Trump to deploy National Guard in response to Los Angeles immigration protests

[Napoleon]

The two favorite flags of the rioters are mexican and palestinina flags. If you see violence, one of these flags are close by.

I also noticed some rainbow flags and a “Free Diddy” shirt. Who the hells knows what they’re “protesting.” I doubt they could tell you.

 

[Athanasius68]

I can find no evidence Biden or any member of his administration ever threatened to federalize the Texas Guard. This sounds like another right-wing lie.

White House dodges on Democratic calls for Biden to federalize Texas National Guard

The White House's John Kirby declined to say whether Biden plans to federalize the Texas National Guard amid the current immigration crisis.

www.foxnews.com

I can find evidence of the Supreme Court issuing a ruling declaring that it was legal for the federal government to remove the razor wire.

All of this discussion about Trump's actions would be easier if Trump supporters just came out and told the truth about what they really want, they want Trump to become a dictator, they want the Constitution to be shredded, and they want the U.S. military to treat illegal immigrants and Democrats as if they were enemies in a time of war.

It would actually be easier if critics of Mr. Trump would just admit they don't really want Mr. Trump in general exercising his constitutional authority, and are quite willing to create constitutional crisis, support political violence in an effort to stop him from exercising his lawful power, and here enforcing immigration law specifically.

 

[uptower]

"Bad for all Americans": Former National Guard vice chief calls LA deployment "inappropriate"

Trump's deployment should alarm anyone "concerned about freedom of speech," retired Gen. Randy Manner told Fox News

www.salon.com

 

[Athanasius68]

Anyone who’s a constitutionalist would agree that when the law is broken it needs to be enforced. Greg Abbott broke the law, period.

So-- is Mr. Trump correct in enforcing immigration law?
How about in prosecuting governors and other elected officials who stand in the way of his enforcing the law?

 

[Athanasius68]

You took that comment out of context, which changes it entirely. The Police Chief said a very different thing than what you claim he said, which was, "says his department is overwhelmed". That's not what he said. I transcribed a portion of his address, in which he clearly states that the LAPD could have handled this without having to ask the Governor to call out the National Guard. Additionally, I have copied the link to the video so you could see and hear it yourself.

"We have adapted our tactics to be able to have a chance to take these people into custody. We are overwhelmed as far as the number of people engaged in this type of activity. I believe we could handle this. I believe that we would have gone through a number of steps before we'd have deployed the National Guard or requested deployment of the National Guard. We would normally go to 50% deployment to handle radio calls and do the business of policing, and everybody else would be focused on the initial problem. Beyond that, then we would request through the sheriff mutual aid, and that would bring in members of the other 44 police departments in LA county as well as the sheriff's office. That didn't occur because it wasn't done through the sheriff or through the normal chain."

I guess the reasoning is that ICE officials were being assaulted in performing their jobs, and LA law enforcement moved too slowly.

 

[Athanasius68]

Well I'll be damned. First MAGA I've seen here to actually admit the truth about the Jan6th terrorists.

So-- now that we have gotten the deflection out of the way:
Is Mr Trump correct to crack down on rioters in LA?

 

[WorldWatcher]

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Why is Trump calling for the arrest of law enforcement officers and ICE Agents?

WW

 

[gbg3]

Well what do you know? The leak came from the DHS not CO law enforcement was the source of the leak...did Fox forget to report the facts?

DHS Identifies and Fires Employees Who Leaked ICE Raid Info – The Presidential Prayer Team

www.presidentialprayerteam.org

One of the FBI scumbags started the leak, now fired. Good thing the FBI is getting a good clean out now, post Patel. Once this guy leaked the info, it spread everywhere. Who all do you think was involved in quickly spreading the info far and wide. Just the one FBI guy and no one in (oh so ICE cooperative) CO?

It's great, however, to see your confidence that ICE "announcing" their upcoming (dangerous) tasks to CA government and law enforcement makes sense - because there is no one in CA who might be at all motivated to "interfere" in numerous ways or spread ICE raid news. These ICE operations should be announced and the agents should never be masked - right Callen? Logical plan, don't you think?

 

[Callen]

One of the FBI scumbags started the leak, now fired. Good thing the FBI is getting a good clean out now, post Patel. Once this guy leaked the info, it spread everywhere. Who all do you think was involved in quickly spreading the info far and wide. Just the one FBI guy and no one in (oh so ICE cooperative) CO?

It's great, however, to see your confidence that ICE "announcing" their upcoming (dangerous) tasks to CA government and law enforcement makes sense - because there is no one in CA who might be at all motivated to "interfere" in numerous ways or spread ICE raid news. These ICE operations should be announced and the agents should never be masked - right Callen? Logical plan, don't you think?

Yeah I'd feel bad for spreading an outright lie too. Facts are State LE were not responsible for the leak and there is zero information to suggest they were in any way involved. The goal is to keep Trumpers worked up, angry and frightened and the way to do that is to cause as much chaos as possible......it's clearly working. LA law enforcement has a right to understand where, in general terms, these mass raids are going to happen so they can respond quickly...but a quick and effective response isn't what the Trump Administration wants and we both know that's true.

