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Trump says Iran and Israel agree to a ceasefire

jaypatriot said:
There are simply too many premises in your posts which I consider wrong-headed so not only do I find it tedious to rebut them, I also have concluded I have more important things to do with my time.
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You can pick one and focus on that, if it's easier, or not I suppose. Everything I stated is based on the facts of what happened after the JCPOA, so I'm not sure what the "wrong-headed" aspect is. The same goes with some in the MAGAverse being very vocally against this action.

jaypatriot said:
Time will tell whether Trump's historic move was beneficial to the region or not. Sadly, you wish to see failure on Trump's part. That's like hoping the entire home team loses because you don't like the team's quarterback.
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Where did I state that? Because I think most of his actions are bad is a different matter, they will fail or succeed regardless of my opinion. I want to see this country do well, which is exactly why I critique things that are bad ideas in my opinion.
 
Jagged said:
Well they have to say it now because Trump said it. Echoing his thoughts of the minute are required.
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If you can't honestly dispute current facts, insult the voters. You lot if anything is so predictable. Right, @butterfly?

As of right now, this moment....
The ceasefire appears to be holding with both sides signaling compliance.

How long it will last, nobody knows.
 
Fletch said:
Nope. Im gonna stick with the 12 day war. You can keep hoping things fall apart because........TRUUUUU MP!!
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I keep seeing this repeated by those who don't actually have a rebuttal to the facts presented. So who exactly has stated they hope they see things fall apart? Some predicting the situation might go sideways doesn't mean they hope for it. As for the "12 Day War" moniker, maybe be give it a week or so lest you find yourself in the "special military operation" scenario.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Just you asking that question, with everything we see on video about how peaceful migrants/citizens are being treated, is an example of you running cover for Donald Trump. It's funny that you don't even realize that. It's pretty much a self own.

You've never been a Christian, correct?
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So you don't have a specific example you can cite?
 
Logophile said:
Why should I when it's finally sinking in to the heads of average Americans that they're being used by a foreign government that has been undermining their interests both financially and defensively, and has operated without restraint, challenging world peace and American values with indiscriminate ambushes, sadistic methodologies against neighboring nations and occupied people, blatant assassinations on foreign soil, and capricious, irresponsible missile attacks and bombings to try to embroil good Americans in their unworthy agenda
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Well, lots of reasons, but I'd put "entertainment value" top on the list.
 
Do you wanna see Trump succeed in the Middle East?

ElChupacabra said:
I keep seeing this repeated by those who don't actually have a rebuttal to the facts presented. So who exactly has stated they hope they see things fall apart? Some predicting the situation might go sideways doesn't mean they hope for it. As for the "12 Day War" moniker, maybe be give it a week or so lest you find yourself in the "special military operation" scenario.
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ElChupacabra said:
You can pick one and focus on that, if it's easier, or not I suppose. Everything I stated is based on the facts of what happened after the JCPOA, so I'm not sure what the "wrong-headed" aspect is. The same goes with some in the MAGAverse being very vocally against this action.


Where did I state that? Because I think most of his actions are bad is a different matter, they will fail or succeed regardless of my opinion. I want to see this country do well, which is exactly why I critique things that are bad ideas in my opinion.
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Here's a classic phrase you should register:"I want to see this country do well, which is exactly why I critique things that are bad ideas in my opinion."

So, since we're in a thread talking about Iran and Israel, give us a critique on what's happening over there.
Is it a bad idea in your opinion what Trump did or is he military genius?
 
Trump said:
Do you wanna see Trump succeed in the Middle East?
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Depends on what he wants to do. I don't know about you, but I don't have a blanket category for wishing success just because it's a president I support.
 
jaypatriot said:
Here's a classic phrase you should register:"I want to see this country do well, which is exactly why I critique things that are bad ideas in my opinion."

So, since we're in a thread talking about Iran and Israel, give us a critique on what's happening over there.
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Feel free to browse through this thread for my many comments expressing my opinion on the matter.

jaypatriot said:
Is it a bad idea in your opinion what Trump did or is he military genius?
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In short, the basic facts are:

  1. Trump ended the JCPOA rather than addressing compliance issues Iran had.
  2. Iran responds by enriching uranium outside the scope of the JCPOA levels and quantities.
  3. Trump never gets to renegotiate JCPOA during his first term.
  4. New talks are held but no deal is reached.
  5. Israel attacks despite the US still trying to negotiate deal.
  6. US joins the strikes.
  7. US president announces ceasefire but attacks persist but then stop.
  8. US is back at square one since negotiated settlement is still required and Iran's nuclear and missile capabilities are still intact albeit set back a bit.
Does that sound like "military genius"? It would be great if you can outline the genius aspect of this approach.
 
