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Trump to unveil new middle class tax cuts within 90 days

I'm not being paid a salary of $400,000 a year 'with perks'. I don't have a nation filled with industrialists, clever corporate minds and 'think tanks' to figure that out. If I did, I surely would make it a priority.

Then how on Earth do you expect to get what you want? Are you at least willing to admit that the liberal ideas weren't working?
 
And as usual, right wingers have no argument at all, No rebuttal, just make **** up about liberals and attack them. I guess I understand conservative anger, being so inferior to everybody else and having no facts, logic and reasoning must be maddening

Republicans have been using that buy votes tactics for decades now, and bankrupting the country. And every middle class tax breaks, the rich get more. So who are you kidding trying to deny the obvious ploy. Oh, that's right, deporables have no shame

Which has nothing whatever to do with my post.

But the disclaimer. I'm no more enamored with the republicans than the democrats. Which is why I voted for Trump.
 
Don't be so negative.

The unemployment rate is at historic lows, the stock market is up, wages are up, and we're making America great again. Would a simple "thank you" be too much to ask?

Thank you Obama and the American people.

Too bad the economic isn't as good as it would be without Republicans redistributing trillions to the top 1%, creating a harm tariff war with China, wasting more corrupt hundreds billions on the military industry, causing harm with deregulation, etc.
 
I'm no more enamored with the republicans than the democrats. Which is why I voted for Trump.

What a mistake, given that trump is a corrupt con man who is ENTIRELY not only on board with the corrupt Republican agenda, but actually worse in ways. I assume, then, you're be voting for Bernie this time who ACTUALLY represents the people.
 
Thank you Obama and the American people.

Too bad the economic isn't as good as it would be without Republicans redistributing trillions to the top 1%, creating a harm tariff war with China, wasting more corrupt hundreds billions on the military industry, causing harm with deregulation, etc.

If you're gonna just make **** up, why not use a word like "bazillions"? It's more colorful.
 
It didn't work last time and it ballooned the deficit. Do you ever learn? What policies get cut with the lack of funding that these tax cuts would create?

We'd all be better of if Trump repealed the last tax cuts and instead raised taxes on those over 1 million a year and brought back the estate tax.



So it sounds like we can put you in the camp who doesn't want middle class tax cuts and who would rather see tax increases.


I'm not sure that's the strongest platform to be running on going into 2020 but your side can try it and see how it plays out.
 
What a mistake, given that trump is a corrupt con man who is ENTIRELY not only on board with the corrupt Republican agenda, but actually worse in ways. I assume, then, you're be voting for Bernie this time who ACTUALLY represents the people.

Never assume.
 
I wonder what you consider candidates who offer free college, free healthcare and $1,000/month universal income?

Those have taxes associated with them to pay for the programs. What's Trump going to cut? I'll give you a hint - SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Defense or all four. That's where the money goes, so what part of those programs will he cut to fund this tax cut?

If we don't care about deficits, that's fine. Medicare for all it is, plus free college, and all the rest!
 
That's the funny part. They don't give a damn about the poor or the middle class. The only thing they care about is sticking it to the rich.

Well, MFA would be nice for the poor, and middle class, as would bigger college subsidies, etc.
 
So it sounds like we can put you in the camp who doesn't want middle-class tax cuts and who would rather see tax increases.


I'm not sure that's the strongest platform to be running on going into 2020 but your side can try it and see how it plays out.

Tax cuts are like giving candy to children. Somehow the supposed libertarians and conservatives have manged to convince a large portion of citizens and voters that taxes are somehow a penalty and theft, despite the facts. We are a society and we need to start acting in the best interest of all people instead of the conservative and libertarian idea that we are all independent people and there is no economic and social system created by that society. This is the "can't see the forest for the individual trees" syndrome.

