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Trump supporters: how bad does the economy have to get before you stop supporting Trump? (2 Viewers)

Trump supporters: how bad does the economy have to get before you stop supporting Trump?

  • I will stop supporting Trump if there is an economic recession.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • I will stop supporting Trump if there is a severe economic depression.

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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There are no deals. The foreign countries keep saying stuff like they have no idea what Trump wants. Things are not being managed well.
Yes there are !
His tariffs are being met with resistance because people are beginning to lose their jobs and closing their businesses.
Yes and those nations that are taking advantage of us with tariffs are responsible for these hardships !
America SHOULD stand up for herself !
Even if the DEM's hate that we are doing so....
 
Yes there are !

Yes and those nations that are taking advantage of us with tariffs are responsible for these hardships !
America SHOULD stand up for herself !
Even if the DEM's hate that we are doing so....
“Reaching out about negotiating” is a bullshit answer.
Were countries willing to negotiate before? Of course.
Are there any actual ‘deals’ now as a result of trump’s tariff war on trade? Not a one so far.
 
Republicans all operate the same way. They don't understand an issue until it personally affects them. If every single morning the news reports the market is tanking and the economy is contracting. They'll brush it aside as 'stupid lib media'. Then one day they'll come into work and be told they are being let go because of Trump's tariffs only then will they realize. It's selfish politics at its core. Same with these illegal deportations and detaining of American citizens. They won't realize until they are the one being detained.
 
“Reaching out about negotiating” is a bullshit answer.
Were countries willing to negotiate before? Of course.
Are there any actual ‘deals’ now as a result of trump’s tariff war on trade? Not a one so far.
Accept for all the 90 day pauses , which are "DEALS" ......

Why do DEM's think that Trump fighting for America is a bad thing (trump’s tariff war on trade)? ....
It's as if you hate America or have such bad TDS that you would rather see America continued to be Harmed than realize Trump is
fight for America !
 
Yes there are !

Yes and those nations that are taking advantage of us with tariffs are responsible for these hardships !
America SHOULD stand up for herself !
Even if the DEM's hate that we are doing so....
Japan is arguably our closest and most important ally. We should have free trade with them. It's bullshit that this even needs negotiations. The status quo was working fine.

Americans love Japanese cars, electronics, and entertainment. It's just a middle finger to all of us who consume these goods to have to pay for these stupid tariffs.
 
Accept for all the 90 day pauses , which are "DEALS" ......
A pause on tariffs? That’s not a deal.

Why do DEM's think that Trump fighting for America is a bad thing (trump’s tariff war on trade)? ....
How is charging Americans more for what we import “fighting for America”? (It’s not.)
Trump has shaved trillions of dollars in value from our markets.
He has told our allies and trade partners that we are not stable or reliable.
He has encouraged investment and partnership with China.
None of this is good for Americans.

It's as if you hate America or have such bad TDS that you would rather see America continued to be Harmed than realize Trump is
fight for America !
We would be much better off if trump had done nothing, played golf, and kept his big mouth shut. So much better off.

Trump has no idea what the hell he is doing.
 
Accept for all the 90 day pauses , which are "DEALS" ......

Why do DEM's think that Trump fighting for America is a bad thing (trump’s tariff war on trade)? ....
It's as if you hate America or have such bad TDS that you would rather see America continued to be Harmed than realize Trump is
fight for America !
Trump is not fighting for America! He cannot even make up his mind from day to day.
You should broaden your media diet because you haven't a clue.
Ask yourself- how are small business ( the alleged backbone of America?) doing w the tariff regime?) Hint - many will be hit hard and go out of business. How about farmers? How long does it take to reshore manufacturing? Who has the skills? Has Trump suggested any forward thinking ideas like training programs?

These facts and more have been discussed in many threads. Where have you been?
 
By calling their senators and congressmen and explaining they no longer support Trump and will show it with their votes next election. Also, by joining forces with the massive resistance. JFTR, there are many reasons other than the economy.

