TRUMP SLAMS SMITHSONIAN FOR HARPING ON HOW ‘HOW BAD SLAVERY WAS’

[Luce]

You seem much more unhinged than a black person

 

[Jagged]

While it's true that some black people fought on the side of the Union, the overwhelming majority of those who put their lives on the line to end slavery were white. It was more than, "some." It was millions, of whom hundreds of thousands died.

Well the ratio of whites versus blacks was, like today, very heavily tilted towards whites. Regardless, blacks fought. Regardless, it wasn't only whites fighting the Confederacy.

 

[Desert Storm]

when did slavery rape jokes become funny for you?

When it was over 150 years ago

 

[Desert Storm]

This is how MAGAs get their laughs.

Don't hold it against them. They face very real limitations

Keep virtue signaling

 

[Nickyjo]

More running the same old fake news, phony scandal scam for the Orange Man Bad true believers. Here is the actual quote from the linked article.

"The Museums throughout Washington, but all over the Country are, essentially, the last remaining segment of ‘WOKE,’” he wrote Tuesday on Truth Social. “The Smithsonian is OUT OF CONTROL, where everything discussed is how horrible our Country is, how bad Slavery was, and how unaccomplished the downtrodden have been — Nothing about Success, nothing about Brightness, nothing about the Future.”

Of course hysterical pearl clutching Democrats claim anything less than a project 1619 obsession with slavery is whitewashing.

Explain just how the Smithsonian is out of control and I’ll unclutch my pearls.

 

[Luce]

Keep virtue signaling

I'm not virtue signalling, I am engaging in open mockery.

I didn't actually expect that to be understood. See above mentioned limitations.

 

[Fearandloathing]

It's much more than concern over it returning. It's understanding the history of Blacks in America. If you don't teach slavery how do you teach Jin Crow, desegregation, civil rights and voting rights? Should all that history be ignored?

To ignore the past is to repeat it.

Someone said that.....

Maybe it was me. I'm near 80 and have smoked high grade pot for over 60 years so who would know?

 

[Luce]

To ignore the past is to repeat it.

Someone said that.....

Maybe it was me. I'm near 80 and have smoked high grade pot for over 60 years so who would know?

Alphonse Carr.

Or you.

One or the other.

 

[Fearandloathing]

Slavery isn't an episode in American history. The slave trade had a huge impact on history, a huge role in shaping how the world developed into what it is today.
It's not a scab on your knee.
And pretending that the scab on your knee is as bad as it gets is ignoring how enormously harmful slavery was. The world is still feeling the harm.

In Ontario, south of Leamington along the Lake Erie shore there is a series of posts, giant posts, angling crookedly out of the water. I assume they are still there these many years later. If you go to the Leamington library you will learn these posts were driven into the lake bed for the purpose of tying up barges...barges loaded with escaped slaves who were being hunted by troops from Detroit.

The people rowing the boats that towed the barges were afraid to be discovered,so they cut the barges lose away from shore and let them drift in. No one has any record of how many or who died. These posts and articles from the library were the source of my first television report.

In Halifax, Nova Scotia there is the first statue ever erected for a black person, as locals opened their homes to hide escaped slaves being hunted by American troops.

American slavery affected the entire world.

 

[GIJane]

Having read all 26 pages of whing and bitching, I would say:

Yes, slavery was bad. It was bad when the Israelites were enslaved by the Egyptians, it was bad in the colonies/states and it's bad now in modern day Africa. It's always been bad. Too my knowledge no one is enslaved at this time, unless you count the economic slavery Dem have put on the inner cities by promising the moon and delivery zilch.
Dems have continued to harp on slavery because, it's (like most things they harp on) simply a reoccurring talking point. Oddly in 1865, Dems were in favor of slavery and Pubs freed them. Granted things have evolved, which is proof that evolution doesn't always work. As to the OP. it would seem the Smithy is pushing the agenda and pushing aside anything that might be positive. I don't see people bitching about the treatment of Native Aboriginals, women not getting the vote, Chinese as virtual slave in the push to build the railroads. People have a LOT to bitch about. I prefer to keep my bitching to current events, since we can't go back and change history.

 

[ElChupacabra]

But that doesn't happen. It did happen over a generation ago ...

