Trump vs Hillary

[JMR]

I voted for Hillary Clinton because she was the only candidate actually qualified to be president. My opinion was reinforced by the disgraceful and inept presidency of Donald Trump.

 

[Colin Norris]

I voted for Trump as late in the campaign I became convinced that he would follow through on the populist conservative campaign promises he ran on. And Hillary Von Pant Suit is Satan's bride.

How wrong were you.
Even as a Christian you can't stop telling lies about Hilary.

 

[iguanaman]

I voted for Trump as late in the campaign I became convinced that he would follow through on the populist conservative campaign promises he ran on. And Hillary Von Pant Suit is Satan's bride.

And boy were you wrong about it all. Confession is a great way to purge. Congrats.

 

[iguanaman]

How wrong were you.
Even as a Christian you can't stop telling lies about Hilary.

There are no Christians left in the cult. They now worship the Golden Calf.

 

[Phys251]

As someone who does not take kindly to ignorant populist rhetoric, I voted for HRC without second-guessing myself. Ever.

 

[slick]

She did something illegal. No matter how you attempt to spend it, sending and receiving classified government emails on a private unsecured email server is a crime. Even the FBI turd James Comey pointed that out and just said he would not seek prosecution. And Hillary has been into illegal acts going all the way back to her philandering husbands stints as Attorney General and Governor of Arkansas. As for writing a book. Hillary did no such thing. What she did do was interview with a ghost author who wrote the book for her. She did not type or write a single verse. Many politicians and other celebrities do the same thing, though most of them at least give the ghost author half the credit.

Hillary is the only person that could make Biden look like an honest man. On the other hand She was cunning enough to know you don't brag about your crimes. Joe wasn't.

 

[RedAkston]

Show me links to your posts attacking the Republicans who disparaged the capitol police from 1/6 wo testified, who disparaged the service members and officials who testified against trump in his impeachments. The calling of the four killed at Benghazi assholes was wrong, but you have lost any right to be the one to say so, unless you can show some consistency.

Settle down there Bernie Bro. I'm glad you agree that calling those killed in the Benghazi attack assholes is wrong. That shows that you're not a complete callous hack. But you're trying to compare apples to a carburetor on a 1965 Plymouth here.

I'm not a Republican so the idea that because I called out a poster for constantly disparaging service members and saying the death of an Ambassador and 3 service members is no big deal, it doesn't make me a Republican, it makes me a decent human being who appreciates the sacrifice those who serve our country make. You don't think that standing up for those who serve is only a Republican trait do you?

I'm not here to defend what some Republicans say or do but I'll call out bullshit when I see it. What AA said was bullshit and I called her out on it. I have every right to do that just as you have every right to do the same as well.

The 1/6 commission is a partisan witch hunt and if the shoe were on the other foot I would assume you would say the same thing, as would I. I don't have a "side" here because there are plenty of people on both sides that are dead wrong. The Capitol police who testified should not have been "attacked" in fact they shouldn't have been physically attacked on 1/6. I've already denounced the actions on 1/6 on more than one occasion so feel free to do your own research on that matter.

 

[Linuxcooldude]

Colin Powell, secretary of state under GW Bush, also used a private email server while serving in that post, but not s single peep out of the GOP about that. Only Hillary should have been held accountable, simply because she didn't have an R behind her name. That's pathetic.

Keeping a private email server isn't illegal for politicians. Keeping confidential material on it is illegal. Which Hillary did in spades.

 

[jotathought]

Who did you vote in 2016 and why?

I voted against the worst candidate -- the exact strategy Democrats used in 2020, with similar outcomes: a shitty president.

 

[Craig234]

Settle down there Bernie Bro. I'm glad you agree that calling those killed in the Benghazi attack assholes is wrong. That shows that you're not a complete callous hack. But you're trying to compare apples to a carburetor on a 1965 Plymouth here.

I'm not a Republican so the idea that because I called out a poster for constantly disparaging service members and saying the death of an Ambassador and 3 service members is no big deal, it doesn't make me a Republican, it makes me a decent human being who appreciates the sacrifice those who serve our country make. You don't think that standing up for those who serve is only a Republican trait do you?

I'm not here to defend what some Republicans say or do but I'll call out bullshit when I see it. What AA said was bullshit and I called her out on it. I have every right to do that just as you have every right to do the same as well.

