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Trump screams and curses at Zelensky for refusing to surrender to Putin

Tigerace117 said:
The Russians didn’t force America to crush democracy after democracy. The US chose to do so.

The US basically hasn’t gone a year of its existence without being involved in an armed conflict somewhere, which makes the posturing about Europeans not being able to settle their differences peacefully rather silly.
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The US didn’t force Russia to crush democracy after democracy either. Russia chose to do so.

Russia basically hasn’t gone a year of its existence without being involved in an armed conflict somewhere.

What exactly did the US do to make the Europeans start two world wars? The US had more internal issues at that time than any major foreign entanglements, especially involving all of Europe. And Russia had more to do with it than the US. Our physical isolation helped us to stay out of those conflicts until our help was needed when war finally broke out.
 
Tigerace117 said:
If you compare the two’s track record the U.S. looks significantly worse, especially given its support for countries like apartheid South Africa, which was working on forcibly sterilizing its entire non white population.
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I don’t see it at all. Your scorecard is way off.
 
The big question now is, will Trump run an AI video of himself shitting all over the Ukranian people.
 
devildavid said:
The US didn’t force Russia to crush democracy after democracy either. Russia chose to do so.

Russia basically hasn’t gone a year of its existence without being involved in an armed conflict somewhere.

What exactly did the US do to make the Europeans start two world wars? The US had more internal issues at that time than any major foreign entanglements, especially involving all of Europe. And Russia had more to do with it than the US. Our physical isolation helped us to stay out of those conflicts until our help was needed when war finally broke out.
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The only democracy Russia ever crushed was Czechoslovakia. That’s it.

Every single other regime they helped overthrow was either a dictatorship(Cuba, the various Eastern European regimes like Romania and Hungary, South Africa, etc) or a colonial one(Angola and Mozambique, Vietnam, etc).

Blindly mimicking what I said because you can’t actually come up with your own argument is nonsensical

Well gee, for starters the U.S. refusing to join the League of Nations in the interwar period ensured it would be too weak to actually carry out its supposed role.

And trying to pretend like the U.S. chose to get involved—- rather than being attacked by a third party— is rather sad.
 
Bullseye said:
Would you prefer continual bombing or Ukraine civilians?
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No, I would prefer a president with some integrity and balls to tell Putin to go f*** himself and get out of Ukraine or else, and actually mean or else. No TACO.
 
devildavid said:
Trump is definitely the problem in that Putin owns him. Trump never makes good on any of his threats against Russia. Russia is in the wrong and could end this easily by withdrawing their invading troops from Ukraine. Trump hasn’t got the balls to insist on this because he gave them to Putin.
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Trump has been serving at the pleasure of his master, Putin since before his first term. It's been obvious to all of us, except for his brainwashed ignorant cultists, that he's been doing nothing but stalling for time.

The cowardly bastard would just as soon give all the weapons needed to Putin, to finish off the Ukrainians and gain power. Trump has been Putin's useful idiot for a long time, very sad to see Ukraine suffering like this for so long, and other countries being targeted also.

The US is shit with trump in office, trump is the lowest form of scum. He's such a psychotic egotistical loser, that he sucks on war criminals like Putin and Netanyahu and has wet dreams of being just like them someday.

He doesn't give a damn about our country, our democracy and our people. He cares only about himself and he ****in' lies, people, he lies every single day for personal gain. Whoever does not see that, is either an moron or a full blown magat trump/Putin sucker. Traitors, trash.

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dockside said:
No, I would prefer a president with some integrity and balls to tell Putin to go f*** himself and get out of Ukraine or else, and actually mean or else. No TACO.
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“Or else” what?

I get America is terrible at diplomacy, but ultimatums to nuclear powers are not a smart idea.
 
lynnwinslow said:
FIY, Trump has been in office for more than 24 hours.

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Trump's promises are like Putin's promises, are like Netanyahu's promises, etc. They are worth shit, because all these war criminals lie. All who work for them lie for them. Scum of the earth.
 
Luce said:
The Ukrainians beg to differ.

How's gas prices and availability in Russia right now?

IMPORTING fuel, you say? I thought they were the world's gas station?
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The great irony is that Trump told Zelensky that the Russian economy was booming because Putin told him that. He is not just a liar he also takes Putin's lies seriously.
 
Tigerace117 said:
There’s a pretty wide gap between doing literally nothing and demanding a nuclear power do what you want “or else”.
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Yes we all need to bow to Putin because he has nukes. Russia has had nukes forever and we have never bowed to them. Why should we start now? They know they will be annihilated if they try to use their nukes.
 
iguanaman said:
Yes we all need to bow to Putin because he has nukes. Russia has had nukes forever and we have never bowed to them. Why should we start now?
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The U.S. came to numerous diplomatic agreements with Russia over the last sixty plus years. The U.S. issuing ultimatums to Russia, on the other hand, was avoided specifically because the U.S. was smart enough to realize it was a terrible idea
 
Tigerace117 said:
The U.S. came to numerous diplomatic agreements with Russia over the last sixty plus years. The U.S. issuing ultimatums to Russia, on the other hand, was avoided specifically because the U.S. was smart enough to realize it was a terrible idea
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Telling Russia to return to their borders is not an ultimatum and neither is asking them to obey international law.
 
iguanaman said:
Telling Russia to return to their borders is not an ultimatum and neither is asking them to obey international law.
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The US very vocally refuses to abide by international law, so demanding anyone else should is deeply comical.

And yes, demanding a country “return to its borders” is a pretty clear ultimatum
 
Tigerace117 said:
“Or else” what?

I get America is terrible at diplomacy, but ultimatums to nuclear powers are not a smart idea.
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Where did I even mention nuclear in my post? I didn't, didn't mean to imply it, and you can't say I did.
 
Tigerace117 said:
The US very vocally refuses to abide by international law, so demanding anyone else should is deeply comical.
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What’s comical is your willingness to say anything to show your support of Putin.

Tigerace117 said:
And yes, demanding a country “return to its borders” is a pretty clear ultimatum
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But invading your neighbor is just fine.

Give it up, your game is getting boring.
 
dockside said:
Where did I even mention nuclear in my post? I didn't, didn't mean to imply it, and you can't say I did.
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dockside said:
No, I would prefer a president with some integrity and balls to tell Putin to go f*** himself and get out of Ukraine or else, and actually mean or else. No TACO.
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Russia has a massive nuclear arsenal, in case you hadn’t noticed.

So, again….”or else” what?
 
NJBob said:
What’s comical is your willingness to say anything to show your support of Putin.


But invading your neighbor is just fine.

Give it up, your game is getting boring.
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It is hypocritical in the extreme for the United States, a country which has a law on the books authorizing the president to take any means necessary to free American war criminals being held by The Hague, to posture about international law.

The U.S. has recently threatened to attack both of its direct neighbors.
 
Bullseye said:
Or, just maybe, he's just hoping of peace. Maybe Z-man is the problem?
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Putin and Trump are the problem and they think they can rule the world together. They will find that both our countries will fall instead. Making deals with Putin is making deals with the devil.
 
iguanaman said:
Putin and Trump are the problem and they think they can rule the world together. They will find that both our countries will fall instead. Making deals with Putin is making deals with the devil.
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All I can say
Cuckoo.webp
 
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