Trump Says U.S. Aircraft Carrier Design Is ‘Wrong,’ Plans Overhaul

[AlphaOmega]

You haven't met your Burden of Proof for your positive claim that POTUS is actually a billionaire. so there is that unresolved matter.

Didn't you already accept my imaginary defeat on this twice? Lol. Is there going to be another acceptance of my imaginary defeat? Lots of fantasy stuff here...too funny.

 

[Logician Man]

Didn't you already accept my imaginary defeat on this twice? Lol. Is there going to be another acceptance of my imaginary defeat? Lots of fantasy stuff here...too funny.

That depends. Have you definitively proven your positive claim that Trump is indeed a billionaire with credible, verifiable data/sources ? If YES, please cite the post # in which you did so. If NO, it's not an 'imaginary' defeat, it's a very realistic defeat on your part, which is graciously accepted.

 

[AlphaOmega]

That depends. Have you definitively proven your positive claim that Trump is indeed a billionaire with credible, verifiable data/sources ? If YES, please cite the post # in which you did so. If NO, it's not an 'imaginary' defeat, it's a very realistic defeat on your part, which is graciously accepted.

Please post my 1st response to you on this. Lets stroll down memory lane.

 

[Logician Man]

Please post my 1st response to you on this. Lets stroll down memory lane.

I'll take that as a NO, and graciously accept your very realistic defeat as it appears you can't cite where you have definitively proven Trump is a billionaire. Have a great evening.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

If you'll note, I corrected this. $900M in cost overruns.

And likely, he knows enough to realize that $900 M over budget (and still not working), and putting our carrier replacement program 3 years behind schedule, is a serious problem.

Nope, because it's the first major design change in sixty years, or rather "the first major design change since aircraft catapults were INVENTED."
A billion dollars is a drop in the bucket for something that significant. And as has already been alluded to, the bugs are now worked out already and the system is now functioning as advertised.

The Navy needs the seawater for drinking, cooking, washing and for fuel manufacturing, not steam to punt an airplane into the sky.

It's the 21st Century, and in the 21st Century, we punt aircraft into the sky with electromagnetism now.

 

[AlphaOmega]

I'll take that as a NO, and graciously accept your very realistic defeat as it appears you can't cite where you have definitively proven Trump is a billionaire. Have a great evening.

Well I'm glad you accept imaginary defeats. This is what the third or fourth time you have accepted the same imaginary defeat.....

 

[dcsports]

Nope, because it's the first major design change in sixty years, or rather "the first major design change since aircraft catapults were INVENTED."
A billion dollars is a drop in the bucket for something that significant. And as has already been alluded to, the bugs are now worked out already and the system is now functioning as advertised.

The Navy needs the seawater for drinking, cooking, washing and for fuel manufacturing, not steam to punt an airplane into the sky.

It's the 21st Century, and in the 21st Century, we punt aircraft into the sky with electromagnetism now.

Are the issues worked out? The ship's still not in service, and has many issues - requiring significant redesign on the subsequent ship to 'try' to address the issues. They can't run the elevators and the catapult at the same time - kind of an important issue. Aren't going to be able to fly the required number of sorties.

The system didn't cost a billion dollars -- it cost a billion dollars more than expected in development, plus a three year delay in our carrier replacement program, plus probably hundreds of billions in redesign to fix the issues.

 

[Logician Man]

Well I'm glad you accept imaginary defeats. This is what the third or fourth time you have accepted the same imaginary defeat.....

It's not imaginary since you have failed to meet your Burden of Proof.....which clearly you haven't, or you would point out in which post # you met that Burden of Proof. ( something you can't/won't ) present. That's on you, as is you meeting your Burden of Proof. ( Debating 101 ) You have posted that when anyone requests you meet your Burden of Proof, that is an attack on your 'integrity.' You can try to hide behind that silliness, but it doesn't relieve you from the responsibility of meeting burden of proof for any positive claims you make. Any seasoned debater knows this elementary basic of debating protocol. You would be wise to learn it too, as to minimalize future embarrassment going forward.

 

[Idiometer]

He's designing warships now? Seriously?

:lamo

 

[AlphaOmega]

It's not imaginary since you have failed to meet your Burden of Proof.....which clearly you haven't, or you would point out in which post # you met that Burden of Proof. ( something you can't/won't ) present. That's on you, as is you meeting your Burden of Proof. ( Debating 101 ) You have posted that when anyone requests you meet your Burden of Proof, that is an attack on your 'integrity.' You can try to hide behind that silliness, but it doesn't relieve you from the responsibility of meeting burden of proof for any positive claims you make. Any seasoned debater knows this elementary basic of debating protocol. You would be wise to learn it too, as to minimalize future embarrassment going forward.

