Trump refuses to support Paul Ryan, John McCain in upcoming Republican primaries

[Casper]

Trump's ultimate endorsement probably did Ryan more harm than good. Trump is toxic and nobody with a brain wants to be associated with him.

Remember back in May when Sarah Palin and her band of fellow Trumpbots publicly declared war on Ryan for not jumping on the bandwagon to follow Trump into the cesspool? They declared his career over, attacked him on social media, all out of defense and loyalty to The Donald.

Look how well that worked out for them. If that wasn't a message from the voters that not all Republicans buy into Trump's ignorant nonsense simply because the lifelong liberal Democrat himself decided to hang an "R" after his name knowing he could appeal to voters without a clue, I don't know what is.

I actually am glad to see conservatives standing by their principles, God knows if I were a Republican I would be really pi*sed that my Party and fellow Republicans would embarrass Conservatives as a whole by nomination the snake oil salesman. There are several real Conservatives on this site that have said as much themselves, I applaud them all for sticking to what they truly believe. It also gives me some hope that the GOP might get their house in order after this election, because as an Independent I would like to have some actual viable choice. This year I have nothing other than to vote for Johnson or not vote on the Presidential election portion of the ballet and skip on to the State and local election where one can have their voice heard.

 

[Casper]

The so called many issues are nothing more than the leftwing smear campaign to get Hillary elected by talking about issues most of the left doesn't even understand. Trump did absolutely nothing to hurt the American people in general whereas everything Hillary has done has indeed hurt the American people whether it be with the economy or national security. She is totally and completely incompetent but today's left is ignoring her history. My bet is that today's Democrat Party would be demonizing JFK. You have such low standards and the question is why? Stop taking yourself so seriously and your vote at it means nothing in this state. Hillary will lose TX by 2-3 million votes.

By the way I was a JFK Democrat, JFK was a true Democrat, not a socialist like the party of Pelosi, Reid, and Obama. With Hillary in charge Rome isn't the issue, more like Greece

I disagree.

I have never belonged to either Party, I am simply a Citizen.

 

[Perotista]

I actually am glad to see conservatives standing by their principles, God knows if I were a Republican I would be really pi*sed that my Party and fellow Republicans would embarrass Conservatives as a whole by nomination the snake oil salesman. There are several real Conservatives on this site that have said as much themselves, I applaud them all for sticking to what they truly believe. It also gives me some hope that the GOP might get their house in order after this election, because as an Independent I would like to have some actual viable choice. This year I have nothing other than to vote for Johnson or not vote on the Presidential election portion of the ballet and skip on to the State and local election where one can have their voice heard.

I agree. This old Goldwater Conservative is also voting for Gary Johnson. Personally, I don't give a tinkers hoot who wins between Trump and Clinton. I am voting against both of them. I couldn't in good conscious ever support either one. As an independent, you might be interested in this. According to Gallup, 54% of all independents dislike both Trump and Hillary. Scroll down to the second table. Also 25% of all Americans regardless of Party affiliation disliked both candidates, Trump and Hillary.

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

You're not alone. Both Bloomberg and Economist/Yougov polls, the two latest, show Hillary Clinton at a 57% unfavorable rating nationwide. But not to be out done, both polls show Donald Trump at a 63% unfavorable nationwide. No one likes these two outside of their supporters.

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For giving us such horrible and unwanted candidates for president, both major parties ought to be disbanded and discarded on the trash heap of history. If our major parties were a business, they would be bankrupt with a 63% dissatisfaction rating. If these are the two best candidate the two major parties can come up with, they are indeed bankrupt of qualified candidates that the majority of Americans would like to see as the next president. As it is, the majority of Americans do not want either Trump or Clinton to be their next Clinton, but thanks to our two major parties, one of the extremely horrible individuals will be. Thanks a lot Republican and Democratic Party's.

 

[radcen]

Trump's ultimate endorsement probably did Ryan more harm than good. Trump is toxic and nobody with a brain wants to be associated with him.

Remember back in May when Sarah Palin and her band of fellow Trumpbots publicly declared war on Ryan for not jumping on the bandwagon to follow Trump into the cesspool? They declared his career over, attacked him on social media, all out of defense and loyalty to The Donald.

