Trump screams and curses at Zelensky for refusing to surrender to Putin

[Helix]

Did anyone actually think that he was going to go against Putin? Come on.

 

[Bullseye]

Yeah, people who don't want to hurt our own families by allowing fascism to take over.

And continually display minuscule understanding of fascism. Facism was all about the power of the state and the obeisance of the population; so is the Democratic Party platform.

 

[otto105]

Delusion is curable, seek help.

I’m not in a cult.

I hear your moving to Jonestown. When you leaving?

 

[otto105]

From your position the target isn't even in sight.

Nope, I'm firmly rooted in reality.

Where is that?

 

[CaughtInThe]

And continually display minuscule understanding of fascism. Facism was all about the power of the state and the obeisance of the population; so is the Democratic Party platform.

Dude, you can lie from now till kingdom come about the fascism that MAGA is pushing but it's not gonna work.

Hell, why do you think so many Americans are pissed and trying to save democracy for their own kids/grandkids.

 

[Tigerace117]

Not an invasion fleet, but support ships.

Damn, that was when America was just getting out of the Red Scare used by republicans as a political tool.

An aircraft carrier and task force is more than just simple “support”. It was a clear threat to try and get Brazilians in line with the coup.

 

[Pyrite]

Did anyone actually think that he was going to go against Putin? Come on.

That Republican politicians and donors have allowed / allow trump to remake the GOP into the party of putin will never cease to astound me.

 

[otto105]

An aircraft carrier and task force is more than just simple “support”. It was a clear threat to try and get Brazilians in line with the coup.

I’m not going to deny our very bad history when it comes to Central and South America, but after the failure of the Bay of Pigs no way did we have a fleet offshore.

Our country was gearing up for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution in southern Indonesia.

 

[Bodi]

The Interent and 24/7 news is going to absolutely **** up democracy because there is always something for people to bitch about and hate. It is ridiculous. Even when there is not much there is something to latch onto. It is sad as shit.


.

 

[Juin]

The preference is Russia withdrawing from their unprovoked invasion of a sovereign country. Both Russia and Ukraine would benefit equally from this.

That's not the Russian preference. A western preference does not translate automatically to the preference.

 

[Bullseye]

Dude, you can lie from now till kingdom come about the fascism that MAGA is pushing but it's not gonna work.
Hell, why do you think so many Americans are pissed and trying to save democracy for their own kids/grandkids.

You clearly don't understand who fascism is; reads like Dem platform right down the line: coverment controls the people; the government is supreme.

 

[devildavid]

I already listed five. How many more do you want?

Oh, so you are admitting the U.S. is every bit as bad as Russia?

The Cold War led to bad actions on both sides of it. Russia was just as bad as the US. Do you admit that? All you do is whine about the US. It takes two to tango, and neither side has clean hands. The US was pulled into all this because of the failure of European countries to settle their disputes peacefully. It all started in WWI. We were neutral up to that point.

 

[Lovebug]

Or, just maybe, he's just hoping of peace. Maybe Z-man is the problem?

Could be Putin invading a country plus the fact that the felon has egg on his face because he didn't end the war on day one.

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Who needs the truth when you can just make it up!!

 

[devildavid]

You clearly don't understand who fascism is; reads like Dem platform right down the line: coverment controls the people; the government is supreme.

No, it is quite clear that the Trump administration is fascist. Trump demands everyone to do what he says or else he will use the power of the government against them. It’s right out in the open with every action he takes.

 

[otto105]

Who needs the truth when you can just make it up!!

Fact

 

[devildavid]

That's not the Russian preference. A western preference does not translate automatically to the preference.

Tough luck for the Russians. They will not be harmed in any way by withdrawing and going back to respecting sovereign boundaries. They can go back to how they were prior. They were in no danger of collapse or harm from the existence of Ukraine.

 

[devildavid]

Putin has the Epstein files.

It's the only thing that explains this bullshit.

Putin has the collusion files and the pee pee files as well. He owns Trump.

 

[Tigerace117]

I’m not going to deny our very bad history when it comes to Central and South America, but after the failure of the Bay of Pigs no way did we have a fleet offshore.

Our country was gearing up for the Gulf of Tonkin resolution in southern Indonesia.