The 1/6 commission is a partisan witch hunt and if the shoe were on the other foot I would assume you would say the same thing, as would I. I don't have a "side" here because there are plenty of people on both sides that are dead wrong. The Capitol police who testified should not have been "attacked" in fact they shouldn't have been physically attacked on 1/6. I've already denounced the actions on 1/6 on more than one occasion so feel free to do your own research on that matter.

Settle down there, right-wing reading challenged guy.

Let's count up the score for your responses.

I agreed with criticizing the 'assholes' comment, and did not criticize you for it nor say that indicated you are a Republican - but you would like to, and largely did, spend all day on those straw men.

The question was, did you equally criticize those who similarly attacked the capitol police who testified, or the service members and other officials who testified in the impeachment trials? You made a false partisan attack on the 1/6 investigation, but did NOT criticize the attacks on the officers until you meekly said it's wrong just now; and you completely dodged the impeachment witnesses.

We have our answer about you.

 

[RedAkston]

Settle down there, right-wing reading challenged guy.

Let's count up the score for your responses.

I agreed with criticizing the 'assholes' comment, and did not criticize you for it nor say that indicated you are a Republican - but you would like to, and largely did, spend all day on those straw men.

The question was, did you equally criticize those who similarly attacked the capitol police who testified, or the service members and other officials who testified in the impeachment trials? You made a false partisan attack on the 1/6 investigation, but did NOT criticize the attacks on the officers until you meekly said it's wrong just now; and you completely dodged the impeachment witnesses.

We have our answer about you.

You're fishing and you don't have a pole or any bait.

Have a good evening!

 

[Craig234]

I voted against the worst candidate -- the exact strategy Democrats used in 2020, with similar outcomes: a shitty president.

Biden is not remotely a shitty president. He's the best since at least Carter, so far, and since LBJ if you leave out Vietnam. You might need to go to JFK if you include Vietnam.

 

[Craig234]

You're fishing and you don't have a pole or any bait.

Have a good evening!

Spewing gibberish is all you have there.

Ya, have a good evening.

 

[Craig234]

I voted for Hillary Clinton because she was the only candidate actually qualified to be president. My opinion was reinforced by the disgraceful and inept presidency of Donald Trump.

I would add, that while she was far too tied to corruption, to protecting wealthy donors over the American people, and posed a very real risk to injustice and war globally, she had the advantages you mention (which I don't give that much weight to) and she had a basic alignment with the Democratic Party's better/less bad policies that are at least more aligned with the American people. She would have been far better than trump. Supreme Court just for one.

 

[RedAkston]

Biden is not remotely a shitty president. He's the best since at least Carter, so far, and since LBJ if you leave out Vietnam. You might need to go to JFK if you include Vietnam.

LMAO, Carter is the 2nd worst President in our history with Wilson being the worst. No wonder you have the views you do. You're living in upside down world.

 

[SoCal]

...And that’s the bit that sticks out to me. The last two elections remind us how precarious democracy is. Trump lost the popular vote in 2016 by 3 million yet win the election by 70,000 votes in a key districts. Biden won the popular vote by over 7 million in 2020 yet only won the election by the same margin, maybe less - a few tens of thousands here and there.

That should make us very fearful for the future of democracy. It’s a very good chance that suppression and gerrymandering coupled with the usual mid term enthusiasm gap will let the GOP retake congress. If they can do that they can take the Whitehouse in 2024 or 2028, without the popular vote, and then it will be a one-party state for good. They will never need to actually win an election again...

Beyond voter suppression the Trumpists are replacing key officials overseeing the vote count/certification process. This will guarantee their Electoral College wins for decades. Add the Democrats refusal to kill the Jim Crow filibuster and speak with one voice and winning the popular vote is meaningless. Republicans can never let the majority of Americans choose their country's leader, from now on they can't risk democracy raising its ugly head.

I believe conservatives have no qualms about doing anything it takes to maintain their power. Even if the Democrats win a presidential election, from now until the south rises again, does anyone actually think the Trumpists will believe it's a free and fair election?...

 

[Stealers Wheel]

LMAO, Carter is the 2nd worst President in our history with Wilson being the worst. No wonder you have the views you do. You're living in upside down world.

Carter managed to get two historical enemies (Israel and Egypt) to negotiate in good faith and agree to what is known as the Camp David Accords. This treaty has not been broken to this day by either side. That makes him an international peacemaker.

Further, if you believe that it was Ronald Reagan who negotiated the release of the American hostages in Iran, it is you who are living in upside down world. It was Carter's team in the State Department all the way. The fact that Iran insisted on tweaking Carter's nose by coinciding the release on Reagan's inauguration day AND having Reagan make the announcement was not going to be a stumbling block as far as Carter was concerned. Carter got the hostages home safe. That is all that mattered to him. That we call a statesman.

