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Trump says US cannot give every person it wants to deport a trial

Ok, do you mean Trump can simply say you are a member of MS-13 and not have to show any evidence of this before a neutral party, nor give you a chance to rebut or explain things? As I have posted before, that’s lynch-mob logic.
I am not sure what the exact procedural steps are but basically the answer is yes.

The executive branch, aka Trump, is charged with the responsibility of accessing foreign relations and threats. He is the one who declares a group to be terrosits. He has formally declared at least 2 gangs as such. MS13 and TDA are both on the list and he can both deport them and imprison them. They are in a separate category when it comes to the rules of justice.
 
Was he here legally or illegally?

I do not see anyone disagreeing on that point. Are you stating he was a legal resident?
I was not talking about anyone in particular, I was simply responding to your post.

But, it doesn't matter whether someone is here legally or illegally - they still must get due process, to protect all.
 
I am not sure what the exact procedural steps are but basically the answer is yes.

The executive branch, aka Trump, is charged with the responsibility of accessing foreign relations and threats. He is the one who declares a group to be terrosits. He has formally declared at least 2 gangs as such. MS13 and TDA are both on the list and he can both deport them and imprison them. They are in a separate category when it comes to the rules of justice.

There is no war, and AEA does not apply to non-state actors. Trump is asserting authority he does not have. Trump will lose this case, and every similar case.
 
He's being detained in El Salvador, since the SCOTUS said habeus requests had to be filed at the location of detention.

Which US court in El Salvador would he file it with?

WW
They are being transferred there. The district of detention is inside the US
 
I am not sure what the exact procedural steps are but basically the answer is yes.
There are no steps that allow the President to declare a person a terrorist.

None.

Now tell about guests.
 
LOL, "hire more judges".
Yes. Exactly. If you are going to deport a large number of people -- as Trump promised -- then yes, you need to hire more judges. Why is that a problem?

everyone that crosses over, or crawls out of the river, can get the due process we all owe them for violating our borders.
Uh, hello? The Constitution and the law are very clear that you can't deport someone without due process.

It is truly astounding that you don't see your hypocrisy here. You're outraged that migrants are violating a civil law, but you're totally fine with the government violating the law to kick them out. You're a huge stickler for the rule of law, except when it inconveniences you.

Shhh.... don't let the British, Japanese, Germans, etc... or anyone else know that we owe them all extended court filings and hearings because we kicked them out over the years without giving them "due process".
What the f*** are you talking about?
 
President Trump is correct.

Blame the Biden Junta which created the gargantuan mess when it opened the borders in unprecedented fashion.

They want to force the US to keep those illegals by making their deportation impossible.

Not gonna happen/
Yeah, it's all about Biden.
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Post 301 , which you are ignoring, outlines the due process requirements.
Are you claiming that president Trump's judicial staff does not count as a "justice?"
 
President Trump is correct.

Blame the Biden Junta which created the gargantuan mess when it opened the borders in unprecedented fashion.

They want to force the US to keep those illegals by making their deportation impossible.

Not gonna happen/

Not gonna happen is right. You guys are not going to be allowed to pretend the Constitution does not exist.
 
The next section indicates the president can call it:

When an alien enemy is required by the President, or by order of any court, judge, or justice, to depart and to be removed, it shall be the duty of the marshal of the district in which he shall be apprehended to provide therefor and to execute such order in person, or by his deputy or other discreet person to be employed by him, by causing a removal of such alien out of the territory of the United States; and for such removal the marshal shall have the warrant of the President, or of the court, judge, or justice ordering the same, as the case may be.
 
Sorry, but do you have anything other than what the lying media has claimed?

With respect to March, it's in the ****ing court filings. It's in the filings. The government admitted it. Read the filings, dude. Stop watching Fox News. They are lying to you.

With respect to a few days ago, it's in the filings by the ACLU. Read the filings. Read the filings. Read the filings. Read the filings. Read the filings. And guess who the Supreme Court trusted when they issued its emergency ruling telling the government to stop everything? It wasn't the government. It was the ACLU. The Supreme Court didn't trust the government. It trusted the ACLU. Do you know how often the Supreme Court issues an emergency order in the middle of night? Stop watching Fox News. Fox News is lying to you. Read the filings.

Lord of Planar: Trump is a fascist. He hates the Constitution.
 
They are being transferred there. The district of detention is inside the US

We're talking bout people already in El Salvador under the AEA.

Not future deportees.

WW
 
Every statement that begins with "Trump says" can be safely ignored. He's probably lying anyway.
 
