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Trump says US cannot give every person it wants to deport a trial

NO! He is still entitled to due process. The ends does not justify the means -- he was sent to prison without a trial. Moreover, due process would have kept him from ever being deported to El Salvador much less a prison known for human rights abuses. What happened here is immoral, unAmerican, A-Christian and generally abhorrent. I personally do not think well of people that think this is 'ok', I think it reflects poorly on their decency, but that is me.


If you knew the whole history of this case, you would also know that his so-called gang member status was never affirmed --- but that is another issue,
I have no problem with him petitioning from where he is at, that a mistake was made.
 
He was never found guilty of anything, but based on the statements of a CI, it was upheld that he was a member. So it's more an allegation that's never actually been meted out. But also in 2019, he was put under withholder of removal order that prevented him from being deported to El Salvador. Until Trump did away with due process and just did it anyway.
So where should we have sent him? Your house?
 
If a migrant is in the U.S. illegally, then they are subject to deportation. . . . No trial. No jury.
Wrong.
While a migrant in the U.S. illegally can be subject to deportation, the process typically involves a due process hearing before an immigration judge, not a trial or jury trial. Immigration cases are considered civil, not criminal, and the main goal is to determine if the person has a legal basis to remain in the U.S. There are exceptions, such as expedited removal for certain individuals, where a judge's involvement is bypassed, but these are subject to specific legal requirements.

You can read up on what the law actually says below:

 
I don't have a problem with questioning/challenging any judges conclusion, including the bond judges. If Garcia wants to challenge that determination he should be free to do so, but he does it from jail and because he isn't a citizen he does it from outside our borders.

Which is the Catch-22.

The SCOTUS said habeus corpus have to be fined at the location of dention. However El Salvador doesn't have US courts so he can't file in his location of detention.

WW
 
Actually the SCOTUS decision says they can file for habeus corpus proceedings where they are being detained.

There are no US courts in El Salvador.

WW
He does not need to be physically present at the proceeding
 
But the man has had more than his share of due process. Immigration courts have already declared him MS13, but if there is an additional step where incarceration until a final hearing is given, Im ok with that.
the judge who presided over his 2019 case said that based on the confidential information, there was sufficient evidence to support Mr Abrego Garcia's gang membership. That finding was later upheld by another judge.

As a result Mr Abrego Garcia was refused bail and remained in custody. During this time he applied for asylum to prevent his deportation to El Salvador.

In October 2019 he was granted a "withholding of removal" order, court documents show - a status different from asylum, but one which prevented the US government from sending him back to El Salvador because he could face harm.

Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say that he was granted the status based on his "well-founded" fear of persecution by Barrio-18, the main rival gang of MS-13.
 
So where should we have sent him? Your house?
Maybe yours. But certainly not El Salvador. And that's why we need due process.
 
So when the 14th Amendment says Person it doesn’t mean person. I think I understand the problem. It’s not us. It’s you.
I'm not the problem. I didn't do anything to Gargia.

You're frustrated, emotional and angry.
. . . Only Congress has the authority to suspend habeas corpus rights.
FALSE.
The federal government can suspend the privilege of the writ of habeas corpus only in extraordinary circumstances, such as rebellion or invasion, or when public safety requires it.
 
That is untrue. Trump paid El Savador to imprison these men.
Can you show that as fact? I can find the lying media claim that, but where is the official documents. The media is known to lie, over and over. There are constant lies regarding our president in the media. I have taken the position it is a lie, unless proved to be true.
 
the judge who presided over his 2019 case said that based on the confidential information, there was sufficient evidence to support Mr Abrego Garcia's gang membership. That finding was later upheld by another judge.

As a result Mr Abrego Garcia was refused bail and remained in custody. During this time he applied for asylum to prevent his deportation to El Salvador.

In October 2019 he was granted a "withholding of removal" order, court documents show - a status different from asylum, but one which prevented the US government from sending him back to El Salvador because he could face harm.