 

[gbg3]

Have you specific citation that support your claim that it was the CO police or are you just throwing stuff out there?

Just curious, what did you mean by "support your claim that it was the CO police"? What "it" are you talking about and what "claim" are you talking about. And answer with my quote, not your twisted wording. Here is what I said in full:

Lol, yeah sure. They won't interfere just exactly like happened in CO when a huge coordinated effort was set up with ICE, DEA and many more agencies. CO law enforcement was notified in advance and it was leaked everywhere. It was a complete bust because of that advance notification. The criminals had all left, been hidden, or whatever else could be done to shield and protect those criminals.

Give me a break with these utterly disingenuous claims "but neither will they interfere". What BS!

 

[W_Heisenberg]

White House dodges on Democratic calls for Biden to federalize Texas National Guard

The White House's John Kirby declined to say whether Biden plans to federalize the Texas National Guard amid the current immigration crisis.

www.foxnews.com

Yeah, I read the news article. I then reviewed the transcript, and I also reviewed the transcript from the previous press briefing. At no point did Biden or any of his administration threaten to federalize the Texas national guard. This appears to be a talking point invented by Fox News.

At one point Kirby did say, "We talked about this the other day...I don't have any decisions to speak to for the president. I don't have anything on that" and he was referring to the previous day's press briefing, not any discussion or "threat" on Biden's part.

You don't know what you're about, and you're spreading right-wing lies.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

It would actually be easier if critics of Mr. Trump would just admit they don't really want Mr. Trump in general exercising his constitutional authority, and are quite willing to create constitutional crisis, support political violence in an effort to stop him from exercising his lawful power, and here enforcing immigration law specifically.

1. There is no rebellion, and the President's authority is not so great that he can pretend there's a rebellion when there's not. And anyone who thinks otherwise is a fascist.

2. The vast majority of Trump's critics do not support political violence, what they support is non-violent protest.

3. The vast majority of Trump's critics want Trump to do what he said he'd do, which was to focus on deporting criminals first. What he's really doing is just deporting the easiest people he can deport, the people showing up to court, following the rules, checking in with ICE.

4. In general, the vast majority of Trump's critics want Trump and his supporters to stop being belligerent, racist assholes about everything.

5. In general, the vast majority of Trump's critics do not want people to enter the country illegally, but do want some immigration, and they want the immigration process to be fair, orderly, and efficient.

I don't think these are unreasonable positions to have.

I've read the comments from Trump supporters on the far-right on other forums, conservative "Safe Spaces" so to speak, and they are most violent, horrible things I've ever read. They would be perfectly happy just simply murdering the immigrants. Those are your political allies. They are a bunch of white supremacist shit stains. Those are your friends.

 

[Kelby]

This is what happens when a country permits the existence of a media outlet whose sole purpose is to act as a conduit for disinformation aimed at destabilizing democracy.
Not saying that Fox can't be permitted to exist but they should be prevented from using the word NEWS in their name.
Disinformation is not news, it's propaganda and needs to be labeled as such.

Or...they could finally decide to simply be a conservative news outlet, which they are not.

There is obviously a lot of money to be made in “othering” non-WASP people.

 

[Callen]

Just curious, what did you mean by "support your claim that it was the CO police"? What "it" are you talking about and what "claim" are you talking about. And answer with my quote, not your twisted wording. Here is what I said in full:

OK you tell me straight up you were not saying (claiming) it was the CO police that was responsible for the leak (it)...go for it

 

[JerryW]

they’ve been handing over hundreds of illegal migrants to ICE

This is nothing new.... State & local agencies have followed federal laws & didn't do the work of the federal agencies unless they were formally funded to do so (deputized). They also didn't illegally "hold" someone beyond the legal (48 hrs? 72 hrs? ) limit to comply with a request by the feds.

What is glossed over by Thiessen and others, is that these steps to the get the court orders/ warrants haven't been bothered with routinely in the past, because of funding priorities.

I don't think anything has changed with respect to overall funding. It's just that they are now pulling the staff from other areas of federal law enforcement to focus on getting deportation numbers up.

Cities, including "sanctuary" ones, do not hide or protect heinous criminals. Whenever there's a claim of it happening, digging deep uncovers something like the punishment time has already been served and the feds have no interest in putting the time to get the legal removal order OR the crime hasn't been proven. And the feds haven't done the work to get a legal removal ordered.

We have not, as a nation, sufficiently funded the system needed to quickly deal with unwanted non-citizens in a manner that is Constitutional.

 

[W_Heisenberg]

Those charged with seditious conspiracy? Not sure.

I'll give you some time to think about. When you've made up your mind, let me know what you think about the comment I made:

"14 of these violent pieces of shit were convicted of seditious conspiracy. Trump commuted all of their sentences. Do you agree that these Constitution-hating, anti-American shit stains should have had their sentences commuted?"

They were charged with 'opposing any law' aspect of that statute-- would it be wise to investigate and, if warranted, apply it to those who engaged in violence in the recent riots? The precedent does exist...

