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Trump Shifts Deportation Focus, Pausing Raids on Farms, Hotels and Eateries

Gimmesometruth said:
Absurdist theorizing in the reality of the many willfully contempt actions taken by the admin in violation of court orders from Garcia to NIH funding. The place is burning down while you say the fireplace has embers. This is not some single play by the admin but a total assault on all post WWII institutions, save the DoD. Don has violated the oath so many times it is not funny, but this is all on top of the fact that he keeps using the same ploy with his base. He promised to deport millions, now he can't get there without a massive police state action AND the crushing of agriculture, big and small, so he is TACOing on the cheap labor assaults.....except in CA where he has to maintain the example....as long as the courts allow....as long as he follows the courts.
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If my comment is "absurdist theorizing" yours is simple (and I mean that in all possible ways) partisan politics.

What's "burning down" are the ultra-left gains in the bureaucracy and the Democrat Party. It must hurt to be part of such a losing situation.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
But the enforcement is not temporary, unless you are TACOing....again
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No, the enforcement is not temporary. But the drop in tourism is. As people in other countries see America getting safer, the present small drop in tourism will recover quite nicely.
 
CANON said:
Why would I ask someone else to explain what you meant in your statement?




No, I've read the whole discussion, it was your statement that didn't make any sense.

Foreign travelers are not going to just accept that they might not be admitted into the US because they made a critical statement about a politician, or risk being arbitrarily detained by CBP when entering the country; tourists will spend their money visiting some other country that doesn't present the same risk or frustration.

Once a tourist is turned off from visiting somewhere and decides to travel elsewhere, that revenue may never come back. Three and a half more years of tRump may cripple tourism for far longer than you think.
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Since Trump uttered "51st State" Canadian travel to the US has been in steady decline, latest I saw was a drop of 78%.

That's permanent, according to polls.

The stupid prick has angered so many people your tourism sector is going to crash, and fail with a lack of manpower AT THE SAME TIME!

Now, internal Canadian tourism, trips to Mexico, St Pierre et Michelon and even Europe are up by hundreds of percentiles.

Type "Blaine, Washington" into your browser and see the permanent damage your president has done to YOU in his personal vendetta against Trudeau. Moron Trump is still pissed about "we will not be pushed around" even though the author of the remark is long gone and it was a decade ago
 
RetiredAtLast said:
If my comment is "absurdist theorizing" yours is simple (and I mean that in all possible ways) partisan politics.
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the irony....
RetiredAtLast said:
What's "burning down" are the ultra-left gains in the bureaucracy
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Raygunite neocons cheer on the trumper fascists
RetiredAtLast said:
and the Democrat Party.
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Those that need strongmen say shit like this, we showed up on No Kings day, your lot knows what the results have been and will be going forward.
RetiredAtLast said:
It must hurt to be part of such a losing situation.
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We are all losing, except for the fascists....but they you won't win
 
What if...? said:
So you haven’t read any of the posts here where various professionals have been erroneously detained/deported? Os seen the drop in tourism out of fear of same?
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You're quite a bit behind on the discussion. A brief update:
Some people have been detained by mistake, but - unfortunately - that's bound to happen when 10 or 15 million completely un-vetted people are allowed into the country and the task of removing them is so huge.

The drop in tourism is temporary. It'll pick up again as foreign tourists see that our country is a safer place to visit because we've started enforcing our laws.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
No, the enforcement is not temporary. But the drop in tourism is. As people in other countries see America getting safer, the present small drop in tourism will recover quite nicely.
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No, if the enforcement remains, if the atmosphere remains, you will not see a "nice" recovery before the end of this term, whatever bullshit standard you use.

We have already gone over the fact that the US domestic population is far more criminal than the undocumented population, you just have zero standing, no basis to make an argument on.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
No, it isn't. The oath reads,
"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

To preserve, protect and defend the Constitution requires enforcing the laws of the country that are passed under that Constitution. Trump enforces those laws, even if Democrats don't like it, with our immigration laws being a major focus today.

The single arbiter of what's legal under our Constitution, is the Supreme Court. Trump does what he believes is necessary to enforce those laws. Others react in one of two ways. They either rant, piss and moan because he doesn't cave in to what they want him to do, or they sue. Suing brings the dispute where it belongs so that the Constitutionality of the action or the law is confirmed or, if not confirmed, serves as a guide to the Legislative and Administrative branches to revise the law.

