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Trump says US cannot give every person it wants to deport a trial (6 Viewers)

AZRWinger said:
Abrego Garcia was deported after multiple immigration court hearings, due process. He is imprisioned by his native country's government which is standard treatment for gang members in El Salvador. Yet, the Trump administration is supposedly to blame for a citizen of El Salvodor being afforded equal treatment with the other gang members in the country.

You may disagree with El Salvador’s treatment of it's citizens who it believes are gang members but that's not an indictment of the Trump administration for violating the US Constitution.
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That is not true but must be the new spin given it's the third time it's been repeated here this morning. The United States entered into a financial agreement to have El Salvador house these migrants on their behalf. That's the facts.

However, as I said on another thread, I believe moving him to a different prison is to take that issue, Americans paying for his incarceration, off the table as it relates to Garcia so that Trump can ignore whatever the courts order about effecting his return. He is as of yesterday now in the custody of El Salvador but that was not true at the time of his removal

BTW feel free to use my point aren't you glad I thought of it...... ;)
 
Fletch said:
So it was ok to deport him, just not to his home country. So that means he gets to stay here forever?
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Actually yes, under 8 USC 1231 a person barred from deportation to their home country (for reasons such as torture or expected death) can still be deported.

The US finds a country that will accept him, gets the hold lifted and sends him on his way.

The Trump Administration in 2019 never took action to deport him.

WW
 
WorldWatcher said:
Which is the Catch-22.

The SCOTUS said habeus corpus have to be fined at the location of dention. However El Salvador doesn't have US courts so he can't file in his location of detention.

WW
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Yes and the remedy was that the administration is required to provide them with a notice of intent so they can file before being deported, which the gov has complied with. That process should not unreasonably hinder the gov and create an undue burden.

They can file and it can adjudication but they can not be allowed to stay while they wait for an answer. That's like telling people they can not be jailed until they have exhausted all their appeals. It's impractical.
 
Lord of Planar said:
It's not unusual for arriving visitors, or even permanent U.S. residents or citizens, to have to attest to their accommodations at the border. Other countries similarly require proof of lodging, or at least an address, on entry paperwork at the border.​

www.usatoday.com

German teens detained and deported in Hawaii

Two German teenagers were denied entry into the U.S. and deported from Honolulu after failing to show proof of lodging.
www.usatoday.com
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No they don't.
I've been to several countries and never once was I asked to provide proof where I was staying.
 
MTAtech said:

Trump says US cannot give every person it wants to deport a trial​

(Reuters) - U.S. President Donald Trump on Monday said on Truth Social that his administration cannot give everyone it wants to deport a trial "because to do so would take, without exaggeration, 200 years"

In the post, Trump wrote about removing criminals and those illegally in the United States.
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First, there is a difference between deportation -- the removal of a person to their home country, and; renditioning someone to a foreign jail.

Second, I believe administrative deportation judges handle deportations, and have been doing so. If we need more of them, hire them. If an administration wants to send people (aliens or American citizens) to a foreign jail, the accused ARE entitled to a trail in court, as per the constitution and the recent Supreme Court ruling.
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I can't do everything I want legally, either. So I focus on what I can do within the constraints of the law.
 
WorldWatcher said:
Actually yes, under 8 USC 1231 a person barred from deportation to their home country (for reasons such as torture or expected death) can still be deported.

The US finds a country that will accept him, gets the hold lifted and sends him on his way.

The Trump Administration in 2019 never took action to deport him.

WW
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So no then. He doesnt get to stay forever. Trump just needs to make an agreement with Canada to send all these terrorists there. Problem solved.
 
NolanVoyd said:
You can not legislate away a constitutional right with a statute..
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FALSE.

It has been already done. Numerous times, in fact.

The PATRIOT Act of 2001 forgoes 4th and 14th Amendment.

8 U.S. Code § 1227 empowers the Attorney General to remove aliens without due process when certain conditions are met.
NolanVoyd said:
You are making stuff up.
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Nah.
NolanVoyd said:
I hope you don't call yourself a patriot.
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What a remarkably stupid thing to say.
 
SkyChief said:
Red herring.

El Salvador incarcerated the man.

Anyways, he might be released from prison, but he's not coming back to the U.S. The U.S. is not his home. El Salvador is.

"[Kilmar Abrego Garcia] is not coming back to our country." - Attorney General Pam Bondi

Your dopey argument is based on ignorance and fake news.