 

[uptower]

Actually TDS is a librul affliction.....an obsession with Trump no matter the subject, whether it relates to Trump or not. And btw, Trump did not lose the popular vote in either election. We elect presidents by way of the electoral college. There is no popular vote for a presidential candidate to win. Trump won more states in 2016 then the hildabeast did. That's why he was elected.

Literally more people voted against Trump in both elections. He lost the popular vote twice. If the purpose of this thread is to relitigate 2016, that question was answered more than twofold last November. If we want to make what-if scenarios for this moment, Biden's latest polls speak for themselves - most of the country elected him and most are still happy with that choice.

 

[RedAkston]

Carter managed to get two historical enemies (Israel and Egypt) to negotiate in good faith and agree to what is known as the Camp David Accords. This treaty has not been broken to this day by either side. That makes him an international peacemaker.

He does deserve credit for this. Carter is a great humanitarian and he has a huge heart but he was a horrible President.

Further, if you believe that it was Ronald Reagan who negotiated the release of the American hostages in Iran, it is you who are living in upside down world. It was Carter's team in the State Department all the way. The fact that Iran insisted on tweaking Carter's nose by coinciding the release on Reagan's inauguration day AND having Reagan make the announcement was not going to be a stumbling block as far as Carter was concerned. Carter got the hostages home safe. That is all that mattered to him. That we call a statesman.

This is alternate history and is laughable.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Stealers Wheel said:
Further, if you believe that it was Ronald Reagan who negotiated the release of the American hostages in Iran, it is you who are living in upside down world. It was Carter's team in the State Department all the way. The fact that Iran insisted on tweaking Carter's nose by coinciding the release on Reagan's inauguration day AND having Reagan make the announcement was not going to be a stumbling block as far as Carter was concerned. Carter got the hostages home safe. That is all that mattered to him. That we call a statesman.

This is alternate history and is laughable.

Oh? The hostages didn't come home safe? Or you believe Carter and the State Department sat quietly on the sidelines while private citizen Reagan ran the game? If so, you're delusional.

The deal was made while Carter was president. FACT.

 

[JMR]

He does deserve credit for this. Carter is a great humanitarian and he has a huge heart but he was a horrible President.

This is alternate history and is laughable.

And yet none of the historian polls put Carter in the bottom three, along with Trump/

 

[RedAkston]

Oh? The hostages didn't come home safe? Or you believe Carter and the State Department sat quietly on the sidelines while private citizen Reagan ran the game? If so, you're delusional.

I don't doubt that the Carter administration tried to get them out. Reagan told Iran what was coming if he didn't release the hostages and they did.

You can keep telling yourself that it was all Carter but it won't make it true.

Carter had more than a year to get the hostages released (444 days to be exact) and he failed to do so.

The deal was made while Carter was president. FACT.

He wasn't POTUS at the time they were released as they were released shortly after Reagan was sworn into office due to the threats Reagan made. These are the actual facts and you're calling me delusional?

BTW, this thread isn't about Reagan, Carter or the hostages. We've strayed pretty far off topic.

 

[MaryP]

The 1/6 commission is a partisan witch hunt

You don't feel Jan 6 needs to be looked into any further?
If it were equally Repubs and Dems, would you feel the same?

 

[JMR]

I don't doubt that the Carter administration tried to get them out. Reagan told Iran what was coming if he didn't release the hostages and they did.

You can keep telling yourself that it was all Carter but it won't make it true.

Carter had more than a year to get the hostages released (444 days to be exact) and he failed to do so.

He wasn't POTUS at the time they were released as they were released shortly after Reagan was sworn into office due to the threats Reagan made. These are the actual facts and you're calling me delusional?

BTW, this thread isn't about Reagan, Carter or the hostages. We've strayed pretty far off topic.

You call Reagan's deal threats? Wasn't it weapons?

 

[Craig234]

LMAO, Carter is the 2nd worst President in our history with Wilson being the worst. No wonder you have the views you do. You're living in upside down world.

Back at you. Ya, Carter's unique peace in the Middle East between Israel and Egypt, his being the only president since not to launch US military action, his successful handling of the Iran crisis, his launching the fix for inflation under Paul Volcker, his getting the most of his agenda passed of any president since, his fight for energy independence, on an on, second worst!