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Trump threatens Apple with a 25% tariff if it doesn’t build iPhones in America

IF it’s encrypted. It isn’t by default and most iPhone users aren’t aware of that and don’t know where in the phone to activate end to end encryption is located, that it exists, or how to turn it on.

One could argue they might not even if they did as it does inactivate functionality of some services. Including bricking your phone if you take it to Nth degree and forget your 16 digit lockout info and/or don’t have a secondary, trusted (“recovery contact”), person to be your fail safe.

Realize that one of the things lost, as only a trusted device can access the info, is you can’t move your data to a new phone, tablet, computer, as it’s not yet a trusted device if you update an iPhone or replace a lost or damaged one. You have to make it the new one an trusted device and if you’ve forgotten/lost that 16 digit number or don;t have a trusted “recovery” person authorized, your data is “bricked” and lost forever. Your new device; its photos, data, etc, gone forever.

Even I don’t have that level of encryption activated. I have nothing on my iPhone I can’t have seen by someone and that solves that problem. Accessing banking, etc., is encrypted in real time by VPN but the data isn’t stored on the phone.
 
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All incorrect.



Apple devices use AES 256 encryption which has never been broken. It is in fact considered quantum computer proof.



From the article you cite: ”Device backups stored in iCloud are not encrypted by default (see below). For that reason, in most cases, storage of enterprise data in personal iCloud accounts is not recommended.”

I’ve been involved in investigations where we’ve gotten info from iPhones in various ways. Including from Apple with court order from iCloud.
 
From the article you cite: ”Device backups stored in iCloud are not encrypted by default (see below). For that reason, in most cases, storage of enterprise data in personal iCloud accounts is not recommended.”

I’ve been involved in investigations where we’ve gotten info from iPhones in various ways. Including from Apple with court order from iCloud.
We're not talking about cloud storage. We're talking about the device. Law enforcement cannot break Apple device encryption, period.
 
We're not talking about cloud storage. We're talking about the device. Law enforcement cannot break Apple device encryption, period.


Ok, a misunderstanding.

I’m talking the ability to get the info on the phone.

It doesn’t matter that you can’t break the phone if you can get the information off it. Getting that info is getting that info. At least to the point I was trying to make.

Apple sees all if it, IF that data isn’t encrypted to their servers, BTW.

I find it hard to believe they aren’t mining it in some way.
 
Another day, just more stupid and phony bluff and bluster from the asshole in chief. Since he is too lazy and stupid to engage in adult negotiations, he puts on an act for the benefit of his cult audience. This act is not entertaining or useful in helping the American economy. It creates a chaotic business environment that hurts both American businesses and consumers. We await more backpedaling and false claims of victory soon. And more failure, which is Trump’s brand.
 
Stable genius declares an emergency!

Everything Trump tries to do unconstitutionally he attempts to justify by falsely declaring an emergency. You would think our country was currently under siege by the rest of the planet. What’s next, Trump posting The War of the Worlds on Truth Social?

Hey Trump, THERE IS NO EMERGENCY EXECPT YOUR PRESIDENCY!
 
Trump threatens Apple with a 25% tariff if it doesn’t build iPhones in America
Excellent!
Hahah this idiot. Even with a 25% tariff, the iPhone is way cheaper to make outside the US..
Yes, it is cheaper to abandon US workers and go for cheap labor abroad.
all he is doing is making the iPhone more expensive in the US and knowing Apple they will try mitigating that, by jacking up prices world wide.
I think the Apple leadership is right enough to find a way to build in the US and sell the phones at a competitive price if they really want to. Jacking up the price worldwide would not be a smart move, however Apple's competitors would love it.
 
Excellent!

Yes, it is cheaper to abandon US workers and go for cheap labor abroad.

I think the Apple leadership is right enough to find a way to build in the US and sell the phones at a competitive price if they really want to. Jacking up the price worldwide would not be a smart move, however Apple's competitors would love it.

So you are cheering on purposely hurting an American company and giving them incentive to move elsewhere. US workers will never work for low enough wages to allow Apple to manufacture domestically and still sell an already very expensive, but somewhat affordable product, to consumers who will be making lower wages overall and have greatly reduced purchasing power due to Trump’s inflationary tariffs. This isn’t a plan, it is a pipe dream that will kill off what little actually gets done by domestic businesses. It will incentivize businesses to pack up and leave the country entirely.
 
Yes, it is cheaper to abandon US workers and go for cheap labor abroad.

U.S factory and warehouse workers greatest threat isn’t overseas human beings. It’s automation. It was only people when cheaper labor was in flesh. Soon A.I. and robotic increases in productivity will cross a thread hold where initial capitalization costs are negated. Then it will be cheaper to automate than outsource. That will move factories producing products closer to their sales points to reduce costs of transportation but it won’t be people “manning” the assembly lines. It will be machines.

