA, the signatories to the JCPOA, and the entire international community. In case I'm being unclear, your opinion is unsubstantiated **** and doesn't matter.
 
Tangmo said:
Time.

Up to 15 years.

Iran accepted the terms and conditions of an agreement negotiated by the UN P5+1 members of the SC, led by the United States. Iran surrendered a significant measure of its sovereignty to the P5+1 countries in the matter of nuclear energy and military strength and power, under the terms insisted by the United States.

So people who have an inappropriate and inordinate respect for Iran the 3000+ year old empire that continually marched against Europe might be on the wrong side in this. It is not in the interests of the United States to support Iran hard liners and the hard liners in the United States who reside in the WH these days. We've had too many intelligence failures over the past 30 years concerning Iran for it to be a matter of well intentioned incompetence or simple bungling. Dubious intelligence officers who have consistently harmed the United States over the past 30 years are neither stupid nor inept. Nor are they innocent.
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None of that is credible without credible inspections, which were not included.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Your definition of "credible" runs counter to the IAEA, the signatories to the JCPOA, and the entire international community. In case I'm being unclear, your opinion is unsubstantiated **** and doesn't matter.
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The parties you named agreed to accept a fiction because they were desperate for something they could call an agreement. Reminds me of Arthur Koestler's Darkness at Noon.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
What a completely psychotic post. The president lies. Every time he talks. His mindless supporters compare it to guessing the number of marbles in a bag. What a frightening time for the country.
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Sounds like a chronic case of TDS. Enjoy your weekend.

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ObamacareFail said:
No crying here. I just call them as I see them. When I modified my question to basically ask which is worse, Trump or Hillary, you did not give an intellectually honest answer. Your answer suggests there is moral equivalency between the two. That is not the case and deep down you know it. One is much worse then the other and should be in prison.

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Which is worse - a garbage can that smells like dead fish, or a garbage can that smells like cat pee? Guess what the answer is? Neither. They're both disgustingly smelly garbage cans.

Why you keep asking this stupid question is beyond me. I answered it. The answer is "I don't prefer either. I wouldn't vote for either. I didn't vote for either. They are both garbage."

There is a moral equivalency between Trump and Hillary Clinton. They are equally immoral, dishonest, and repulsive.

As far as prison, if you want her put in prison (I assume it's her, because we all know how fond you are of him), then take that argument to him. He promised you he was going to appoint a special investigator. He promised you he was going to have her put in prison. He has done neither - and he never will. He lied to you. Take your beef up with Trump.
 
Athanasius68 said:
Give it time. Somebody wrote a reminder about Reagan walking away in Rekyjavik. There was no plan b.
But it all worked out.
Same will be true here.
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You actually offended every fiber of my being by attempting to draw a parallel between a great man like Ronald Reagan and that vile man who is sullying the office that Reagan once held. Do it to someone else.
 
tres borrachos said:
Which is worse - a garbage can that smells like dead fish, or a garbage can that smells like cat pee? Guess what the answer is? Neither. They're both disgustingly smelly garbage cans.

Why you keep asking this stupid question is beyond me. I answered it. The answer is "I don't prefer either. I wouldn't vote for either. I didn't vote for either. They are both garbage."

There is a moral equivalency between Trump and Hillary Clinton. They are equally immoral, dishonest, and repulsive.

As far as prison, if you want her put in prison (I assume it's her, because we all know how fond you are of him), then take that argument to him. He promised you he was going to appoint a special investigator. He promised you he was going to have her put in prison. He has done neither - and he never will. He lied to you. Take your beef up with Trump.
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Yeah, it was kind of weird that he called her "Crooked Hillary" and vowed to have his AG put her in prison only to later say he didn't want to put her and her family through any more because they were nice people.
 
Dittohead not! said:
Trump ended the US involvement in the Iran nuclear deal that has kept Iran from pursuing nuclear weapons, yet it's the Europeans who are "not bright enough to even see Iranian nukes as a major threat."

Does that actually make sense in your world?
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It does if you actually apply critical thinking on the issue. The euros did not sign on to the deal because they thought it would stop the Iranian nuclear program... and it did not. The euros only saw it as an opportunity to ease sanctions for the sake of profitable trade with Iran. Europe has never been smart on conflict issues, as two world wars attest to.

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tres borrachos said:
You actually offended every fiber of my being by attempting to draw a parallel between a great man like Ronald Reagan and that vile man who is sullying the office that Reagan once held. Do it to someone else.
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The response from his critics after Reagan walked out was exactly the same.
And you know it.
 
MateoMtnClimber said:
Indeed, he should be in prison. Also, it's been about a year and a half. Feel free to move on from the Clinton obsession whenever you're ready.
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You do realize that Hillary is a "she", right? It's not Trump that had been involved in scandals since the 1990s. It is Hillary that should be in prison.

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ElChupacabra said:
Well now there's nothing to check what they're up to, so if the JCPOA was insanely stupid complete lack of transparency is what exactly?
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As there was no access to their military bases, we really did not have much of anything to check up on anyway....and the US was not given access to anything at all.

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