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Trump to sign order making English the official U.S. language

aociswundumho said:
ElChupacabra said:
This is the kind of performative stuff the MAGAverse sees as "getting so much done". I don't think I'd hire the MAGAverse to discern real work from busy work.
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What is MAGA stupid, or whatever, about having an official language?

aociswundumho said:
This is dumb. English is already the most spoken language in the entire world, not just in America.
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It is not dumb to have an official language. It might be irrelevant though.
 
Greenbeard said:
Whew, with all the troubling economic news lately, I was worried Trump's laser focus on culture war issues might lessen.
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Having trouble understanding the concept of multi-tasking? Lots of men do...
 
Bodi said:
What is MAGA stupid, or whatever, about having an official language?



It is not dumb to have an official language. It might be irrelevant though.
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Because it's performative to virtue signal to the MAGA base. This does nothing useful.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Because it's performative to virtue signal to the MAGA base. This does nothing useful.
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I think you missed the point... why are you not saying that the other 170 or
whatever countries that have an official language are also bullshit,
or whatever your point is?
 
Bodi said:
I think you missed the point... why are you not saying that the other 170 or
whatever countries that have an official language are also bullshit,
or whatever your point is?
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Was my point confusing to you?
 
ElChupacabra said:
Was my point confusing to you?
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Absolutely... can you explain why having an official language for 170+ countries is fine but when Trump does it, it is whatever your condemnation is?
 
Bodi said:
Absolutely... can you explain why having an official language for 170+ countries is fine but when Trump does it, it is whatever your condemnation is?
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It was in my post. Why do you repeat questions you already have the answers to? I'm also not sure what official languages for 170+ other countries has to do with anything since we're talking about one country in particular.
 
ElChupacabra said:
It was in my post. Why do you repeat questions you already have the answers to? I'm also not sure what official languages for 170+ other countries has to do with anything since we're talking about one country in particular.
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Yeah, you said:

Because it's performative to virtue signal to the MAGA base. This does nothing useful.
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You are talking about virtue signaling and MAGA... but if MAGA or Trump are making an official language and this upsets you... why did you not become upset when the other 170 countries created or displayed their official languages? Seems kind hypocritical. ;)




hypocritical
 
Bodi said:
Yeah, you said:
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Ok great, so at least we established that you understood what I wrote.

Bodi said:
You are talking about virtue signaling and MAGA... but if MAGA or Trump are making an official language and this upsets you... why did you not become upset when the other 170 countries created or displayed their official languages? Seems kind hypocritical. ;)




hypocritical
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For starters, I'm not sure how you concluded I'm upset, but what I find more interesting is what 170 other countries did in regards to their official languages, unless they all did it at the same time Trump announced the change in the US. Was that the case? I hope so, because otherwise your claim of me being hypocritical is quite the reach.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Ok great, so at least we established that you understood what I wrote.


For starters, I'm not sure how you concluded I'm upset, but what I find more interesting is what 170 other countries did in regards to their official languages, unless they all did it at the same time Trump announced the change in the US. Was that the case? I hope so, because otherwise your claim of me being hypocritical is quite the reach.
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Am I mistaken in that you think that Trump making English the Official Language of the United States is somehow negative, or MAGA or bad in some way?
 
Bodi said:
Am I mistaken in that you think that Trump making English the Official Language of the United States is somehow negative, or MAGA or bad in some way?
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Nope. What's comical is your attempt to claim it's hypocritical because other nations have done this, while missing the subtext of why Trump is doing this. If you understood that, you wouldn't be asking this kind of question.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Nope. What's comical is your attempt to claim it's hypocritical because other nations have done this, while missing the subtext of why Trump is doing this. If you understood that, you wouldn't be asking this kind of question.
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Why are other policies the way they are about Official Languages.... that is the point. If you are not understanding or challenging any that violate certain codes, then you are being hypocritical about Trump. Right? Basic Logic. Saudi Arabia has horrible humans rights violations and oppresses women and kills gays but you are not talking about them and their "Official Language". Why?
 
Hey everybody, did you know that...



This WH is SO informative. I learn so much!
 
Bodi said:
Why are other policies the way they are about Official Languages.... that is the point. If you are not understanding or challenging any that violate certain codes, then you are being hypocritical about Trump. Right? Basic Logic.
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Not at all, and that shows you didn't understand my point or the context.

Bodi said:
Saudi Arabia has horrible humans rights violations and oppresses women and kills gays but you are not talking about them and their "Official Language". Why?
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You're on to Saudi Arabia now?
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Peacenik said:
Another bullying action aimed at non-Americans.
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Immigrants in this country are going to learn English as a matter of survival.
Those that don't make a serious attempt at assimilation by speaking the most important language in the world will be left on the dustbin of history.
During the period of heavy emigration from Europe in the late 19th century and up to the mid-20th century there were no efforts to make English the official language of the country. The immigrants learned English to survive or they suffered.

I tend to feel making English the official language of America is akin to changing the name of a body of water to the Gulf of America.
What difference does it make to those people who have other concerns on their minds like making sure they survive in this rapidly changing society?
 
Airyaman said:
And this will do...what?

If I hear someone speaking Spanish or another non-English language, do I call the cops?
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Only if they misgender someone. Then they should be arrested and their livelihood threatened.

Amiright?
 
ElChupacabra said:
This is the kind of performative stuff the MAGAverse sees as "getting so much done". I don't think I'd hire the MAGAverse to discern real work from busy work.
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In this country we must have but one flag, the American flag; but one language, the English language; and above all, but one loyalty, an exclusive and undivided loyalty to the United States, with no Lot's wife attitude, no looking back to the various old world countries from which our ancestors have severally come.

Theodore Roosevelt
 
Celtic4Life said:
In this country we must have but one flag, the American flag; but one language, the English language; and above all, but one loyalty, an exclusive and undivided loyalty to the United States, with no Lot's wife attitude, no looking back to the various old world countries from which our ancestors have severally come.

Theodore Roosevelt
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Other countries have multiple languages with no problem, so I'm curious about the "must" qualifier.
 
As a poster commented at the beginning of this thread, English is the most widely spoken language on the planet. It is the de facto language of diplomacy and commerce. Within our borders it is the primary language among some 300 different languages spoken in homes. Trump’s Executive Order Designating English as the Official Language of the United States will not enhance nor protect English’s cultural, political or economic dominance.

The Executive Order’s purpose is lofty: “A nationally designated language is at the core of a unified and cohesive society, and the United States is strengthened by a citizenry that can freely exchange ideas in one shared language. [. . .] To promote unity, cultivate a shared American culture for all citizens, ensure consistency in government operations, and create a pathway to civic engagement, it is in America’s best interest for the Federal Government to designate one — and only one — official language.”

But is this the order’s only purpose? No. It is not.

Executive Order 13166 of August 11, 2000 (Improving Access to Services for Persons with Limited English Proficiency), is hereby revoked; nothing in this order, however, requires or directs any change in the services provided by any agency. Agency heads should make decisions as they deem necessary to fulfill their respective agencies’ mission and efficiently provide Government services to the American people. Agency heads are not required to amend, remove, or otherwise stop production of documents, products, or other services prepared or offered in languages other than English.

In effect, how government agencies serve non fluent English speakers becomes optional.
 
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