What jobs there will be will be in managing and maintaining those machines, and far less of them as there wouid be human factory workers. Even less so in time as there will be machines that will maintain and repair the machines.

Anything that can be automated, will be automated.

That’s something you MAGA folk don’t get.

There is a world wide paradigm shift approaching. By 2050 there’s will be 10 BILLION people in this rick and nowhere near enough 40 hour a week grunt work to keep the all working at levels to feed and house them by the methods we use today.

That’s only twenty-five from now.

There is going to have to be a whole new way people support themselves.


I think the Apple leadership is right enough to find a way to build in the US and sell the phones at a competitive price if they really want to. Jacking up the price worldwide would not be a smart move, however Apple's competitors would love it.

Yeah, see above.

You think I’m wrong?

See a Tesla factory. They are three quarters of the way there already. When “Optimus” is fully online that’s the other 25%.
 
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You 'people' should remember this thread the next time you shit yourselves and scream about income disparity and corporate greed.
I think that you need a primer in Economics 101.

Should American families quit our jobs but instead raise chickens and grow tomatoes in our backyards or continue to work at the jobs that we do best and buy groceries from the supermarket that buys from specialized farms? It's foolish for families to seek self-sufficiency given the opportunities offered by the modern economy. The same goes for countries. There are very good reasons for nations to produce different things and trade for the goods and services they don’t produce.

There are two distinct reasons countries find it advantageous to produce different things — the same reasons it makes sense for individuals to specialize and buy stuff from other people rather than trying to be self-sufficient.

First, people are different. Imagine that Jack and Jill are two smart, ambitious young people who have just entered college. Why might Jack become a lawyer while Jill becomes a surgeon? Well, maybe Jill has steady hands but hates arguing, while Jack has a phenomenal memory but can’t stand the sight of blood.

Second, there are inherent advantages to mastering one trade rather than dabbling in many areas. This is obviously true for jobs that require a lot of formal education: Nobody has the time to become both a surgeon and a top-flight lawyer. But it’s also true for skills that aren’t taught in universities. It takes a lot of practice and experience to become a good plumber, which anyone who’s hired a bad one knows all too well.

The same logic drives trade between countries. The United States doesn’t have much of an apparel industry left, but if it did, we can be sure that our workers would be more productive than workers in Bangladesh, in the sense that the average worker could make more shirts or pairs of pajamas per day. Yet Bangladesh is a big exporter of clothing, while America is a big importer. Why?

Because Bangladeshi garment workers are less productive than their counterparts in America, but they’re closer to advanced-country productivity in labor-intensive industries like clothing than they are in other sectors. Their low overall productivity translates into relatively low wages, but they’re productive enough in clothing manufacturing that these low wages give them a cost advantage.

If Trump forced clothing manufacture back to the U.S., American workers would be shifting their skills away from more productive work, like building jets, down to less productive jobs, and producing garments that are far more expensive. Buying more expensive garments means that they don't have money to buy other items. That doesn't help workers, consumers or the country.

In a previous post, I wrote about the theory of comparative advantage, the idea that countries trade because they’re different. (The U.S. doesn't grow bananas but other countries do. So, it makes sense to buy their bananas and sell what we grow or manufacture.) Comparative advantage is the biggest reason nations engage in international trade.

It is not the only reason. Another reason is access to supplies and intermediate products needed to make end products. Canada makes cheaper steel because they have cheap hydro-electric power. It makes sense to buy their steel.

A former high-ranking Apple executive once said, “The entire supply chain is in China now,” “You need a thousand rubber gaskets? That’s the factory next door. You need a million screws? That factory is a block away. You need that screw made a little bit different? It will take three hours.”

The point is that manufacturing plants don’t exist in isolation; they benefit a lot from being part of a manufacturing cluster, with specialized suppliers and a large pool of workers with the right skills close at hand. Apple couldn't easily move all that here, even if it wanted to.
 
Excellent!

Yes, it is cheaper to abandon US workers and go for cheap labor abroad.

I think the Apple leadership is right enough to find a way to build in the US and sell the phones at a competitive price if they really want to. Jacking up the price worldwide would not be a smart move, however Apple's competitors would love it.
People, such as Trump, who don't understand the economics of international trade fall for the above fallacy.

1) I'd rather have our children working at more advanced jobs than low-paid work screwing iPhones together, that cost twice what they cost now. We can't even get Americans to work in meat packing plants or pick vegetables.
2) Samsung doesn't make phones in the U.S. either. Why target Apple only?