Contrary to how the MAGAts work, we liberals accept anyone into our tent. Come join us and be a part of saving American Democracy.
I would consider voting Democrat if I could see just one Democrat who could be a leader and never be anything like Biden or Kamala with their Progressive losing policies.
 
LOL!!

If I buy a lottery ticket, I'm "investing in my future".

I call buying lottery tickets gambling.

I mean, admittedly, a lot of investment in private securities markets truly does amount to little more than gambling. Especially if you are a day-trader. But would you seriously have us presume you have no retirement accounts beyond cash savings and Social Security, Mycroft?
 
Fox was the only one (first one) who had the list of nations that are in talks with Trump!
Fox is just as trust worthy and more so than CNN , MSNBC/NBC , and many other liberal outlets that are used!
Also you can look in to each country to see if they are or are not in talks.....

FOX is not important ! It how many nations are willing to play fair with America! Right?
Why on earth would you believe a thing FauxNoNews broadcasts. Weren’t they sued and lost a case for lying worth hundreds of millions of dollars?
So how many deals has the felon made so far? Has Xi called him yet? What do you think Powell thinks about the felon’s plan? How’s the stock market doing?
Why does Australia have a tariff on it? We have a trade surplus them. Is that fair?
 
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I mean, admittedly, a lot of investment in private securities markets truly does amount to little more than gambling. Especially if you are a day-trader.
For some reason, people want to think that the actions of those gamblers "is the US economy". They think, when those gamblers panic, the US economy is going down the tubes.

Those people seem to completely ignore the REAL economy...people going about their daily lives, buying and selling and living...Main Street.

It's like those people think only the gamblers matter...not Main Street.

But would you seriously have us presume you have no retirement accounts beyond cash savings and Social Security, Mycroft?
You can presume whatever you like. I don't care. I haven't...and I won't...talk about my personal finances.
 
Yes there are !

Yes and those nations that are taking advantage of us with tariffs are responsible for these hardships !
America SHOULD stand up for herself !
Even if the DEM's hate that we are doing so....

These countries have no choice but to work toward an agreement on something. The fact that individual countries are working with the petulant child in the White House isn't noteworthy. It's a question of what they're negotiating, and for what purpose.

Best case scenario, many/most of these countries renegotiate trade in areas where they have alignment with US strategic interests (i.e., trade imbalances w/ China) and find ways to curb China's more egregious trade abuses. Maybe some manufacturing returns to the US, but this will almost surely raise US consumer prices.

Long term, countries will have no choice but to view the US as an unreliable, unstable 'ally' and trading partner and hedge their risks by building new diplomatic and economic relationships with other countries at our expense and ween themselves away from the dollar-dominated economy. They'd be foolish not to.
 
We could be in the worst depression ever and MAGA would blame Biden and woke policies.

They need to worship Trump. He is their everything.
 
Simple question.

Stock futures down again.

No big deals in site.

Trump does not seem to be backing down from tariffs.

Bond yields rising.

Dollar falling.
Republicans, MAGA won’t ever stop supporting Trump just as democrats didn’t stop supporting Biden due to inflation and rising prices. Republicans trying to get democrats to switch or not to support the president of their party is a total waste of time as vice versa is also true. Democrats trying to get republicans to stop supporting Trump is a total waste. That isn’t about to happen. Democrats should be going after independents, swing voters to stop supporting Trump. Their minds can be changed while republicans and MAGA can’t.

It amazes me that both major parties are always trying to get the other major parties die hard, avid supporters to change their support to opposition. Especially when independents, swing voters, the non-affiliated and less to non-partisan group compromises 43% of the electorate today, up from 30% back in 2006 as both major parties have been shrinking.

History shows that around 90% the party of the president will support their party’s president regardless of what that president does or the situation the country is in. Using averages.