Look how well that worked out for them. If that wasn't a message from the voters that not all Republicans buy into Trump's ignorant nonsense simply because the lifelong liberal Democrat himself decided to hang an "R" after his name knowing he could appeal to voters without a clue, I don't know what is.

As far as the immediacy of the time between Trump's delayed endorsement and Ryan's primary, I don't think Trump's actions had any effect whatsoever. As far as a long term factor, that may be a different story.

 

[radcen]

I agree. This old Goldwater Conservative is also voting for Gary Johnson. Personally, I don't give a tinkers hoot who wins between Trump and Clinton. I am voting against both of them. I couldn't in good conscious ever support either one. As an independent, you might be interested in this. According to Gallup, 54% of all independents dislike both Trump and Hillary. Scroll down to the second table. Also 25% of all Americans regardless of Party affiliation disliked both candidates, Trump and Hillary.

One in Four Americans Dislike Both Presidential Candidates

You're not alone. Both Bloomberg and Economist/Yougov polls, the two latest, show Hillary Clinton at a 57% unfavorable rating nationwide. But not to be out done, both polls show Donald Trump at a 63% unfavorable nationwide. No one likes these two outside of their supporters.

http://assets.bwbx.io/documents/users/iqjWHBFdfxIU/rAjnCYJjgvBw/v0

https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/87uf641ayb/econTabReport.pdf

For giving us such horrible and unwanted candidates for president, both major parties ought to be disbanded and discarded on the trash heap of history. If our major parties were a business, they would be bankrupt with a 63% dissatisfaction rating. If these are the two best candidate the two major parties can come up with, they are indeed bankrupt of qualified candidates that the majority of Americans would like to see as the next president. As it is, the majority of Americans do not want either Trump or Clinton to be their next Clinton, but thanks to our two major parties, one of the extremely horrible individuals will be. Thanks a lot Republican and Democratic Party's.

Yet the vast majority of that 25% will vote for one or the other (of those who do vote).

 

[Conservative]

I disagree.

I have never belonged to either Party, I am simply a Citizen.

I don't belong to a political party either but am a Conservative. I was a JFK conservative until the Democrat Party left me and left no room in the party for a conservative. I will always vote for the more conservative of the two parties because logic, common sense, and basic math tells me that one of the two major parties is going to win. There are too many Obamabots out there that will vote simply for a D or a R to allow a third party candidate to win. I choose to try to work within and grow a third party from the ground up, not the top down.

What I see here is a concentrated effort to get that habitual liar and incompetent Hillary elected by promoting a third party candidate knowing damn well they cannot win but will take votes away from the R. This country cannot afford Hillary Clinton in the WH and the people here touting a third party or continuing to support Hillary better realize it.

 

[Casper]

I don't belong to a political party either but am a Conservative. I was a JFK conservative until the Democrat Party left me and left no room in the party for a conservative. I will always vote for the more conservative of the two parties because logic, common sense, and basic math tells me that one of the two major parties is going to win. There are too many Obamabots out there that will vote simply for a D or a R to allow a third party candidate to win. I choose to try to work within and grow a third party from the ground up, not the top down.

What I see here is a concentrated effort to get that habitual liar and incompetent Hillary elected by promoting a third party candidate knowing damn well they cannot win but will take votes away from the R. This country cannot afford Hillary Clinton in the WH and the people here touting a third party or continuing to support Hillary better realize it.

That is the correct way to build a new Party, if the GOP splits it would be from the ground up, Local, then State, and then Federal. Would love more options.
The Dems never had my vote, because of Hillary being the chosen one. The GOP lost my vote when they selected Trump, I, and many others will either vote for a third Party candidate or not at all, if some within the GOP can show their displeasure with the Party by selecting Trump others have the right to voice their opinion on the selection by not backing him, fair is fair.
My vote does not matter, Texas will go to Trump, same goes for the vast majority of other states, they go to the Party they always do, in tat the Dems already have an edge. Where Trump is in trouble are Swing States and those where the call is close, he simply does not have the support to make up the difference to overtake her, just simple math and the reality of the candidates. We The people are scr*wed no matter who wins.

