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Trump says he ‘couldn’t care less’ if auto prices rise because of tariffs

Big whooooop! (y)

These tariffs won't last no matter how much liberal bedwetters want to squawk about it.

In the meantime, buying a nice used car/truck from a reputable seller is often a better choice due to the lower taxation, registration fees, and insurance.

Yes, I went through a short period of new cars/trucks.....just once and learned fast. They are so over priced and although they are a necessity in today's world, it's such a waste of money and super bad investment to purchase new vehicles today. Luckily, I do have some mechanical aptitude, so buying used is an advantage being able to repair/fix many things, but those who cannot, seemingly they are screwed, blued, and tattooed with the crazy prices of new.

The last 25 years, I pay cash or only finance up to 24 months and then pay them off very early, giving me lower taxes and insurance rates also. I don't get it.....see people driving around in $90k dollar trucks or cars, like that's what we're supposed to do, lol......damn, they either have plenty of money to blow or not the brightest bulb, idk......not for me.
 
Yes, I went through a short period of new cars/trucks.....just once and learned fast. They are so over priced and although they are a necessity in today's world, it's such a waste of money and super bad investment to purchase new vehicles today. Luckily, I do have some mechanical aptitude, so buying used is an advantage being able to repair/fix many things, but those who cannot, seemingly they are screwed, blued, and tattooed with the crazy prices of new.

The last 25 years, I pay cash or only finance up to 24 months and then pay them off very early, giving me lower taxes and insurance rates also. I don't get it.....see people driving around in $90k dollar trucks or cars, like that's what we're supposed to do, lol......damn, they either have plenty of money to blow or not the brightest bulb, idk......not for me.
We used to buy used but about 10 years ago decided on new only and drive them into the ground.....
 
We used to buy used but about 10 years ago decided on new only and drive them into the ground.....

Yeah, if purchase new, one would need to drive them as long as possible to feel any return on investment......way too expensive for me. My state charges property taxes yearly on vehicles, so that's another added expense that makes new cars ridiculous, imo.
 
I'm happy to respond to this reasonable reply, and thank you for it.

You're welcome and in the interest of brevity (with our 5000 limit) I'll cut the agreement from the reply but acknowledge it.

I depicted where the path of economic isolationism leads.

Oddly enough, free-markets used to be the domain of Conservatives, and bane of Liberals. My how times have changed!

Free-markets should mean free of government interference but a more sophisticated understanding will acknowledged that other countries can have corporations work in conjunction with their governments to manipulate markets and those are not free markets when we compete with them. This isn't some no phenomenon. We've watched it happen for decades with China, Japan and others.

But I can't say it works for many of our fellow Americans. I've been wrenching (& racing!) since I was a kid. I have many friends, associates, and resources in the hot-rodding & auto maintenance communities. Ditto for electronics & telecommunications.

Most Americans do not have our knowledge and skills & resources, nor can they make the informed decisions and apply the remedies we can. They simply go out and buy a Corolla or trade in their iPhone or computer. And, I can't blame them.

Again agreement cut but this is here because I disagree. Many of these folks are simply following the easy path as established by GOVERNMENT with regard to easy credit, and policies that encourage disposability over repair. Like you say you can't blame them because they can SIMPLY go out and do those things. If they can't simply go out and do that, they will indeed do something else.

However, and I suspect you know this if you follow tech and other trends the way you claim above, you also then must know that even when something appears not to be serviceable we just mean not serviceable here. Your friends and family may not know how to get their battery serviced on theif phone but you do or did. Even crazier is if you were in foreign countries you'd see they have shops that can, swap out the storage chips, replace the backglass, repair ports and batteries easily on these "unserviceable" devices. We just don't have them here because we are "rich" and but "rich" it means we can borrow and so we have a throw away mentality.

That mentality can and will change though. We don't have to blame anyone but we can do it.
 
Well considering with all your questions and claims below your assertion is we do exactly zero here and have zero qualified workers, I can see why you'd come to that conclusion.



Good.



I realize some experts who have often been flaunted in the U.S. corporate media will make claims like that.



New FOREIGN vehicles become more expensive and here's what's funny about this. Every other TAX imposed on corporations and the rich, Democrats declare the rich will just have to absorb it, will never pass it on, and thus the poor and middle class will finally get their fair share via government redistribution of wealth.

I guess the only tax that ever fails on is tariffs. You don't find that odd?



Right now there is little demand for those used parts. The vehicles are often just scrapped for metal. This is a ready source of parts that we just don't use anymore.



It's sort of sad that every single conclusion you draw involves zero workers, zero companies and zero solutions ever happening or being successful in the United States.



It might but then again if you can ship the all the equipment you own back over the border, it might move a lot faster. Likewise we can get back to making things that are not just thrown away and are serviceable.
opinions noted.
So let's all allow illegal immigration into the United States, allow companies and factories to flee the United States and part of the problem is the Department of Education and Public Schools have FAILED the United States but the solution is... status quo and Trump bad.
sigh. The chip plant lack of qualified workers has nothing to do with illegal immigration.
Seems you are not up to date on some issues.
 