“They thought about logistical support, the positioning of a squadron on the Brazilian coast to "show the flag" and even, in an extreme situation, a plan for a gigantic land operation, which was not used. The operation was planned by maintaining contact with Brazilian conspirators such as general Castelo Branco, and had as an assumption the formation of a provisional government that would request foreign aid.”

“By mid-March 1964, the Embassy reported on the worsening political crisis, the unity of military conspirators under the figure of general Castelo Branco, who could lead a coup d'état, and the adhesion of State governors to the conspiracy.

A meeting at the White House on March 20 and another at the Embassy shortly thereafter established that an aircraft carrier and tankers would be sent to support the opposition. The former had the assumption that, even with Castelo Branco's supporters taking most of the country, there might be resistance in Rio Grande do Sul and Pernambuco, and a naval presence on the coast, "showing the flag", would be a show of force in favor of the rebels.”

“With the outbreak of the coup d'état, the operation was activated to transfer fuel such as gasoline by sea to the insurgent military, to leave a squadron near Brazil, and to take war supplies by air. The naval component consisted of the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal, a helicopter carrier and six destroyers from the Second Fleet, as well as four tankers“

Operation Brother Sam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Except there was.

Southern Indonesia?

 

[Tigerace117]

The Cold War led to bad actions on both sides of it. Russia was just as bad as the US. Do you admit that? All you do is whine about the US. It takes two to tango, and neither side has clean hands. The US was pulled into all this because of the failure of European countries to settle their disputes peacefully. It all started in WWI. We were neutral up to that point.

The Russians didn’t force America to crush democracy after democracy. The US chose to do so.

The US basically hasn’t gone a year of its existence without being involved in an armed conflict somewhere, which makes the posturing about Europeans not being able to settle their differences peacefully rather silly.

 

[Juin]

Tough luck for the Russians. They will not be harmed in any way by withdrawing and going back to respecting sovereign boundaries. They can go back to how they were prior. They were in no danger of collapse or harm from the existence of Ukraine.

Russians will decide for themselves. And you did not address why your preference is the preference.

 

[devildavid]

I already listed five. How many more do you want?

Oh, so you are admitting the U.S. is every bit as bad as Russia?

In order to compare the two it requires an honest accounting of how bad Russia is. Are you admitting that Russia is as bad as you make the US out to be?

 

[otto105]

“They thought about logistical support, the positioning of a squadron on the Brazilian coast to "show the flag" and even, in an extreme situation, a plan for a gigantic land operation, which was not used. The operation was planned by maintaining contact with Brazilian conspirators such as general Castelo Branco, and had as an assumption the formation of a provisional government that would request foreign aid.”

“By mid-March 1964, the Embassy reported on the worsening political crisis, the unity of military conspirators under the figure of general Castelo Branco, who could lead a coup d'état, and the adhesion of State governors to the conspiracy.

A meeting at the White House on March 20 and another at the Embassy shortly thereafter established that an aircraft carrier and tankers would be sent to support the opposition. The former had the assumption that, even with Castelo Branco's supporters taking most of the country, there might be resistance in Rio Grande do Sul and Pernambuco, and a naval presence on the coast, "showing the flag", would be a show of force in favor of the rebels.”

“With the outbreak of the coup d'état, the operation was activated to transfer fuel such as gasoline by sea to the insurgent military, to leave a squadron near Brazil, and to take war supplies by air. The naval component consisted of the aircraft carrier USS Forrestal, a helicopter carrier and six destroyers from the Second Fleet, as well as four tankers“

Operation Brother Sam - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Except there was.

Southern Indonesia?

Dude, read the same Wikipedia column as you, but our national anti-communism fixation was on Indonesia.

The rolling communist threat was everywhere.

 

[Tigerace117]

In order to compare the two it requires an honest accounting of how bad Russia is. Are you admitting that Russia is as bad as you make the US out to be?

If you compare the two’s track record the U.S. looks significantly worse, especially given its support for countries like apartheid South Africa, which was working on forcibly sterilizing its entire non white population.

 

[Tigerace117]

Dude, read the same Wikipedia column as you, but our national anti-communism fixation was on Indonesia.

The rolling communist threat was everywhere.

…..no it wasn’t. The U.S. interest with Indonesia ended once Sukarno took over and murdered a million people in Western backed “anti communist” purges.