 

[Perotista]

Yet the vast majority of that 25% will vote for one or the other (of those who do vote).

Most likely true. I went to RCP 4 candidate race an averaged out just the independent vote where that information was available inside the polls. For Independents only, it came out Clinton 35%, Trump 33% Johnson 19%, Stein 10%. Gallup states 54% of all independents dislike both candidates. So 29% of that 54% are opting at the moment for a third party candidate. That leaves 25% or a bit less than half of all of those who dislike both candidates choosing one or the other.

If one thinks about the above information, it is amazing that candidates which have no name recognition, are unheard of by almost everyone except us political junkies, receive no media coverage whatsoever, have no money to run ads, are unable to let the nation know where they stand on the issues or their visions for America mainly because of lack of cash. Also consider no Libertarian candidate had ever received as high as one percent of the total vote in its long history, the fact when looking at RCP averages that Johnson and Stein are pulling 13% of the total vote today is amazing. The only thing they have going for themselves is their last name isn't Trump or Clinton. Outside of that, the two major party candidates enjoy 100% of all the advantages.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

Just think if these two could get just a bit of national media attention. With the total dislike out there of the two major party candidates, I am sure combined they would probably double their vote totals of today. Even so, neither would win, the monopoly of donors, corporations, Wall Street Firms, lobbyists, special interests, mega huge money donors to the two major parties makes that impossible. But it is interesting to me to wonder what would happen if Johnson by some almost impossible major miracle polls the 15% to get him into the presidential debates. But that is a pipe dream. Without the tens of millions, perhaps even the hundreds of millions given by those moneyed people to the two major parties, third party candidates don't stand a chance. Clinton says she plans on spending two billion, Trump hasn't said, but I imagine it will be close. Johnson spent close to three million in 2012, probably has about that much to spend this time around, being outspent four billion or there about to three million pretty much determines a sure loss.

 

[Conservative]

Most likely true. I went to RCP 4 candidate race an averaged out just the independent vote where that information was available inside the polls. For Independents only, it came out Clinton 35%, Trump 33% Johnson 19%, Stein 10%. Gallup states 54% of all independents dislike both candidates. So 29% of that 54% are opting at the moment for a third party candidate. That leaves 25% or a bit less than half of all of those who dislike both candidates choosing one or the other.

If one thinks about the above information, it is amazing that candidates which have no name recognition, are unheard of by almost everyone except us political junkies, receive no media coverage whatsoever, have no money to run ads, are unable to let the nation know where they stand on the issues or their visions for America mainly because of lack of cash. Also consider no Libertarian candidate had ever received as high as one percent of the total vote in its long history, the fact when looking at RCP averages that Johnson and Stein are pulling 13% of the total vote today is amazing. The only thing they have going for themselves is their last name isn't Trump or Clinton. Outside of that, the two major party candidates enjoy 100% of all the advantages.

RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton vs. Johnson vs. Stein

Just think if these two could get just a bit of national media attention. With the total dislike out there of the two major party candidates, I am sure combined they would probably double their vote totals of today. Even so, neither would win, the monopoly of donors, corporations, Wall Street Firms, lobbyists, special interests, mega huge money donors to the two major parties makes that impossible. But it is interesting to me to wonder what would happen if Johnson by some almost impossible major miracle polls the 15% to get him into the presidential debates. But that is a pipe dream. Without the tens of millions, perhaps even the hundreds of millions given by those moneyed people to the two major parties, third party candidates don't stand a chance. Clinton says she plans on spending two billion, Trump hasn't said, but I imagine it will be close. Johnson spent close to three million in 2012, probably has about that much to spend this time around, being outspent four billion or there about to three million pretty much determines a sure loss.

What this shows is the power of the Press as I do not believe that any truly independent could ever vote for Hillary if they paid attention to her record, lies, and actual accomplishments. The media has a vested interest in the Clintons and the marketing of the Clintons by the media and the left should concern us all. the left coined the terms Great Recession and Saved Jobs and are now doing their best to prop up the experience of Clinton ignoring that there are no positive results from those positions held and totally ignoring her lies and what appears to be very questionable judgment on her part.