How many domestic car manufacturers basically gave up all the econo-boxes because the government gave them subsidies to pursue expensive EV's?

Some but it was more they moved towards larger vehicles like trucks and SUVS (not electric ones either) because they bring larger profits.
 
opinions noted.

sigh. The chip plant lack of qualified workers has nothing to do with illegal immigration.
Seems you are not up to date on some issues.

The chip plant didn't have a lack of qualified workers due to illegal immigration. It did have a lack of qualified workers because our public school system no longer has any sort of trade or technical education. It's college or bust.

Try again.
 
Some but it was more they moved towards larger vehicles like trucks and SUVS (not electric ones either) because they bring larger profits.

Many of them also, until recently, had different fuel efficiency standards.

The point remains that market manipulation via government regulation doesn't mean American companies can't make these products. They choose not to because of government manipulation.
 
A 2025 Kia K4 starts at $21,900.

The comparable 2025 Chevy Malibu starts at $25,800.

Did you graduate from Trump University? :unsure:
There's an excellent downloadable chart at this site.


The Malibu comes in at 39% US/Canada sourced, so that has to be divided, and 25% from Mexico. I'm guessing the remainder is US sourced.

So, the Malibu will be going up in price.

The K4 is 20% US/Canada, 40% Korea and 35% Mexico. The other 5% presumably US origin.

It will also be going up.

The Chevy is assembled in the US and the Kia is assembled in Mexico. Both cars' motors originate in the US but the Kia transmission comes from Mexico while the Malibu comes from the US.

Lots of data and lots of math which I am not in the mood for, but obviously, both cars will see price increases.
 
The chip plant didn't have a lack of qualified workers due to illegal immigration. It did have a lack of qualified workers because our public school system no longer has any sort of trade or technical education. It's college or bust.

Try again.
I misread your statement.
"So let's all allow illegal immigration into the United States, allow companies and factories to flee the United States and part of the problem is the Department of Education and Public Schools have FAILED the United States but the solution is... status quo and Trump bad."

Read it again. It had nothing to do with the chip plant It just an opinion statement.

Time will tell if Trump will fix the issue you noted.
I highly doubt education will improve. Blame Congress and the State Governments for the poor condition of our education system.
 
The chip plant didn't have a lack of qualified workers due to illegal immigration. It did have a lack of qualified workers because our public school system no longer has any sort of trade or technical education.
This isn't true.



Public/private partnerships are the new thing. It's really sad that it takes a Japanese company to partner with the local community college to train students to work at Elon Musk's gigafactory. America First, right? Don't ask a South African. Ask a Japanese.

The university has taken notice, as well. It offers a unique battery technology minor at the engineering school. I'm guessing China has been educating its students in modern technology for many years. We lag behind.


As to public/private partnerships, the university is constructing a new college of business building which is financed by a private investor. The building is coming along nicely, expected to open in the fall. A private hotel is being built right next to it, which will serve to finance the building's construction. Knowing how to work out finances between public institutions and private enterprise is highly desired. The university did an outstanding job. The collaboration won an award for this very type of financing.

Edgemoor. Brilliant strategists.



We do need to get smarter. Blaming the government doesn't get us there.

It's college or bust.

Try again.
 
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Wait to you see what happens with used cars!
Yep. Used car dealers will benefit. Industries that specialize in lower cost items will do okay. Canneries do well in hard times. Beans will sell. Big Macs will not.
 
Yep. Used car dealers will benefit. Industries that specialize in lower cost items will do okay. Canneries do well in hard times. Beans will sell. Big Macs will not.
I dunno what with the aluminum tariffs......
 
Exactly!

How much did this raise prices of cars!


Not by a small amount. That asshole loved to stick it to American consumers.
It probably didnt raise the car price at all because the tariffs were in place only to prevent china and a few other bad actors to avoid import duties that were in anyway.
So nothing essentially changed.
 
His cards say.... I will reciprocate whatever that country is doing to us. It's just fair trade.



Short vs long term. Not every corporation has gone there. Apple is a good recent example of a company that hasn't fully left China but used to be pretty much exclusively in China.



The solution is simply engage in proper free trade or be tariffed with fair trade. There's no pretend to be free but exploit the United States under Trump.



Then those Americans will be weighing the additional price vs potential return.

I myself own exclusively Toyotas and Fords. My commuter is a Toyota because lots of trouble free miles on them is worth the extra cost and they cost more even without tariffs.

My wife's car is a Ford. She drives far fewer miles and demand much higher trim levels. I know the lower cost of the Ford vs the Toyota at the same trim level could be eaten up in repairs but it's worth the gamble there.