You've said this already...are you going to imaginary win again?

 

[Logician Man]

You've said this already...are you going to imaginary win again?

As long as you continue to refuse to meet your burden of proof for your positive claims because you perceive those requests for Burden of Proof as an attack on your 'integrity', you will continue to lose each and every debate/argument you engage in on the square. Of course you do retain the right to do just that....however you do NOT retain the right to altar the established basics of debating protocol as you are trying,and failing, to do. ( Debating 101 )

 

[AlphaOmega]

As long as you continue to refuse to meet your burden of proof for your positive claims because you perceive those requests for Burden of Proof as an attack on your 'integrity', you will continue to lose each and every debate/argument you engage in on the square. Of course you do retain the right to do just that....however you do NOT retain the right to altar the established basics of debating protocol as you are trying,and failing, to do. ( Debating 101 )

Is imaginary winning part of debating 101? I also don't recall debating you at all. Did I imaginary debate you at any point?

 

[Logician Man]

Is imaginary winning part of debating 101? I also don't recall debating you at all. Did I imaginary debate you at any point?

If you can't remember what you are posting here, and that is certainly what you are suggesting in your post above, It's probably a good time for you to take an extended break from posting here at DP until/unless you regain control of your faculties.

 

[AlphaOmega]

If you can't remember what you are posting here, and that is certainly what you are suggesting in your post above, It's probably a good time for you to take an extended break from posting here at DP until/unless you regain control of your faculties.

No you claimed we were debating. Thats a lie. At no point were we ever debating this. My first response to you documents this. That's why when I asked you to post that response you refused. Do you know what debating actually is? Obviously not if you think we at any point were debating.

 

[Logician Man]

No you claimed we were debating. Thats a lie. At no point were we ever debating this. My first response to you documents this. That's why when I asked you to post that response you refused. Do you know what debating actually is? Obviously not if you think we at any point were debating.

Take that extended break and cut your losses. By your own admission you can't remember what you're posting. ( it's good,friendly advice )

 

[AlphaOmega]

Take that extended break and cut your losses. By your own admission you can't remember what you're posting. ( it's good,friendly advice )

That was sarcasm. Can you remind the forum what my first response to you on this was? Lets see who is dodging here.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Are the issues worked out? The ship's still not in service, and has many issues - requiring significant redesign on the subsequent ship to 'try' to address the issues. They can't run the elevators and the catapult at the same time - kind of an important issue. Aren't going to be able to fly the required number of sorties.

The system didn't cost a billion dollars -- it cost a billion dollars more than expected in development, plus a three year delay in our carrier replacement program, plus probably hundreds of billions in redesign to fix the issues.

---The term "hundreds of billions" is used when referring to the entire military budget. Sorry, but that's a fact.
And the very fact that Trump said, "...— the steam system is tried and true for many, many years, as long as we’ve had aircraft carriers, how do you find steam versus what they’re doing on the Gerald Ford, which is electronic and digital, if you can believe it.”

proves he has absolutely NO CLUE what he is talking about.

The term "digital" is a reference to binary ones and zeroes, and is used in the computer field.
The catapult apparatus is an ELECTRIC MOTOR, specifically a LINEAR electric motor.

Noting the 747 launches and recoveries at sea the Ford performed since it commissioned in 2017, plus more than 24,000 launch and recovery cycles using the systems at the land-based site, Geurts was optimistic.

All new technologies encounter initial bugs, ALL...as in EVERY LAST ONE.
The payoff, however, is significant.

Compared to steam catapults, EMALS weighs less, occupies less space, requires less maintenance and manpower, is more reliable, recharges quicker, and uses less energy.
The EMALS, with their planned 90% power conversion efficiency, will also be more efficient than steam catapults, which achieve only a 5% efficiency.

 

[Logician Man]

That was sarcasm. Can you remind the forum what my first response to you on this was? Lets see who is dodging here.

You're the one in damage control mode trying to save face because you can't meet your Burden of Proof, or remember what you're posting. If you want to re-visit the past, go for it...if you can remember just what post you're mumbling about. My suggestion would be you simply meet your burden of proof Trump is a billionaire ( your positive claim ), or admit you can't, concede that you lost the argument, and live to argue another topic in which you may actually meet your burden of proof. <--- this would be refreshing

 

[dcsports]

---The term "hundreds of billions" is used when referring to the entire military budget. Sorry, but that's a fact.
And the very fact that Trump said, "...— the steam system is tried and true for many, many years, as long as we’ve had aircraft carriers, how do you find steam versus what they’re doing on the Gerald Ford, which is electronic and digital, if you can believe it.”

proves he has absolutely NO CLUE what he is talking about.