 

[Conservative]

That is the correct way to build a new Party, if the GOP splits it would be from the ground up, Local, then State, and then Federal. Would love more options.
The Dems never had my vote, because of Hillary being the chosen one. The GOP lost my vote when they selected Trump, I, and many others will either vote for a third Party candidate or not at all, if some within the GOP can show their displeasure with the Party by selecting Trump others have the right to voice their opinion on the selection by not backing him, fair is fair.
My vote does not matter, Texas will go to Trump, same goes for the vast majority of other states, they go to the Party they always do, in tat the Dems already have an edge. Where Trump is in trouble are Swing States and those where the call is close, he simply does not have the support to make up the difference to overtake her, just simple math and the reality of the candidates. We The people are scr*wed no matter who wins.

The answer is to change the GOP from the inside and whether you believe it or not Trump is doing that. Notice how Trump has alienated the elite leadership of both parties? Is that someone on the inside?

 

[trouble13]

Ryan won his primary with easy and Trumps endorsement had nothing to do with it. I would guess many Repubs up for re-election will be trying to distance themselves from the Donald, enough of them will end up losing their job because of the backlash against Trump and the GOP only has themselves to blame.

How is the gop to blame?

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[Perotista]

What this shows is the power of the Press as I do not believe that any truly independent could ever vote for Hillary if they paid attention to her record, lies, and actual accomplishments. The media has a vested interest in the Clintons and the marketing of the Clintons by the media and the left should concern us all. the left coined the terms Great Recession and Saved Jobs and are now doing their best to prop up the experience of Clinton ignoring that there are no positive results from those positions held and totally ignoring her lies and what appears to be very questionable judgment on her part.

Clinton is a badly flawed candidate with tons of baggage. I will agree with that. Independents do not like her, but they don't like Trump either. The Republicans had a chance to nominate a candidate that could have easily beaten Clinton, they didn't. Trump to most independents comes across as a 5th grade schoolyard bully, an 8 year old name caller. He comes across as anything but presidential. To many independents Trump comes across as bombastic and his image is that of someone running for a reality TV show host instead of the highest office in the land. Trump has a huge image problem with independents.

Independents are a completely different group of voters than those who voted in the Republican primaries. There finicky. They expect certain standards, but they usually are not ideologues and they are not partisan. Although independents can be broken down into three categories, those who lean Republican, those who lean Democrat and those who are pure or true independents. It is the later group that is going for Johnson and Stein today. The leans are the ones who show a slight Clinton lead among independents 35-33.

It is very hard for someone who is a true believe and supporter of either Trump or Clinton to admit or even realize how much both of them are disliked by the electorate as a whole. Trump crated most of the dislike of him himself. His crating feuds along with his foot in mouth disease. Trump is still in the same campaign mode he was during the primaries, playing to his base when he should be out there trying to expand it and bring independents aboard. Instead his actions, his name calling, his picking of feuds all are turning independents off. If he keeps this up, the only question is will those independents migrate to Hillary or to one of the third party candidates?

 

[Casper]

The answer is to change the GOP from the inside and whether you believe it or not Trump is doing that. Notice how Trump has alienated the elite leadership of both parties? Is that someone on the inside?

Oh, he is an outsider alright, heck he was a Democrat the day before he announced he was running for the GOP nomination, cannot be more an outsider than that. He did not just alienate the GOP leadership, he alienated many Republicans as we will see in November.

 

[Casper]

How is the gop to blame?

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They could not manage to find a quality candidate among the many qualified republicans out there, and that will not only cost the GOP the Whitehouse but may vey well cost them the Senate.

 

[Conservative]

Clinton is a badly flawed candidate with tons of baggage. I will agree with that. Independents do not like her, but they don't like Trump either. The Republicans had a chance to nominate a candidate that could have easily beaten Clinton, they didn't. Trump to most independents comes across as a 5th grade schoolyard bully, an 8 year old name caller. He comes across as anything but presidential. To many independents Trump comes across as bombastic and his image is that of someone running for a reality TV show host instead of the highest office in the land. Trump has a huge image problem with independents.