Those tax cuts do not solve problems, but instead, they create them. The government is underfunded now and we need to pay down the deficit but most taxpayers are easily swayed by these giveaways and refuse to see what the long-term implications of constant tax cuts cause. I do support braising taxses on the richest (over 1 million a year) Americans because cutting taxes doesn't boost the economy or create jobs, despite the supply-side myth that Reagan sold people. The money needs to be spent in a way that futhers goals that are innthe best long term intyest of the general good such as infastruiture improvements, green energy and education because the middle class is dying and the working poor is increasing and it needs to be stopped and reversed. We also need to make major cuts in defense spending and the policies that drive it or we will end up like Russia in 1988,
 
Are you against middle class tax cuts even if they drive up the deficit some?

Why cut them? Eliminate them. Should be fine. Reagan proved deficits don't matter.
 
They dont drive up the deficit. Revenue is up. Spending is up more. Thats what drives up the deficit. The proper way to deal with the deficit is to cut spending. Tax cuts are irrelevant.

Right, so if we have a deficit, just keep cutting taxes until the revenue comes flooding in and we produce glorious surpluses! That should work fine, I think.
 
Trump says tax cuts, health care and trade deals are ahead | Fox Business


According to Maria Bartiromo on Fox news in a follow up, Trump is looking to cut back the tax rates for those in the 24 - 28% bracket down to 15% as well as make the previous middle class tax cuts permanent.

Trump's a moron and anyone who is swayed by this is no better. We're already running record deficits and the very typical repub tactic of massively cutting taxes while borrowing massively is a fiscal IQ test that the GOPers fail EVERY time.

This prosperity that Trump keeps bragging about is a borrowed prosperity. In other words, the bill will come due some day and his fat ass won't be around to see what it does to our country. He doesn't care, though. Everything he does is transparently self-serving. He's a disgrace and deserves to be condemned for the way he has exploited the credulity and general stupidity of Republican voters.
 
Hasn't he already made this promise before?

Yes, and he was also going to pay off the entire debt within 10 years, and give everyone a $10 trillion tax cut, and UHC, and expand military spending, and protect Medicare and Medicaid and Social Security.

I'm pretty sure all those will be part of this new plan for the 2020 election. If there's one thing about Trump, you can trust him to keep his promises on all those things. I really cannot wait for the healthcare plan we were going to get months ago, but I'm sure it will be great!
 
If you're gonna just make **** up, why not use a word like "bazillions"? It's more colorful.

Trump was forced to bail out farmers to the tune of 28 billion because of his failed tariffs.

During the almost seven-minute call the president defended his handling of the trade conflict with China, which has cut off American farmers from one of their most important export markets. Yet he was quick to remind them that he’s tried to salve their pain. “I sometimes see where these horrible dishonest reporters will say that ‘oh jeez, the farmers are upset.’ Well, they can’t be too upset, because I gave them $12 billion and I gave them $16 billion this year,” said Trump, who then added, “I hope you like me even better than you did in ’16.”

His tax cuts cost trillions and predictably didn't have the economic effect that he promised to the drolling MAGAites but that was also predicted by economics and the GAO. Do you like being played for a fool?

This month marks the two-year anniversary of President Trump's major legislative accomplishment: his rewrite of the tax code. As we head into the election year, you can bet that taxes and the economy will be topics of debate. President Trump will, no doubt, want voters to give him credit for his tax law, which he promised would lead to more investment, more jobs, higher wages and faster growth.
But none of those promises have been fulfilled. From a purely economic standpoint, the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act of 2017 has been an enormous flop.
Let's start with jobs. Has the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act created millions of new jobs, as was promised? In a word, no. In the four years prior to the passage of the GOP tax law, the economy added an average of 213,000 jobs each month, according to data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. In the nearly two years since the law passed, average job creation has actually declined by an average of 11,000 per month.

The White House promised that the tax cuts would result in an annual wage increase of $4,000 per household. Again, not even close. In the two years since the law passed, wage growth, after accounting for inflation, rose only slightly, from 1% to just under 1.4% per year for nonsupervisory workers, according to data from the US Bureau of Labor Statistics. That difference — even if it were fully attributable to the tax cuts — amounts to less than $400 for a full-time worker. So much for your $4,000 raise.
 