There are statutes which empower the Secretary of State to forgo constitutional protections, and deport without hearings.
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Okay. Great. So if Democrats pass a law allowing the Attorney General to revoke the Second Amendment rights of citizens without any due process based upon suspected affiliation or political beliefs that would be fine. I mean, there is a statute right?
 
trouble13 said:
They are not putting every deportee into jail. They have only jailed the ones whom they have classified as terrorists.
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And they do that by labeling anything they want as terrorism, then accuse them of that thing without due process. It's not illegal to be part of a gang, it's not illegal to have a tattoo, and it's not illegal to protest on behalf of Palestinian rights.

trouble13 said:
Secondly, people who are here illegally don't need full trials to determine if they are citizens or not. If they are not they can be deported.
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Not a trial, due process. Otherwise how do you determine if they are citizens, legal residents (Garcia), or requesting asylum (a legal right).
 
Fletch said:
I got those quotes from an article I linked earlier in the thread
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WorldWatcher said:
Could you point me to a post number please?

WW
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Never mind, I went back and checked all your posts.

There is no link to an article showing Abrego Garcia appealed something in December 2019.

If this is incorrect - and I'm human - provide the post number please?

WW
 
Visbek said:
The Constitution does not say "you have a right to due process, except when inconvenient for the President's policies."
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How do you see due process working for someone that is here without a visa and without having come through a designated port of entry or someone that did come here lawfully but overstayed whatever temporary authorization they had at that point?
 
Lord of Planar said:
Can you show that as fact? I can find the lying media claim that, but where is the official documents. The media is known to lie, over and over. There are constant lies regarding our president in the media. I have taken the position it is a lie, unless proved to be true.
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Clearly I have no access to the official documents. It has been widely reported by many. many outlets and never once disputed even in court. Believe what you want but it is definitely not like Trump not to point out "fake news" and he has never called this fake...at least not that I am aware of.
 
WorldWatcher said:
Actually yes, under 8 USC 1231 a person barred from deportation to their home country (for reasons such as torture or expected death) can still be deported.
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Only if they are ordered deported by a court.
 
Fletch said:
So no then. He doesnt get to stay forever. Trump just needs to make an agreement with Canada to send all these terrorists there. Problem solved.
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Agreed. This isn't about him "staying for ever", its about following the law and proper Due Process under the Constitution.

WW
 
W_Heisenberg said:
Supreme Court already ruled on this, 9-0 on this issue, and they told Trump the illegal immigrants require notice, and opportunity to be heard, without a trial. Trump refuses to allow even this lighter form of due process. Trump will continue to disobey the Supreme Court because fundamentally this isn't about due process or immigration.

Trump doesn't just want a quicker way of deporting illegal immigrants. Trump wants the power to deport anyone, illegal or not, for any reason he deems necessary. Trump seeks to make himself a dictator, and Trump supporters seek to make him one.

Fundamentally, Trump and his supporters are fascists who seek to overthrow our republic and replace it with a dictatorship that serves the interests of white, male Christians.

This is the truth everyone dares not speak out loud.

And if the ****ing fascists supporting Trump think the rest of this are going to put with this crap, they got another thing coming.
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The gov can tell any guest of this country they must leave for any reason they want.
 
Allan said:
Only if they are ordered deported by a court.
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Correct, in 2019 the court didn't say he couldn't deported. Judge Jones put a hold on deportation to El Salavador. The Trump Administration could have found a different country and got the hold lifted and deported him.

They chose not to, and issued him a legal work authorization. They never appealed the hold or attempted get if lifted to deport some where else.

WW
 
SavannahMann said:
Okay. Great. So if Democrats pass a law allowing the Attorney General to revoke the Second Amendment rights of citizens without any due process based upon suspected affiliation or political beliefs that would be fine.
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No.
SavannahMann said:
I mean, there is a statute right?
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There are no statutes which supersede the Second Amendment (yet, anyways).

But we're getting deep in the weeds. The bottom line is that there are some circumstances when due process is not afforded to people, and Garcia is one of them.

Garcia is not coming back to the U.S..
 
SkyChief said:
FALSE.
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TRUE

SkyChief said:
It has been already done. Numerous times, in fact.

The PATRIOT Act of 2001 forgoes 4th and 14th Amendment.

8 U.S. Code § 1227 empowers the Attorney General to remove aliens without due process when certain conditions are met.

Nah.

What a remarkably stupid thing to say.
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So we can pass a statute banning firearms?
 
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