Independents are a completely different group of voters than those who voted in the Republican primaries. There finicky. They expect certain standards, but they usually are not ideologues and they are not partisan. Although independents can be broken down into three categories, those who lean Republican, those who lean Democrat and those who are pure or true independents. It is the later group that is going for Johnson and Stein today. The leans are the ones who show a slight Clinton lead among independents 35-33.

It is very hard for someone who is a true believe and supporter of either Trump or Clinton to admit or even realize how much both of them are disliked by the electorate as a whole. Trump crated most of the dislike of him himself. His crating feuds along with his foot in mouth disease. Trump is still in the same campaign mode he was during the primaries, playing to his base when he should be out there trying to expand it and bring independents aboard. Instead his actions, his name calling, his picking of feuds all are turning independents off. If he keeps this up, the only question is will those independents migrate to Hillary or to one of the third party candidates?

What we are seeing is the total destruction of Trump created by the marketing wing of the Democrat Party as well as support from the media. Most people seem to buy the rhetoric and ignore basic civics as well as don't do any research at all regarding the history of the candidate. Trump isn't a politician, but he is a businessman with leadership, management, and executive experience something Hillary doesn't have. There is way too much "American Idol" marketing today with people putting too much emphasis on being like, I prefer being respected, getting the job done. Like it or not Trump does get the job done, sometimes with negative results but other times very positive.

If you want what we have today then Clinton is your person but people better stop complaining about what we have today and then support Clinton as she is the establishment candidate with zero executive or management skills. Trump has pissed off the establishment leaders in both parties thus that works for me.

 

[Conservative]

Oh, he is an outsider alright, heck he was a Democrat the day before he announced he was running for the GOP nomination, cannot be more an outsider than that. He did not just alienate the GOP leadership, he alienated many Republicans as we will see in November.

Yes, i was a Democrat for years and years too as was Reagan. So what? What exactly did Trump DO that has alienated you? I am sick and tired of people believing what they want to believe and ignoring the substance. We have a 19.4 trillion dollar debt, stagnant GDP, a world on fire, high under employment, little respect around the world and the left's answer is more of the same?

 

[trouble13]

They could not manage to find a quality candidate among the many qualified republicans out there, and that will not only cost the GOP the Whitehouse but may vey well cost them the Senate.

They found 16 candidates to run. Because you dont like the one who won isn't the gops fault. The voters elected trump to represent the party.

What your saying is that trump is elected the democrats will be responsible for that because they lost.

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[Casper]

Yes, i was a Democrat for years and years too as was Reagan. So what? What exactly did Trump DO that has alienated you? I am sick and tired of people believing what they want to believe and ignoring the substance. We have a 19.4 trillion dollar debt, stagnant GDP, a world on fire, high under employment, little respect around the world and the left's answer is more of the same?

I never said more of he same, but Trump is not the answer to the issues.

 

[Casper]

They found 16 candidates to run. Because you dont like the one who won isn't the gops fault. The voters elected trump to represent the party.

What your saying is that trump is elected the democrats will be responsible for that because they lost.

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I liked ore than one, I just do not like the one the largest individual group in the GOP picked, he never got more than 50% support among Repubs.
Yes, it would be their fault had the GOP chosen someone acceptable to the majority of Americans, Hillary is not the answer either, problem is Trump is even more despised than Hillary, and so you have it, another lesser of evils, except this time there is no lesser.

 

[trouble13]

I liked ore than one, I just do not like the one the largest individual group in the GOP picked, he never got more than 50% support among Repubs.
Yes, it would be their fault had the GOP chosen someone acceptable to the majority of Americans, Hillary is not the answer either, problem is Trump is even more despised than Hillary, and so you have it, another lesser of evils, except this time there is no lesser.

Sure i dont disagree with anything you said here. I would perfer 2 different choices. The reality is that your in the same boat as i am. We live in a democratic republic and neither party elected a candidate we support.