As I said in my previous post, there is a reason why we all don't quit our jobs and grow all our food, sew all our clothes and build our own homes. We hire others that do it cheaper and better. That's more efficient. Companies discovered that too. There is a reason why an American car has 40% foreign content and foreign cars have 40% American content.

Who could have guessed that international trade could be so complicated?
 
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Excellent!

Yes, it is cheaper to abandon US workers and go for cheap labor abroad.

I think the Apple leadership is right enough to find a way to build in the US and sell the phones at a competitive price if they really want to. Jacking up the price worldwide would not be a smart move, however Apple's competitors would love it.
ah, they can "find a way" to do it? all they are lacking is motivation? wow, you must be a business "genius". Run, don't walk, and motivate them! show them the way! those slackers!
 
People, such as Trump, who don't understand the economics of international trade fall for the above fallacy.

1) I'd rather have our children working at more advanced jobs than low-paid work screwing iPhones together, that cost twice what they cost now. We can't even get Americans to work in meat packing plants or pick vegetables.
2) Samsung doesn't make phones in the U.S. either. Why target Apple only?

As I said in my previous post, there is a reason why we all don't quit our jobs and grow all our food, sew all our clothes and build our own homes. We hire others that do it cheaper and better. That's more efficient. Companies discovered that too. There is a reason why an American car has 40% foreign content and foreign cars have 40% American content.

Who could have guessed that international trade could be so complicated?

International trade has always been how nations operated. Some seem to think it is a modern invention. Columbus wasn’t trying to discover new lands, he was on a mission to find a better and safer international trade route. No countries were ever completely satisfied with trying to be self sufficient.
 
Everything Trump tries to do unconstitutionally he attempts to justify by falsely declaring an emergency. You would think our country was currently under siege by the rest of the planet. What’s next, Trump posting The War of the Worlds on Truth Social?

Hey Trump, THERE IS NO EMERGENCY EXECPT YOUR PRESIDENCY!
Damn fine post.
 
International trade has always been how nations operated. Some seem to think it is a modern invention. Columbus wasn’t trying to discover new lands, he was on a mission to find a better and safer international trade route. No countries were ever completely satisfied with trying to be self sufficient.
Exactly. Britain bought raw cotton from the colonies and sold manufactured clothing to the colonies.
 
How is moving iPhone production to the United States going to bring back those blue collar jobs in the Rust Belt? Also, you might want to on-shore rare earth manufacturing/processing before you actually bring home iPhone and other high-tech manufacturing, since you can't have the technical components made without first processing the raw materials.
Details shmetails...
:)
 
How is moving iPhone production to the United States going to bring back those blue collar jobs in the Rust Belt? Also, you might want to on-shore rare earth manufacturing/processing before you actually bring home iPhone and other high-tech manufacturing, since you can't have the technical components made without first processing the raw materials.
The tiny country of Lesotho: A 50% tariff was imposed on Lesotho, a country whose main exports include uncut diamonds. We have to protect our domestic diamond miners.
 
Awesome. Now this moron thinks he can punitively punish companies he doesn’t like with tariffs. Sounds like Apple should get a restraining order against the president like Harvard did. 🤣
 
And yet you gobbled up the next round of lies readily enough, it would appear.




Tariffs aren't complex, and the impacts are well understood. We have crippled our own economy and lost access to many markets. Trump has extended that far beyond reason, and if they are using that leverage to create new deals, they sure are hiding that info well.

Even if it worked like Trump says, and factories RUN back to the US, we are in for some miserable years 'til then, and will still be behind and playing catch up.

We could have created incentives to drive new domestic manufacturing while increasing workers benefits, but that would take longer and cost more, and we need to fund a tax cut.




None of that justifies what Trump has been up to. None of it.

If you are sincere, you're like a drowning victim dragging down their would-be rescuer with them for lack of better ideas.

Get some better ideas.
What a silly comment. I havent gobbled up lies nor changed standard. I left eh GOP because of their reckless spending. I have never voted for Donald Trump and I don't approve of the expanded debt in the current bill and will still say if he fails to get debt spending under control, that will be his biggest failure.

You have to stop just parroting stupid shit thinking its an argument. Its not.

RE Tariffs...our economy has not been crippled...but its most certainly ****ed up. Trump didnt cause that. Its ****ing insane for people to look at 4 decades of failed economic and foreign trade polices and then shit themselves and scream about the person trying to at least stimulate conversation and action on it. And he HAS gotten both action and conversation. World leaders are TALKING. They are actually entering into new arrangements.

This is no different than the border. People just mindless ram their heads in the sand about all the problems and ACCEPT it. Trump fixed the boirder disaster the rat party caused in a ****ign MONTH. No new laws. And BTW...all those refugees that HAD to escape their shithole countires...they arent beuing mass slaughtered and devasted. They whol asylum bullshit was just an excuse to circumvent our laws...and trhe rats in this country made that happen. Same with the trade polices. They have been ignored for decades, even though EVERYONE said 'something must be done!!!