90% of republicans currently approve of the job Trump is doing

88% of democrats approved of the job Biden did

91% of republicans approved of the job Trump did during his first term

89% of democrats approved of the job Obama did

87% of republicans approved of the job G.W. Bush did

91% of democrats approved of the job Bill Clinton did

89% of republicans approved of the job G.H.W. Bush did

92% of republicans approved of the job Reagan did

You have to go back to Jimmy Carter where support from the president’s party really took a nosedive. Jimmy over his 4 years in office averaged only a 65% job approval from democrats. Reagan in 1980 not only won in a landslide, 27% of democrats voted for Ronnie.
 
LOL!!

If I buy a lottery ticket, I'm "investing in my future".

I call buying lottery tickets gambling.
I invest in broad index funds and am down in the figures. Investing for your retirement and future isn’t buying a lottery ticket, it’s everyone’s responsibility so that they aren’t a future burden on their family and the taxpayers.
 
good gawd .... its appalling after the first 18 months of Biden some of the responses here

18 months of crushing price surges/inflation, 800,000 dead from covid, and horrible border security , all the senile episodes by Joe ..... and every Biden was singing his praises :( never waivering


THAT is a Cult to the very definition of the word .... had Biden asked people to drink Kool-aid they would have without question
 
It sure is going to be interesting to see just how insane Trump can get in the next 4 years and watch as his fans back him regardless.

How about a 300% tarrif on anything from China?
Maybe nuke a few US cities for daring to assert states rights?
Finally having a full-on coronation and crowning himself King and Emperor for life?

Where will Mycroft draw the line?
 
I don't think relief is as simple as unwinding the tariffs. MAGA has put us in a more challenging position than they (and we) likely realize. The ultimatum given is that other countries have a 90-day window to appease MAGA Jesus and coordinate what constitutes a global embargo against our strategic competitor, China. What's not said is that we've given trade negotiators 90 days to strike trade deals with dozens of countries at the same time. That's a lot of moving parts to keep track of...for people who really are in over their heads.

Let's assume for a moment that the WH is being truthful and these countries are crawling on hands and knees, begging for a deal. Let's start with the fact that this isn't an administration that reads the fine print. Nor is it an administration that seems to understand how global trade actually works, so the likelihood that they agree to something that we later find disadvantageous to US interests is significant. We likely won't know - and the administration likely won't understand - the full implications of what they're doing until after an agreement has been reached. Won't surprise me if there are consequences they've overlooked and it's then the US that goes back to (name the country) insisting that they rework whatever these stooges ****ed up. Thinking they had a deal, whichever countries are asked to renegotiate are going to feel like suckers and it just damages our credibility to the point that nobody can take our word for shit.

If global investors begin to get the idea that the US economy is now in the hands of highly interventionist people who don't really understand the consequences of their actions, we're going to see a lot of capital flight.

Well put.
 
Republicans, MAGA won’t ever stop supporting Trump just as democrats didn’t stop supporting Biden due to inflation and rising prices. Republicans trying to get democrats to switch or not to support the president of their party is a total waste of time as vice versa is also true. Democrats trying to get republicans to stop supporting Trump is a total waste. That isn’t about to happen. Democrats should be going after independents, swing voters to stop supporting Trump. Their minds can be changed while republicans and MAGA can’t.

It amazes me that both major parties are always trying to get the other major parties die hard, avid supporters to change their support to opposition. Especially when independents, swing voters, the non-affiliated and less to non-partisan group compromises 43% of the electorate today, up from 30% back in 2006 as both major parties have been shrinking.

History shows that around 90% the party of the president will support their party’s president regardless of what that president does or the situation the country is in. Using averages.