IOW, testing a law or an action doesn't violate the oath. By clarifying the law, it strengthens the Constitution.
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Preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution also means not taking actions that violate the Constitution.

And while the SC is the final arbiter on Constitutionality it is not the only one. Presidents have a duty to not take actions that they suspect violate the Constitution or federal law. They can't just do things and hope the courts play ball. As
originally conceived the President's primary use of the veto was to veto legislation they believed
to be unconstitutional and in fact Washington did just that.

Of course that changed somewhat with Marbury v Madison but Presidents are still oathbound
to not act in unconstitutional ways.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
Raygunite neocons cheer on the trumper fascists
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Simple-minded buzz-word wasted space.
Gimmesometruth said:
Those that need strongmen say shit like this, we showed up on No Kings day, your lot knows what the results have been and will be going forward.
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It's about time we had a strong personality in the White House. Yeah, you showed up at the bidding of money interests that have you dancing in the streets to their tune. You can't even see when you're being used by people you don't know. The results of all that sign waving will be even more defections from support for the left as people see things like this:
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Simple-minded buzz-word wasted space.

It's about time we had a strong personality in the White House. Yeah, you showed up at the bidding of money interests that have you dancing in the streets to their tune. You can't even see when you're being used by people you don't know. The results of all that sign waving will be even more defections from support for the left as people see things like this:
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"You shouldn't get angry at us fascist because you will make someone late for work"
 
Gimmesometruth said:
"You shouldn't get angry at us fascist because you will make someone late for work"
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I have an issue with the interviewer making it a racial issue.

I didn't see it as a black-white issue but an issue of privilege over rights.

So she's going to be late for work. Shit happens
 
Gaius46 said:
Preserving, protecting and defending the Constitution also means not taking actions that violate the Constitution.

And while the SC is the final arbiter on Constitutionality it is not the only one. Presidents have a duty to not take actions that they suspect violate the Constitution or federal law. They can't just do things and hope the courts play ball. As
originally conceived the President's primary use of the veto was to veto legislation they believed
to be unconstitutional and in fact Washington did just that.

Of course that changed somewhat with Marbury v Madison but Presidents are still oathbound
to not act in unconstitutional ways.
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All that assumes that the President takes on the role of deciding what's Constitutional. It's a very well-recognized practice to test laws in court, for the purpose of obtaining an authoritative decision on Constitutionality. I'm of the opinion that Trump believes he has the lawful authority to do what he does and, because of that, cites the authority in his E.O.'s. By doing so he has demonstrated his belief in the Constitutionality of his acts. It's then up to those who disagree to bring the question to the courts.

And the use of the veto only applies to bills that are presented to a President for signature into law. There is no veto power over existing laws of prior President's acts.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
You're quite a bit behind on the discussion. A brief update:
Some people have been detained by mistake, but - unfortunately - that's bound to happen when 10 or 15 million completely un-vetted people are allowed into the country and the task of removing them is so huge.

The drop in tourism is temporary. It'll pick up again as foreign tourists see that our country is a safer place to visit because we've started enforcing our laws.
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Ummm. The fear is being detained/jailed/sent to the gulag by mistake as ICE tries to meet arbitrary quotas.
 
Fearandloathing said:
I have an issue with the interviewer making it a racial issue.

I didn't see it as a black-white issue but an issue of privilege over rights.

So she's going to be late for work. Shit happens
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White House Trump policy has been to enrich himself and his cronies when they cooperate, Retired argues No Kings marchers serve monied interests.

He is artistic in being able to suspend logic that way, I'm always impressed.
 
Gimmesometruth said:
White House Trump policy has been to enrich himself and his cronies when they cooperate, Retired argues No Kings marchers serve monied interests.

He is artistic in being able to suspend logic that way, I'm always impressed.
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A talent of the very stupid
 
What if...? said:
Ummm. The fear is being detained/jailed/sent to the gulag by mistake as ICE tries to meet arbitrary quotas.
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Someone who can show a current, non-expired tourist visa don't need to fear that, as I think they'll come to realize.
 
RetiredAtLast said:
Someone who can show a current, non-expired tourist visa don't need to fear that, as I think they'll come to realize.
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....and so long as their social media posts do not conflict with current admin views.....and please unlock your phone and laptop thank you.
 
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