Not one that has been articulated by the people proposing tens of trillions of dollars in goodies every year.

$10s of TRILLIONS per YEAR! That's a lot!! :lamo
 
If you're gonna just make **** up, why not use a word like "bazillions"? It's more colorful.

Sorry you don't have the facts to discuss the issue. Trillions is the correct word. Go google and learn a little.
 
But farmers aren't part of the 1% as was the claim.

That bailout was caused Trump's failed tariffs. they were self-inflicted by his idiocy.

Some farmers are 1%ers.
 
The secret saga of Trump's tax cuts – Center for Public Integrity

The Center for Public Integrity spent six months studying the process that created the tax act. Among its findings:

  • Corporations, which drove the train, got even more of a tax cut than they wanted. Yet they refused to promise that their huge tax break would hike worker wages. Medium-sized and big businesses got something they had only dreamed of — though in provisions so badly written one tax expert called them a “travesty.”
  • Rich Republicans lobbied Trump at a Manhattan fundraiser and got 2.6 percentage points lopped off their highest tax bracket.
  • Deficit hawks, that is, those opposed to creating any new federal debt, hemmed and hawed and finally folded, as one commentator put it, “like a cheap suit.”
  • An idea that would have raised $1 trillion and paid for much of the tax cuts was soundly defeated by a powerful business lobby.
  • Republicans used $1.5 trillion in what some call accounting gimmicks to either hide the true cost of the bill or help justify their votes.
  • The bill was drafted in secret, partly to keep it from Congress’s own members who, it was feared, would leak it to lobbyists.
  • A key nonpartisan agency that tried to give an honest assessment of the cost of the bill was brazenly cut out of the picture.

...the bill, with its 21 percent corporate tax rate, was first and foremost a gift to multinationals. They had wanted cuts in the corporate tax rate for foreign and domestic profits for decades. Everything else flowed from that: the tax cuts for smaller businesses known as “pass-throughs,” which had been their holy grail, and the cuts for individuals, which were needed to sell the bill to voters.

(The tax cuts for individuals expire in 2025, in order to hide the costs should they be made permanent; if they aren't, by 2027 83% of the cuts go to the top 1%)...

An obstacle for Feehery was that a corporate rate cut was not an easy sell to the American public, especially Trump voters, who were thought to have a deep dislike for both corporations and their chief executives. Feehery’s job was to convince these voters the rate cut would produce more jobs and higher wages.

The “more jobs” effect was not universally accepted. One report, by the left-leaning Institute for Policy Studies in August 2017, looked at 92 large publicly traded U.S. corporations. ExxonMobil Corp. paid an effective tax rate of 13.6 percent from 2008 to 2015 while it cut one third of its global workforce, the study said. AT&T paid 8.1 percent in taxes while cutting 80,000 jobs over the same period. Meanwhile, stock buybacks boomed, and the average CEO pay increased 18 percent...

“One of the things we found is the Trump voter likes Trump, but doesn’t love Corporate America,” Feehery said. “Trump has so much credibility with the Trump voter that he can make the sell.”
 
Never assume.

You misunderstand the statement I made about 'assume'. I pointed out that if you had any logic to your claims, that you would vote for Bernie, but I don't assume you do. Quite the contrary, in fact.
 
That bailout was caused Trump's failed tariffs. they were self-inflicted by his idiocy.

Some farmers are 1%ers.

Show me a farmer that is a 1%er who received a bailout.

I'll wait...
 
Does this mean you're opposed to middle class tax cuts?

It means we have heard this before and all we got was more tax cuts for the rich. Besides a tax cut like that would double our deficit AGAIN. They would need to be paid for with tax significant tax hikes on the top brackets. We all know Trump will never raise taxes on himself.
 
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