I'm sure many families weigh and apply their own factors and will in the future as well.
1. No it’s not really . Because there is so much more that’s done by governments .

So “ we put a tariff on Canada because Canada puts a tariff on us ( let’s say us corn)

Except the us government highly subsidizes corn so it can outcompete other countries that don’t subsidize as much .

So it’s more complicated than just tariffs.

2. Second, the tariff really hurts american consumers who pay it. Canada and china aren’t paying the tariff. The consumer is.

And in the case of china? Their prices are already lower than any us manufacturer could produce it. Which is why the us doesn’t have that manufacturing.

So what’s going to happen? Four years of you paying more for goods.
No real change in manufacturing because the costs to manufacture are still high in the us ,

Now you might say “ but but it will even out in the us market”. Well maybe so. For 4 years maybe. But any manufacturing done in the us will not be able to compete on the world market where there are no tariffs.

3. Apple moving out of china and toward India has to do with the harshness of the Chinese covid lockdowns and protests over bad working conditions.

Apple saw the issue with having so many of there manufacturing eggs in one basket.

4, when we are the worlds reserve currency, when we are the largest and strongest economy in the world, it’s pretty laughable thinking that other countries are “ exploiting the us”.

It makes great talking points while you are paying more for goods in the us thinking you are “ sticking it to other countries”. When all you are doing is paying more than you would.


5. Exactly. So the us citizen will pay more for cars for the next few years while nothing in manufacturing changes.
 
A 2025 Kia K4 starts at $21,900.

The comparable 2025 Chevy Malibu starts at $25,800.

Did you graduate from Trump University? :unsure:
Did you foget to add 25% to the Kia? $27,375..... There you have it.

Did you even go to school?
 
Exactly. So the us citizen will pay more for cars for the next few years while nothing in manufacturing changes.
Manufacturers aren’t going to move much production to the States. Maybe just a little as window dressing to appease Trump.

They will ride out Trumpinomics and await more rational leadership out of Washington.
 
Many of them also, until recently, had different fuel efficiency standards.

The point remains that market manipulation via government regulation doesn't mean American companies can't make these products. They choose not to because of government manipulation.
No, your point doesn’t hold water. Government manipulation, whatever fantasy that is, isn’t why U.S. auto manufacturers aren’t producing as many smaller, less expensive cars. Good grief, follow the money. @americanwoman already nailed it, and you danced right around it in your quest to somehow be right. It’s profitability.

If there’s ever been an industry tuned into demand, it’s the automobile industry. The consumer demand shifted towards larger, more expensive vehicles when interest rates were low. The chip shortage emphasized that imbalance because why put chips that were scarce into cheaper models with less profit margin than expensive models with higher profit margins?

Consumer demand is what drives this business, not any so-called government manipulation. Cripes, how in today’s world do supercars, Dodge products with Hellcat engines, current Corvettes, full-size SUVs, and full-size pickup trucks exist for normal consumers with little regard for fuel efficiency standards? Because people still want them. And manufacturers make a boatload of profit making them. Check the last few years of the Big Three’s profits. It’s damn near obscene.
 
Good. About 95% of the idiots buying new cars shouldn't be. Math impaired nitwits.
 
Yes, I went through a short period of new cars/trucks.....just once and learned fast. They are so over priced and although they are a necessity in today's world, it's such a waste of money and super bad investment to purchase new vehicles today. Luckily, I do have some mechanical aptitude, so buying used is an advantage being able to repair/fix many things, but those who cannot, seemingly they are screwed, blued, and tattooed with the crazy prices of new.

The last 25 years, I pay cash or only finance up to 24 months and then pay them off very early, giving me lower taxes and insurance rates also. I don't get it.....see people driving around in $90k dollar trucks or cars, like that's what we're supposed to do, lol......damn, they either have plenty of money to blow or not the brightest bulb, idk......not for me.

I guess that I'm fortunate enough to where I can pay cash for any vehicle I want.

I'll stick with my 2004 GMC Sierra 5.3. It's like a favorite old tee shirt that the wife keeps trying to throw out.
 
I guess that I'm fortunate enough to where I can pay cash for any vehicle I want.

I'll stick with my 2004 GMC Sierra 5.3. It's like a favorite old tee shirt that the wife keeps trying to throw out.

Yes, much easier to work on, also......and I agree on those old tee shirts, hell once they start getting holes in them is when they're comfortable.
 
The two main drivers of inflation are printing money and fuel costs. Trump is addressing both.

And yet.....inflation is rising. LOL. Annnnd.....so are gasoline prices.

You really have to wonder what Universe the trumpist resides in.

Oh yeah: its the FOX Universe. My bad.
 
Yes, much easier to work on, also......and I agree on those old tee shirts, hell once they start getting holes in them is when they're comfortable.

You'll gladly wear rags around if thats where your Reality TeeVee Messiah leads you.

Lmao. good lord. truly bizarre.
 
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