Is Trumps action going to work? I dont know...but I know they will be far more successful if the rat shitheads in Congress actually JOINED the effort...not shit themselves because...welll....you know why.

TTTTRRRRRRUUUUUUMMMMMMMMPPPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I think that you need a primer in Economics 101.

Should American families quit our jobs but instead raise chickens and grow tomatoes in our backyards or continue to work at the jobs that we do best and buy groceries from the supermarket that buys from specialized farms? It's foolish for families to seek self-sufficiency given the opportunities offered by the modern economy. The same goes for countries. There are very good reasons for nations to produce different things and trade for the goods and services they don’t produce.

There are two distinct reasons countries find it advantageous to produce different things — the same reasons it makes sense for individuals to specialize and buy stuff from other people rather than trying to be self-sufficient.

First, people are different. Imagine that Jack and Jill are two smart, ambitious young people who have just entered college. Why might Jack become a lawyer while Jill becomes a surgeon? Well, maybe Jill has steady hands but hates arguing, while Jack has a phenomenal memory but can’t stand the sight of blood.

Second, there are inherent advantages to mastering one trade rather than dabbling in many areas. This is obviously true for jobs that require a lot of formal education: Nobody has the time to become both a surgeon and a top-flight lawyer. But it’s also true for skills that aren’t taught in universities. It takes a lot of practice and experience to become a good plumber, which anyone who’s hired a bad one knows all too well.

The same logic drives trade between countries. The United States doesn’t have much of an apparel industry left, but if it did, we can be sure that our workers would be more productive than workers in Bangladesh, in the sense that the average worker could make more shirts or pairs of pajamas per day. Yet Bangladesh is a big exporter of clothing, while America is a big importer. Why?

Because Bangladeshi garment workers are less productive than their counterparts in America, but they’re closer to advanced-country productivity in labor-intensive industries like clothing than they are in other sectors. Their low overall productivity translates into relatively low wages, but they’re productive enough in clothing manufacturing that these low wages give them a cost advantage.

If Trump forced clothing manufacture back to the U.S., American workers would be shifting their skills away from more productive work, like building jets, down to less productive jobs, and producing garments that are far more expensive. Buying more expensive garments means that they don't have money to buy other items. That doesn't help workers, consumers or the country.

In a previous post, I wrote about the theory of comparative advantage, the idea that countries trade because they’re different. (The U.S. doesn't grow bananas but other countries do. So, it makes sense to buy their bananas and sell what we grow or manufacture.) Comparative advantage is the biggest reason nations engage in international trade.

It is not the only reason. Another reason is access to supplies and intermediate products needed to make end products. Canada makes cheaper steel because they have cheap hydro-electric power. It makes sense to buy their steel.

A former high-ranking Apple executive once said, “The entire supply chain is in China now,” “You need a thousand rubber gaskets? That’s the factory next door. You need a million screws? That factory is a block away. You need that screw made a little bit different? It will take three hours.”

The point is that manufacturing plants don’t exist in isolation; they benefit a lot from being part of a manufacturing cluster, with specialized suppliers and a large pool of workers with the right skills close at hand. Apple couldn't easily move all that here, even if it wanted to.
Ive already posted the rebuttal to that screed. Tens of MILLIONS of middle income jobs lost due to AMERICAN companies sending those jobs overseas. That has **** all to do with China making rubber gaskets and screws...but even there...a nations leaders have to be pretty ****ing stupid hen they put the core of their nations manufacturing and production in the hands of economic enemies.
 
Ive already posted the rebuttal to that screed. Tens of MILLIONS of middle income jobs lost due to AMERICAN companies sending those jobs overseas. That has **** all to do with China making rubber gaskets and screws...but even there...a nations leaders have to be pretty ****ing stupid hen they put the core of their nations manufacturing and production in the hands of economic enemies.
You have rebutted comparative economics? Lol
 
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"Narcissistic control in government thrives on flipping the script and silencing watchdogs.
Authoritarian leaders, like narcissistic family members, rely on well-worn tactics to manufacture a psychological state of volatile uncertainty — where outcomes aren’t just unknown, but constantly shifting and unpredictable. This overwhelms the brain’s ability to anticipate and prepare, keeping people mentally off-balance and easier to control. The good news: Awareness works like a vaccine, gradually building psychological immunity against further harm."
 
Remember when Republicans were for a free market with as little government interference into the private sector as possible?
I do.

They were massive liars then and they're still massive liars.

I bet as her kids age and get a little wisdom they see their parents for who they really are. At least some of the kids that aren't totally brainwashed.
 
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