The next section indicates the president can call it:

When an alien enemy is required by the President, or by order of any court, judge, or justice, to depart and to be removed, it shall be the duty of the marshal of the district in which he shall be apprehended to provide therefor and to execute such order in person, or by his deputy or other discreet person to be employed by him, by causing a removal of such alien out of the territory of the United States; and for such removal the marshal shall have the warrant of the President, or of the court, judge, or justice ordering the same, as the case may be.

Due process is what someone gets before they are physically removed from the country.

It's part of how a determination is made to remove someone.

Geeesh.
 
What exactly are you arguing here? You’re all over the place on this topic.

Since we’re discussing immigration and deportation, there are stated methods, like the immigration court, where a person can be heard. That’s one of the important ingredients to due process. “This right to be heard ensures a fair process and protects individuals from arbitrary government actions.“ Did any of these people get a chance to be heard before being transported out of the country? No.
My understanding of being seen by an immigration judge by reading 50 U.S. Code § 23 is that the judge determines the threat. Where the criminal alien is held next. Not necessary to determination deportation. It also states "after a full examination and hearing on such complaint," OK, some judicial person hears the complaint. It does not say the criminal alien gets to be heard.
Illegal and legal as far as those accused by the government has no bearing on things. They’re all entitled to a hearing. The Constitution describes simply “people” in this country, not legal or illegal aliens.
Well, the 14th starts with: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States." Illegal immigrants are neither born here or naturalized. The 5th amendment has been cited, but only this would apply: "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;" Due process can be simple.

What do you see that I do not?

The chance to have a meaningful hearing before someone can be deprived of life, liberty, or property is a bedrock of our legal system. No matter how correct you think you are, taking action against others requires those people the opportunity to be heard.
What is there to hear? It is cut and dry. Illegal residents can be deported. Period.
Every single time I had to take replevin action to recover a piece of collateral from an individual, I had to have a court hearing where the defendant was afforded the opportunity to be heard, no matter that I had all of the facts and figures in my favor.
Yes, and even such cases often fail. But we are speaking of civil cases of one citizen or naturalized person under our jurisdiction.
On a local platform, you get the opportunity to speak on your behalf in zoning issues that may affect you, property tax levees, licensing issues, etc. Those aren’t court hearings, but in front of recognized authorities. Taking someone off the street to be deported is a much more serious process and there’s a reason hearings in front of immigration judges are required.
All I need to know, is if are they a legal resident or not. That is all anyone should care about.
 
This is absolutely not true. See the citation from the 14th Amendment above. While some of this concerns only citizens, the part about not depriving "persons" of their basic rights, including due process, is not limited to citizens. That's why there are different statements on citizens and persons.
Deportation is a matter handled by the immigration court, an administrative court. Partisan Democrats falsely claim multiple immigration court hearings and appeals assisted by counsel somehow denies due process. Somehow the same immigration court proceedings deemed observant of due process are no longer sufficient.
No, they didn't want him returned "home." An immigration judge made it plain that the US government could simply deport this man anywhere in the world EXCEPT El Salvador. The reason why is that it was claimed that he sought refuge in the US from El Salvador because his life was being threatened by a terrorist gang there which also had members here. The US claimed he was a member of that gang, based on very limited and shaky evidence. Accordingly, the US either had to prove he was such a member or deport him anywhere but El Salvador.
The immigration judge determined García's claim he'd be in danger from a rival gang if returned to El Salvador was credible. No corroboration was presented. The same judge determined he was an MS-13 member based on evidence from a variety of sources. Of course Orange Man Bad zealots want to pick and choose which decisions constitute due process or their version of it.
The government stupidly rendered him to an El Salvadorean prison along with other people it claimed were members of that gang. In fact, until that Maryland senator went to El Salvador and was able to meet the man, it wasn't even clear that he was alive, hadn't been murdered by the gang members he was stupidly put with, and in a different prison there. So our government could have been responsible for the death of a man not guilty of something he was charged with simply because it made a stupid error and couldn't be bothered to respect his right as a person, not a citizen, to due process.
The US government deported Garcia as an illegal alien gang member. The administrative error was the destination, not the deportation. The Salvadoran government imprisoned a gang member on their soil as they have thousands of others. The same sovereign government has released thousands of non-gang deportees returned to their control.