If they weren't backing governments that are willing to bomb women, kids, hospitals, and everything beyond that, you'd think they are children.

DoNt YoU wAnT PeAcE!?!?!
 
ElChupacabra said:
Feel free to browse through this thread for my many comments expressing my opinion on the matter.


In short, the basic facts are:

  1. Trump ended the JCPOA rather than addressing compliance issues Iran had.
  2. Iran responds by enriching uranium outside the scope of the JCPOA levels and quantities.
  3. Trump never gets to renegotiate JCPOA during his first term.
  4. New talks are held but no deal is reached.
  5. Israel attacks despite the US still trying to negotiate deal.
  6. US joins the strikes.
  7. US president announces ceasefire but attacks persist but then stop.
  8. US is back at square one since negotiated settlement is still required and Iran's nuclear and missile capabilities are still intact albeit set back a bit.
Does that sound like "military genius"? It would be great if you can outline the genius aspect of this approach.
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It is only genius if the momentous action results in a positive outcome for the one in charge.
In the even of failure, your comments could hold water and even be called analytical.
In the event of long-lasting success (TBD) it could result in your comments being totally irrelevant to the success of the military action.
RTBS - remains to be seen.
 
Hatuey said:
Shhhh, @Apocalypse will say TLV is not Tel Aviv's airport, because it isn't physically inside Tel Aviv.

This last bit is in fact true, TLV is not within Tel Aviv city limits. It is a convincing argument, if you do not know that airports don't have to be within any city limits to be considered as the airport for that city with many examples available.

Let's see how he plays it :



See? He thinks TLV , an international airport is the airport for Lod, an oversized town of 77K people.

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Paris Vatray Airport and Frankfurt Hahn Airport are both about 80 miles from their respective towns.
 
jaypatriot said:
It is only genius if the momentous action results in a positive outcome for the one in charge.
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Has that happened? It's been a lot of mixed responses, but the general theme from world leaders is they're interested in a negotiated solution.

jaypatriot said:
In the even of failure, your comments could hold water and even be called analytical.
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Failure isn't required for that.

jaypatriot said:
In the event of long-lasting success (TBD) it could result in your comments being totally irrelevant to the success of the military action.
RTBS - remains to be seen.
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The one thing that doesn't change is the futility of the attack based on stated goals. If there's a negotiated settlement it's likely in spite of this attack rather than because of it.
 
trixare4kids said:
No, it's a question that can easily be answered by a yes or no
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For someone looking to glaze over the particulars, sure. For anyone interested in how this is supposed to work and with whom, not so much. I mean, I'd like everyone to have healthcare and a home too, but making that happen is a bit more complicated.

trixare4kids said:
Nonsense.
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Then you don't understand the region and its complexities, which tracks based on most of your responses. Funny you decide to join in with silly ankle biting versus any of the other questions I've posed to you that have to do with details of this situation.
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ElChupacabra said:
For someone looking to glaze over the particulars, sure. For anyone interested in how this is supposed to work and with whom, not so much. I mean, I'd like everyone to have healthcare and a home too, but making that happen is a bit more complicated.


Then you don't understand the region and its complexities, which tracks based on most of your responses. Funny you decide to join in with silly ankle biting versus any of the other questions I've posed to you that have to do with details of this situation.
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More nonsense. Are you for a lasting ceasefire or not? Yes or no?

If not, you could join Al Green's side. It's clear he needs some friends after today's impeachment vote. Lol
 
trixare4kids said:
Nonsense.
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I can't imagine posting on a message board for the entire world to see that you have come to the conclusion that the ME is not a complicated political and cultural area.

Is it a coping mechanism for not being able to admit you don't understand it, simply deny the complexity?

What a display.
 
Trump said:
Let’s say something along the lines of Iran starts treating Israel more like Egypt does.
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Ah. Sure, that would be a landmark peace deal. The question is how it gets there given the massive chasm between both countries. I'd love to have world peace and zero conflicts, but what one wants versus what's achievable are two different things. Now with increased animosity between Iran and Israel, that seems father apart than had the US negotiated a new nuclear arms agreement with Iran that Israel would be ok with. Of course a part of the problem is Netanyahu's been against that from day 1.
 
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