90% of republicans currently approve of the job Trump is doing

88% of democrats approved of the job Biden did

91% of republicans approved of the job Trump did during his first term

89% of democrats approved of the job Obama did

87% of republicans approved of the job G.W. Bush did

91% of democrats approved of the job Bill Clinton did

89% of republicans approved of the job G.H.W. Bush did

92% of republicans approved of the job Reagan did

You have to go back to Jimmy Carter where support from the president’s party really took a nosedive. Jimmy over his 4 years in office averaged only a 65% job approval from democrats. Reagan in 1980 not only won in a landslide, 27% of democrats voted for Ronnie.

I remember last year when it became clear Biden was not mentally fit enough to be President for another term. The Democratic Party replaced him.

In the present case, the damage being caused is so immediate and so severe that the business community in the U.S. is turning against Trump. Investors, CEOs, business owners of business large and small, are figuring out Trump doesn't know what he's doing.

Your point is 100% accurate within the time period you're describing.

But even partisanship has its limits. We have to go back much further for a comparable example: the Great Depression, when Hoover’s own party deserted him as the crisis deepened.
 
For some reason, people want to think that the actions of those gamblers "is the US economy". They think, when those gamblers panic, the US economy is going down the tubes.

Those people seem to completely ignore the REAL economy...people going about their daily lives, buying and selling and living...Main Street.

It's like those people think only the gamblers matter...not Main Street.

This is an outrageously hyper-partisan post that ignores the reality of the economy we all live and work in.

The stock market sets a company’s share price and overall value. While most trading is just investors swapping shares and doesn’t send money to the company, a higher share price makes it easier for the company to raise cash by issuing new shares or borrowing, which it can use to grow and hire more workers.

When stock prices suddenly fall, companies often pull back on new projects or let people go, which impacts the jobs and services we all use. Saying that Wall Street panics have nothing to do with everyday life ignores the fact that businesses depend on market funding to operate.

The stock market itself is also a signal. People are converting their assets to cash because they think the economy is headed for a severe recession.

The market and Main Street work together, not apart, so the idea that only gamblers don't matter and only "real people" matter is simply wrong. It's based on a false premise. Everyone is gambling. Everyone is gambling all the time. If you have a wage or salary job with company, you're gambling the company's not going to go belly up the next day!

It's important to remember, also, all capitalist economic activity is based on trying to make predictions about the future (i.e. gambling).

Gambling is not a dirty word. And the exciting prospect of making money on an uncertain business venture is what makes people get out of the bed in the morning. This is why people do business. This is what drove Trump to do his businesses. He had no idea if his projects would succeed or fail. In fact, he failed numerous times. And when Trump filmed his first pilot episode for The Apprentice, the only project he ever engaged in that was truly successful, he had no idea it would be successful! This is what excited Elon Musk to make his electric car company. Musk had no idea Tesla would be a success, in fact, he almost went bankrupt several times.

The entire economy is based on the notion of making a bet. So knock it off with this idea that gamblers aren't important, they are who drive the economy. You just think someone who has already become successful wasn't ever gambling in the first place, and that's not true. They were gambling the whole time from beginning to end.

Furthermore, we have more data aside from the information related to stock prices. All of the economic data and economic news indicates coming out recently indicates we are heading in the wrong direction, fast. Jobs are being cut. Projects are being cancelled. Manufacturing is down. Prices are up. The survey data is terrible. All of this data is not connected to the actual stock market, and all of this data is giving us more signals that Trump ****ed up and he ****ed up big time.
 
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Really...you didn't know that the majority of countries had tariffs on American products....really?
LOL Apparently either do you! The tariffs Trump is putting on other nations are nowhere near the tariffs they have on the US.
 
One: Other countries putting tariffs on us was a reaction to Trump imposing tariffs to begin with.
Two: I'm not a Democrat.

Anything else you'd like to be wrong about?
Other countries have had tariffs on US products for ever...Do you know you will only find few, if any, American cars in Japan, China, India, UK or the EU. Try to find an American car in Australia or New Zealand. Tariffs and regulations that's why.
Even Canada imposes a high tariff on American dairy and lumber products.
 

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