Somehow Garcia escaped the harm he claimed as the basis for not deporting him to El Salvador. Aren't you grateful for the their protection?
Some members of the right wing apparently have more concern for a mindless embryo that isn't a person than for the Constitutional right to due process for persons. That says it all.
Democrats fill the media with lies and distortions about a Salvadoran gang member then insist all must agree. That says it all.
 
The next section indicates the president can call it:

When an alien enemy is required by the President, or by order of any court, judge, or justice, to depart and to be removed, it shall be the duty of the marshal of the district in which he shall be apprehended to provide therefor and to execute such order in person, or by his deputy or other discreet person to be employed by him, by causing a removal of such alien out of the territory of the United States; and for such removal the marshal shall have the warrant of the President, or of the court, judge, or justice ordering the same, as the case may be.

You neglected to post this section of the Alien Enemies Act:

>§21. Restraint, regulation, and removal
Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government, and the President makes public proclamation of the event, all natives, citizens, denizens, or subjects of the hostile nation or government, being of the age of fourteen years and upward, who shall be within the United States and not actually naturalized, shall be liable to be apprehended, restrained, secured, and removed as alien enemies.<
50 USC Ch. 3

In December 1941, President Franklin Roosevelt and Congress officially declared War against Germany and Japan. To my knowledge, neither President Trump nor Congress have officially declared war against any country.

As is plainly obvious, even to the lay person, Trump/Bondi are bastardizing the Alien Enemies Act in order to neutralize/avoid due process, which is guaranteed to every person on American soil, citizen or not.

The rationale for Trump/Bondi is political. Their rationale doesn't pass the legal smell test, and the Supreme Court has publicly said so in recent rulings.
 

Words do have meaning, and Trump's obligation to get Garcia back from El Salvador is found in the words he uttered when he gave his oath to the U.S. Constitution.

It is the Constitution which obligates Trump to use all measures to bring him back. If he does not, he is not doing his job.

Fourth Circuit recently ruled:

The Supreme Court’s decision does not, however, allow the government to do essentially nothing. It requires the government “to ‘facilitate’ Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador and to ensure that his case is handled as it would have been had he not been improperly sent to El Salvador.” “Facilitate” is an active verb. It requires that steps be taken as the Supreme Court has made perfectly clear. (“[T]he Government should be prepared to share what it can concerning the steps it has taken and the prospect of further steps.”). The plain and active meaning of the word cannot be diluted by its constriction, as the government would have it, to a narrow term of art. We are not bound in this context by a definition crafted by an administrative agency and contained in a mere policy directive.

Thus, the government’s argument that all it must do is “remove any domestic barriers to [Abrego Garcia’s] return,” is not well taken in light of the Supreme Court’s command that the government facilitate Abrego Garcia’s release from custody in El Salvador. “Facilitation” does not permit the admittedly erroneous deportation of an individual to the one country’s prisons that the withholding order forbids and, further, to do so in disregard of a court order that the government not so subtly spurns. “Facilitation” does not sanction the abrogation of habeas corpus through the transfer of custody to foreign detention centers in the manner attempted here. Allowing all this would “facilitate” foreign detention more than it would domestic return. It would reduce the rule of law to lawlessness and tarnish the very values for which Americans of diverse views and persuasions have always stood.

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And the differences do not end there. The Executive is inherently focused upon ends; the Judiciary much more so upon means. Ends are bestowed on the Executive by electoral outcomes. Means are entrusted to all of government, but most especially to the Judiciary by the Constitution itself.

The Executive possesses enormous powers to prosecute and to deport, but with powers come restraints. If today the Executive claims the right to deport without due process and in disregard of court orders, what assurance will there be tomorrow that it will not deport American citizens and then disclaim responsibility to bring them home? And what assurance shall there be that the Executive will not train its broad discretionary powers upon its political enemies? The threat, even if not the actuality, would always be present, and the Executive’s obligation to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed” would lose its meaning.

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The Supreme Court and the Fourth Circuit are telling Trump to do his ****ing job.
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>§21. Restraint, regulation, and removal
Whenever there is a declared war between the United States and any foreign nation or government, or any invasion or predatory incursion is perpetrated, attempted, or threatened against the territory of the United States by any foreign nation or government,
Trump has repeatedly referred to border crossers as an "invasion" which in his pea brain gives him the ability to utilize the AEA. But as your quote points out the invasion needs to be by a foreign nation or government.
 
I was not talking about anyone in particular, I was simply responding to your post.

But, it doesn't matter whether someone is here legally or illegally - they still must get due process, to protect all.
Only enough due process is needed to determine legal or illegal. If illegal, deport at will.
 
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