I don't believe in political violence, and if their actions meet the elements of the crime they should be prosecuted, and the case put before a jury. As a practical matter it seems far-fetched to charge people with sedition for what are apparently unorganized, opportunistic acts of theft, vandalism, and destruction.

I wish I could say you don't believe in political violence, but it seems as though you're ambivalent about political violence when it is done by white people on behalf of the perceived political interests of white people.

 

[NWRatCon]

1. There is no rebellion, and the President's authority is not so great that he can pretend there's a rebellion when there's not. And anyone who thinks otherwise is a fascist.

2. The vast majority of Trump's critics do not support political violence, what they support is non-violent protest.

3. The vast majority of Trump's critics want Trump to do what he said he'd do, which was to focus on deporting criminals first. What he's really doing is just deporting the easiest people he can deport, the people showing up to court, following the rules, checking in with ICE.

4. In general, the vast majority of Trump's critics want Trump and his supporters to stop being belligerent, racist assholes about everything.

5. In general, the vast majority of Trump's critics do not want people to enter the country illegally, but do want some immigration, and they want the immigration process to be fair, orderly, and efficient.

I don't think these are unreasonable positions to have.

I've read the comments from Trump supporters on the far-right on other forums, conservative "Safe Spaces" so to speak, and they are most violent, horrible things I've ever read. They would be perfectly happy just simply murdering the immigrants. Those are your political allies. They are a bunch of white supremacist shit stains. Those are your friends.

In some cases, I believe they are alter egos.

 

[NWRatCon]

OK you tell me straight up you were not saying (claiming) it was the CO police that was responsible for the leak (it)...go for it

Have you ever seen him walk back a lie? Not in the play book.

By the way, here is the lie....

CO law enforcement was notified in advance and it was leaked everywhere."

 

[reinaert]

"NYT EDITORIAL BOARD: “President Trump’s order on Saturday was both ahistoric and based on false pretenses and is already creating the very chaos it was purportedly designed to prevent.”

I disagree. It is creating exactly the chaos he wants. His goal is to make this all seem much worse than it is in order to create fear and anger. It is a key tactic of his , one that works like a charm on the base. Discrediting Newsom is an intended byproduct but the real goal is generating fear and anger so he can take even more aggressive and questionable actions.

This. Trumpland needs Americans isolated from the world, angry, afraid, suspicious and cowed all at once. Their project of establishing a plutocratic autocracy idolizing a nationalist RageChrist™ depends upon it.

 

[reinaert]

Here's the thing: Getting people to do violence on command takes conditioning. It is not a natural thing (except for sociopaths). Much of basic training is just such conditioning. I remember when I personally had that epiphany. It takes specific training to reduce "the enemy" to an object, a "target". That is even harder when the "enemy" is your neighbors, fellow citizens, and the people you have been trained and naturally want to protect. That's why most of us joined in the first place - that instinct to protect our community - which is especially strong in the Guard. The psychological impact will be significant on the Guardsmen (and a number will get out because of it) and the protective instincts hard to overcome.

This deployment of the National Guard is a conditioning exercise. They are conditioning both the Guardsmen and the population to accept military force on the nation's streets. It is the same for the DC parade. It is less a celebration of our proud military history as it is a conditioning exercise for the population. "Get used to it" is the operative point. This is how fascists operate.

Please, put this on repeat.

 

[reinaert]

I am a zero generation American. We followed the ****ing law. I have zero ****ing tolerance for illegal aliens who violate immigration law.

This definitely explains ICE arresting and deporting people who show up for their immigration appointments...

 

[Callen]

This deployment of the National Guard is a conditioning exercise. They are conditioning both the Guardsmen and the population to accept military force on the nation's streets. It is the same for the DC parade. It is less a celebration of our proud military history as it is a conditioning exercise for the population. "Get used to it" is the operative point. This is how fascists operate

Totally agree. It's all about conditioning the American people to having armed troops in American streets.

 

[gbg3]

OK you tell me straight up you were not saying ( claiming) it was the CO police that was responsible for the leak it)...go for it

I don't know who all was involved in further spreading the leaked info literally everywhere throughout the state. I do know how far and wide and quickly the information spread. It's a dangerous and costly mistake to broadcast the info in advance. There are so many people in this country who are motivated to sabotage ICE's efforts to deport illegals and criminals.

And, responsible for the leak - no, my words very clearly said CO law enforcement was notified in advance. The FBI scumbag was the source of ("responsible for") that leak.

Your word twisting tactics are very well recognized and common.

 

[Brack]

Considering the number of retarded leftists in this country that complained that the National Guard was NOT used to prevent the January 6 protests (though for some reason those people blame Trump, even though he offered the troops, and not Pelosi and Bowser, who refused the troops), Id assume their use here would be near unanimous in support. I mean...if someone supported it on Jan 6 but not now...that would make them complete and total hypocrites.

The President is the only one with authority over the National Guard in DC. Those who told us that Pelosi is responsible for the National Guard not being in DC on January 6th weren't telling the truth.

 

[Airyaman]

Whoops! Trump admitted what he did was illegal.