Did the benefits of those policies end there, or was the advantage and wealth created still benefit the groups who gained from them?

Possibly, but whether we collapse from a loss of people, or we collapse by continuing to add people to the 'do not pay' side of the equation, failure is the same. And one doesn't require the others to pay for the have nots.

The demographic risk of reduced birth rate is more of a threat than anything we're doing to help those in need.

It is exactly that mindset. Don't look to the past, we aren't going that way. It hasn't happened to anyone alive, by anyone alive.

We're not going to agree here, because to not factor the past makes no sense in trying to correct the inequalities that resulted from it.

Theoretically that sounds grand, and universally accepted. Like DEI though, in practice it is discrimination.

It isn't. Much of the complaining has been centered around the perception white Americans are going to be disadvantaged, which is inaccurate.

 

[Desert Storm]

I'm not virtue signalling, I am engaging in open mockery.

I didn't actually expect that to be understood. See above mentioned limitations

Just by going your comments and other liberals comments in this forum, you guys on the Left really think (generally speaking) you're better human beings than right-wingers, don't you??

 

[reflechissez]

Slavery for slaves is/was bad.

Slaves also learned skills that they carried beyond slavery, when it ended.

The learning of those skills is a good thing, which, of course, doesn't negate the fact that slavery is/was bad.

The inability by most of you to see beyond the end of your noses never ceases to astound me.

Um...ok

 

[Cope]

Sure, and by that standard the US should renege all 1st Nation agreements and re-assume their our lands....we don't owe them anything either, especially since they had next to no contribution to the US's economic gains.....if anything they were are a burden.

Being better includes self delusions about recompense.

I don't know what this has to do with what I said.

No one is OWED anything, except when you agree to owe someone something for a service provided to you.
I have no self delusions about recompense, others here however do.

 

[Cope]

Do you think:

a) slaves preferred being slaves since they learned skills they would not have learned in Africa? Or;

b) slaves would have preferred being free in Africa, not knowing skills obtainable in America?

And ultimately that is the problem, you, and many others try to turn it into a binary question.

It isn't, BOTH can be true, as I stated.

I think most folks, if they were descendants of slaves would prefer to be/stay here, regardless how they got here or what their ancestors went through, then to be placed back in Africa.

 

[Cope]

Did the benefits of those policies end there, or was the advantage and wealth created still benefit the groups who gained from them?

We don't know, or have the means to even attempt to quantify them. For some, certainly. For others, maybe. Even more, no.

The demographic risk of reduced birth rate is more of a threat than anything we're doing to help those in need.

Not really, with a finite money supply (and it is finite no matter that we can print it ourselves), both end up the same place.

We're not going to agree here, because to not factor the past makes no sense in trying to correct the inequalities that resulted from it.

We have already done that. We already factored in the past, we already attempted to correct for the past inequalities. It was time to stop, so we did. NOW, it is time to move on, but some folks cannot let it go, it will NEVER be enough.

It isn't. Much of the complaining has been centered around the perception white Americans are going to be disadvantaged, which is inaccurate.

To me, it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the stopping of artificial props and allowing people to stand, grow, and succeed on their own merits. Only then, will we move on, and allow those disenfranchised groups to get better. If we keep telling them that they haven't been helped enough, or that nothing was done for them, they RELY on you.
The reliance is what is stopping them from succeeding on their own

 

[Jagged]

And ultimately that is the problem, you, and many others try to turn it into a binary question.

It isn't, BOTH can be true, as I stated.

I think most folks, if they were descendants of slaves would prefer to be/stay here, regardless how they got here or what their ancestors went through, then to be placed back in Africa.

My query wasn't about slaves' descendants. It was about the slaves themselves. Slaves were often subject to horrific beatings and rapes by their slave owners. Being legally categorized as property, and not people, had no legal recourse. Who would want to be exposed to that possibility, on top of the other horrific aspects of slavery, over being free in their home country?

 

[reflechissez]

I firmly believe that in order to end discrimination, we have to stop discriminating. I also firmly believe in personal responsibility in bettering yourself, and your loved ones.

Currently, some groups fail to take that mantel of responsibility and it has been allowed, and excused, for so long that they are finding it damn near impossible to do so. At some point, the excuses have to stop and only then will they start to succeed at rates equal to the rest of the country. We will all be better off for it, when that happens.