Neither of them is as bad as the opposition makes them out to be but neither of them are going to lead us in the direction i think we should go. The best thing i can do is vote for whoever is closest to my views or not at all. Welcome to american politics.

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[Conservative]

I never said more of he same, but Trump is not the answer to the issues.

What issues are important to you that Trump hasn't addressed?

 

[Perotista]

What we are seeing is the total destruction of Trump created by the marketing wing of the Democrat Party as well as support from the media. Most people seem to buy the rhetoric and ignore basic civics as well as don't do any research at all regarding the history of the candidate. Trump isn't a politician, but he is a businessman with leadership, management, and executive experience something Hillary doesn't have. There is way too much "American Idol" marketing today with people putting too much emphasis on being like, I prefer being respected, getting the job done. Like it or not Trump does get the job done, sometimes with negative results but other times very positive.

If you want what we have today then Clinton is your person but people better stop complaining about what we have today and then support Clinton as she is the establishment candidate with zero executive or management skills. Trump has pissed off the establishment leaders in both parties thus that works for me.

Trump is defeating Trump. Its that simple. I don't want neither, I detest both Trump and Clinton. So I am going to vote for Gary Johnson. I think both Trump and Clinton are very horrible candidates and the two major parties should be disbanded and put on the trash heap of history by giving us these two to choose from.

But I am not biting. I won't vote for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate, the less horrible to be president. I will cast a vote against both. If you like Trump, that's fine. Vote for him. But I prefer someone who doesn't act like a 5th grade schoolyard bully or calls people names like an eight year old who hasn't been taught any manners by his parents. I also prefer someone who isn't totally corrupt like Hillary.

We already have the best government money can buy. That isn't about to change regardless of who wins between Hillary and Trump. This year should have been a banner year for the Republicans, they almost had the White House locked up knowing Hillary would be the Democratic Candidate. All they had to do was nominate a decent candidate. They failed to do that. The Republicans accomplished the impossible, they nominated someone more disliked by America than Clinton.

Say what you will about likes and dislikes, but folks usually will not vote for someone they dislike. It is fairly simple.

 

[Conservative]

Trump is defeating Trump. Its that simple. I don't want neither, I detest both Trump and Clinton. So I am going to vote for Gary Johnson. I think both Trump and Clinton are very horrible candidates and the two major parties should be disbanded and put on the trash heap of history by giving us these two to choose from.

But I am not biting. I won't vote for the lesser of two evils or the least worst candidate, the less horrible to be president. I will cast a vote against both. If you like Trump, that's fine. Vote for him. But I prefer someone who doesn't act like a 5th grade schoolyard bully or calls people names like an eight year old who hasn't been taught any manners by his parents. I also prefer someone who isn't totally corrupt like Hillary.

We already have the best government money can buy. That isn't about to change regardless of who wins between Hillary and Trump. This year should have been a banner year for the Republicans, they almost had the White House locked up knowing Hillary would be the Democratic Candidate. All they had to do was nominate a decent candidate. They failed to do that. The Republicans accomplished the impossible, they nominated someone more disliked by America than Clinton.

Say what you will about likes and dislikes, but folks usually will not vote for someone they dislike. It is fairly simple.

Yes, it is fairly simple, people vote emotionally and not rationally. Trump was never my choice but a vote for Johnson puts Hillary in the WH, that is the simple reality and to me that is unfathomable. The women is totally incompetent and you can say that the Trump rhetoric turns you off but quite frankly rhetoric never truly bothered me especially since that rhetoric has pissed of the leadership of both the Democrat and Republican Party. You may not like the rhetoric but this is about putting America first again, changing the tone in DC from a dependent entitlement society to put personal responsibility first again. We may not get it with Trump but we certainly won't get it with Hillary as she his beholden to her big donors and her own selfish desires. There is nothing that qualifies her for the WH and there is plenty that qualifies Trump especially in a private sector economy.

Interesting that a lot of people talk about Gary Johnson but very few explain why? Seems to me he is just an alternative to Clinton and Trump but math says a very unlikely alternative as he will never get the votes to get elected but he will take votes from Trump putting Hillary in the WH. Tell me any Johnson voter who would vote for Hillary and why?