Mr Abrego Garcia's lawyers say that he was granted the status based on his "well-founded" fear of persecution by Barrio-18, the main rival gang of MS-13.
So it was ok to deport him, just not to his home country. So that means he gets to stay here forever?
 
I've already explained that due process doesn't always need to happen. Statutes empower the State Department to forgo due process in some instances.
You can not legislate away a constitutional right with a statute..

You are making stuff up.
Garcia is not coming back to the U.S., and there will not be any due process.
"The administration is “asserting a right to stash away residents of this country in foreign prisons without the semblance of due process that is the foundation of our constitutional order,” wrote Judge J. Harvie Wilkinson in an opinion for a panel of the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals.

“Further, it claims in essence that because it has rid itself of custody that there is nothing that can be done,” he wrote. “This should be shocking not only to judges, but to the intuitive sense of liberty that Americans far removed from courthouses still hold dear.”

how can you support that?

I hope you don't call yourself a patriot.
 
Does this list include the findings from 2019?

Findings from 2019 are usually the attachments with motions.

So for example if you go down to Document 11, March 31, Att 1/Exhibit A - are the results of the Bond Redetermination appeal from April 2019 signed by Judge Kessler simply keeping in place the detention pending his asylum hearing.

You used quotes, so where do those quotes come from? You said he appealed a ruling from October 2019 for a situation he won (i.e. deportation hold) - why someone would appeal a ruling hey won is beyond me. But lets go with it.

You said there was a appeal decision in December 2019 - can you link to it?

WW
 
So why does Trump employ illegals?
That is a lie. He has contractors he has used that use illegal help. They are to blame, not him.
Oh, and there's no evidence whatsoever of Garcia's alleged gang activities-except, of course, what the always truthful and morally unimpeachable White House expects you to believe.
The symbols on his knuckles are gang symbols.
 
No, it is not. There are no constitutional protections for aliens who are not under the jurisdiction of the U.S.
every single person on US soil, with the sole exception being diplomats with immunity, are under US jurisdiction.
People keep saying that, but it's just not true.
It’s demonstrably true. The Supreme Court has told you this over and over and over again.
The issue is deportation. People want the man returned "home" to the U.S..

The problem is his "home" is not the U.S. - his home is El Salvador - where he is being incarcerated.
He was illegally removed. As the Supreme Court told you.
 
Findings from 2019 are usually the attachments with motions.

So for example if you go down to Document 11, March 31, Att 1/Exhibit A - are the results of the Bond Redetermination appeal from April 2019.

You used quotes, so where do those quotes come from? You said he appealed a ruling from October 2019 for a situation he won (i.e. deportation hold) - why someone would appeal a ruling hey won is beyond me. But lets go with it.

You said there was a appeal decision in December 2019 - can you link to it?

WW
I got those quotes from an article I linked earlier in the thread
 
Secondly, people who are here illegally don't need full trials to determine if they are citizens or not. If they are not they can be deported.

Supreme Court already ruled on this, 9-0 on this issue, and they told Trump the illegal immigrants require notice, and opportunity to be heard. Trump refuses to allow even this lighter form of due process. Trump will continue to disobey the Supreme Court because fundamentally this isn't about due process or immigration.

Trump doesn't just want a quicker way of deporting illegal immigrants. Trump wants the power to deport anyone, illegal or not, for any reason he deems necessary. Trump seeks to make himself a dictator, and Trump supporters seek to make him one.

Fundamentally, Trump and his supporters are fascists who seek to overthrow our republic and replace it with a dictatorship that serves the interests of white, male Christians.

This is the truth everyone dares not speak out loud.

And if the ****ing fascists supporting Trump think the rest of this are going to put with this crap, they got another thing coming.
 
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Your dopey argument is based on ignorance and fake news.

There are statutes which empower the Secretary of State to forgo constitutional protections, and deport without hearings.
a statute can’t forgo the constitution. Every single person on US soil has constitutional protections. Immigration status is meaningless to that.
 
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