I firmly believe that you firmly believe that wealth disparities between black and white people is the fault of black people being irresponsible.

 

[reflechissez]

They have the power, we all do, to be successful in this country REGARDLESS of economic situation.
Education. Crime. Delayed Baby making/gratification.

Sigh. If your white ancestors have/had home equity because they were able to own and pass on property to their heirs, they/you are far better off than your black counterparts who were prevented from doing so. There is no catching up; wealth compounds.

 

[NWRatCon]

You really need to get a grasp of the argument at hand, the racist delusions of crime in US cities is being used by Donny to justify his use of federal troops. His crime delusions are figments of his imagination, the use of troops is pure authoritarian intimidation of US dem govts.

Really black government. I've yet to see him call out a city that isn't run by a black mayor. He, like your correspondent, is just an unadulterated racist. The MAGA project is the reestablishment of Jim Crow, only on a national basis, like Woodrow Wilson. It's the entire GOP, really. Some are just less subtle about it.

 

[NWRatCon]

I firmly believe that you firmly believe that wealth disparities between black and white people is the fault of black people being irresponsible.

Any trope that implies racial inferiority is acceptable. It's the MAGA way.

 

[NWRatCon]

To ignore the past is to repeat it

To repeat past mistakes is the MAGA platform. Tariffs, redlining, military occupation, robber barony... the list is long.

 

[AZRWinger]

And the factories in the north that used cotton in the textile industries and the supporting industries that grew around slavery where's the calculation for all of that?

Again, you bring no facts to the discussion just empty rhetoric.

I note the absence of any comment on the Smithsonian deceptive claim. Complaining is so much easier than admitting Trump is right.

 

[AZRWinger]

Explain just how the Smithsonian is out of control and I’ll unclutch my pearls.

See post 525 in this thread.

Explain how the Democrat party's support for slavery is conveniently ignored.

 

[ElChupacabra]

We don't know, or have the means to even attempt to quantify them. For some, certainly. For others, maybe. Even more, no.

Sure we do, in much the same way we can quantify the gains those who weren't discriminated against were able to thrive.

Not really, with a finite money supply (and it is finite no matter that we can print it ourselves), both end up the same place.

This is why providing more opportunities to those in the lower end of the economic tiers is a way out. Telling them to be more responsible doesn't really do much.

We have already done that. We already factored in the past, we already attempted to correct for the past inequalities. It was time to stop, so we did. NOW, it is time to move on, but some folks cannot let it go, it will NEVER be enough.

How was that determination made? It certainly wasn't a data based approach where one would define the metrics for success and then decide. The decision was made as part of the idiotic "war on woke" rather than facts. Of course what stands out here is the logic is horribly flawed in that it assumes 60 years of AA was going to do 100 years of racial discrimination that stunted the development of post Civil War black Americans.

What I've found interesting is some apply this "let it go" mentality for some groups and not others. I'm sure if one were to apply it to other groups like the Jews, there would be strong backlash against it. Not that I think it's the right thing to do, of course, but pointing out the differences in how some choose to react to the trauma of others when they themselves have not been a product of that kind of cultural trauma.

To me, it has nothing to do with that. It has to do with the stopping of artificial props and allowing people to stand, grow, and succeed on their own merits. Only then, will we move on, and allow those disenfranchised groups to get better. If we keep telling them that they haven't been helped enough, or that nothing was done for them, they RELY on you.
The reliance is what is stopping them from succeeding on their own

Outside of the warped view promoted by some in this country, DEI was promoting exactly that. I'm not sure where and how some people got the idea merit didn't play a role in how people were selected for jobs etc., but the implementation of this program did not exclude merit at all. This made even less sense in the private sector where employers are not going to hurt themselves by hiring people not qualified for the position.

From a historical perspective I've always found this idea of individualism and "bootstraps" mentality a bit odd considering the programs the government provided throughout its history to allow for some people to prosper and not others. Whether it was the acquisition of property wealth through the Homestead Act at the exclusion of Native and black Americans, to programs like the GI Bill where black Americans were not able to gain the same educational benefits, the "bootstraps" mentality falls a bit flat when the government had its fingers on the scale for one group, so there wasn't the kind of competition that would have come about naturally for all groups.