 

[Perotista]

Yes, it is fairly simple, people vote emotionally and not rationally. Trump was never my choice but a vote for Johnson puts Hillary in the WH, that is the simple reality and to me that is unfathomable. The women is totally incompetent and you can say that the Trump rhetoric turns you off but quite frankly rhetoric never truly bothered me especially since that rhetoric has pissed of the leadership of both the Democrat and Republican Party. You may not like the rhetoric but this is about putting America first again, changing the tone in DC from a dependent entitlement society to put personal responsibility first again. We may not get it with Trump but we certainly won't get it with Hillary as she his beholden to her big donors and her own selfish desires. There is nothing that qualifies her for the WH and there is plenty that qualifies Trump especially in a private sector economy.

Interesting that a lot of people talk about Gary Johnson but very few explain why? Seems to me he is just an alternative to Clinton and Trump but math says a very unlikely alternative as he will never get the votes to get elected but he will take votes from Trump putting Hillary in the WH. Tell me any Johnson voter who would vote for Hillary and why?

For those of us who detest both Trump and Clinton, Johnson is very much a viable alternative. It give us a chance to voice our displeasure against both Trump and Clinton and allows us to vote the down ticket. Those who choose to stay home and not vote at all because they can't stomach both, they are letting their voice in the down ticket candidates go unheard. Those who stay home and don't vote are also letting the two major parties have their say as to whom our choices are in November. A vote for Johnson or Stein or any other third party say, "Whoa, you messed up two major parties, you gave us two candidates that aren't worth choosing between. I am not going to choose putting someone horrible into the Oval Office if only by a matter of degree, because that is who you want.

Funny that you look at a vote Johnson as supporting Hillary. Just yesterday a Hillary supporter told me my vote for Johnson was a vote for Trump. That is propaganda BS. You want my vote along with 21% of all independents who state they will be voting for Johnson, give us a decent candidate other than Trump. Kasich, Rubio, Carson, almost any other Republican would have had mine and probably most of Johnson's Libertarian votes. Libertarians tend not to vote for their own candidate, they usually choose the Republican candidate by about a 2-1 margin. This time it is Republicans, approximately 9% of Republicans choosing the Libertarian Candidate if the polls are to be believed.

By the way, in 2012 I also voted for Johnson. I lost faith in one candidate and didn't trust the other. I do trust Johnson to do what he thinks is best for this country. No so with Trump and Clinton. All you have there is a clash of huge ego's.

 

[radcen]

For those of us who detest both Trump and Clinton, Johnson is very much a viable alternative. It give us a chance to voice our displeasure against both Trump and Clinton and allows us to vote the down ticket. Those who choose to stay home and not vote at all because they can't stomach both, they are letting their voice in the down ticket candidates go unheard. Those who stay home and don't vote are also letting the two major parties have their say as to whom our choices are in November. A vote for Johnson or Stein or any other third party say, "Whoa, you messed up two major parties, you gave us two candidates that aren't worth choosing between. I am not going to choose putting someone horrible into the Oval Office if only by a matter of degree, because that is who you want.

Funny that you look at a vote Johnson as supporting Hillary. Just yesterday a Hillary supporter told me my vote for Johnson was a vote for Trump. That is propaganda BS. You want my vote along with 21% of all independents who state they will be voting for Johnson, give us a decent candidate other than Trump. Kasich, Rubio, Carson, almost any other Republican would have had mine and probably most of Johnson's Libertarian votes. Libertarians tend not to vote for their own candidate, they usually choose the Republican candidate by about a 2-1 margin. This time it is Republicans, approximately 9% of Republicans choosing the Libertarian Candidate if the polls are to be believed.

By the way, in 2012 I also voted for Johnson. I lost faith in one candidate and didn't trust the other. I do trust Johnson to do what he thinks is best for this country. No so with Trump and Clinton. All you have there is a clash of huge ego's.

Traditionally, Libertarians and conservative independents (Perot, et al) have taken votes from the Reps while liberal independents (Nader, etc.) have taken votes away from the Dems. This election seems to be breaking traditional rules all over the place.