The term "digital" is a reference to binary ones and zeroes, and is used in the computer field.
The catapult apparatus is an ELECTRIC MOTOR, specifically a LINEAR electric motor.



All new technologies encounter initial bugs, ALL...as in EVERY LAST ONE.
The payoff, however, is significant.

Compared to steam catapults, EMALS weighs less, occupies less space, requires less maintenance and manpower, is more reliable, recharges quicker, and uses less energy.
The EMALS, with their planned 90% power conversion efficiency, will also be more efficient than steam catapults, which achieve only a 5% efficiency.

Just because other things cost more, doesn't mean the amount is insignificant. Again... not saying they shouldn't press forward with working the bugs out of the system. Just that we shouldn't continue to delay the carrier replacement program , or build a fleet of ships that have to undergo costly rebuilds. The system obviously wasn't ready for prime-time, and it's cost us.

And yes, Trump didn't use the correct terminology. (I wonder if the 'digital' term came from the crews though). However, he knows project management, and by any measure, this one has been a disaster.

 

[AlphaOmega]

You're the one in damage control mode trying to save face because you can't meet your Burden of Proof, or remember what you're posting. If you want to re-visit the past, go for it...if you can remember just what post you're mumbling about. My suggestion would be you simply meet your burden of proof Trump is a billionaire ( your positive claim ), or admit you can't, concede that you lost the argument, and live to argue another topic in which you may actually meet your burden of proof. <--- this would be refreshing

Afraid to post my first response I see. Boy that imaginary win didn't last long.

 

[AlphaOmega]

He's designing warships now? Seriously?

:lamo

Best warship eva!

 

[Logician Man]

Afraid to post my first response I see. Boy that imaginary win didn't last long.

Afraid ? LOL! No....disinterested in chasing your wild geese ? Very much so....It's obvious you can't prove your claim Trump is a billionaire. The rest is you just dodging,deflecting, and tap dancing because you can't meet your Burden of Proof.<---- This is where and why you lost the argument game over...

 

[AlphaOmega]

Afraid ? LOL! No....disinterested in chasing your wild geese ? Very much so....It's obvious you can't prove your claim Trump is a billionaire. The rest is you just dodging,deflecting, and tap dancing because you can't meet your Burden of Proof.<---- This is where and why you lost the argument game over...

You claimed I lost a debate. I am challenging you to post my first response.

 

[Checkerboard Strangler]

Just because other things cost more, doesn't mean the amount is insignificant. Again... not saying they shouldn't press forward with working the bugs out of the system. Just that we shouldn't continue to delay the carrier replacement program , or build a fleet of ships that have to undergo costly rebuilds. The system obviously wasn't ready for prime-time, and it's cost us.

And yes, Trump didn't use the correct terminology. (I wonder if the 'digital' term came from the crews though). However, he knows project management, and by any measure, this one has been a disaster.

We're going to have to agree to disagree, sorry.
The world is full of people who are risk-averse, and equally full of people who take bold action and step into the technological abyss with a slide rule and a flashlight, nowadays a computer and an LED torch.

The 2009 rollout of ATSC HDTV in this country was full of bugs.
It took a couple of years to iron them out but today I doubt you can even find an old NTSC standard definition analog 4:3 CRT television set anymore, except in a landfill.

The original rollout of fuel injection was equally fraught with glitches, but you can't find an automobile with a carburetor on it these days unless it's an old classic or nostalgic tribute.

Typewriters are road kill on the information superhighway.
VCR's only exist for people like myself who sometimes make a living digitizing and enhancing orphan videotape material.
In ten years, maybe fifteen at the max, electric cars will reach parity with gasoline cars, maybe even sooner.

And all along the way, there have been crowds of people who sing the Luddite anthems, it's a disaster, it will never work, it's too complicated, it's too expensive...

 

[Atomic Kid]

Just because other things cost more, doesn't mean the amount is insignificant. Again... not saying they shouldn't press forward with working the bugs out of the system. Just that we shouldn't continue to delay the carrier replacement program , or build a fleet of ships that have to undergo costly rebuilds. The system obviously wasn't ready for prime-time, and it's cost us.

And yes, Trump didn't use the correct terminology. (I wonder if the 'digital' term came from the crews though). However, he knows project management, and by any measure, this one has been a disaster.

He knows project management? He managed most of his projects straight into bankruptcy. He may end up doing the same here. Who knows? Maybe next he will want them to can the reactors and go back to using coal.