Trump pressured Nielsen to release detained immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities

[Obscurity]

This thread is a prefect example of how Trump supporters could give a **** up breaking the law.

The only thing these ingrates care about is hearing the words their overlord says.

The rest is a bonus.

 

[Obscurity]

Damned with faint praise, to be sure, Cardinal. Damned with faint praise.

But let me be clear: I live in California, the quintessential "Sanctuary State." I would be one of those most affected by this scheme. Especially since I already live in a community that has large numbers illegal immigrants living among us. Or perhaps we are simply living among many illegal immigrants. I don't care to ask. So this is not theory to me. This may come as a shock to many here from a conservative Republican, but brown people who speak mostly Spanish do not scare me and I feel little animus towards them since they are mostly very socially conservative and hard working people. A few more decent, hard-working socially conservative people living around me does not scare me. So long as they obey the law and leave me be, I am fine.

Social conservatism is a hideous ideology and must be eradicated from our secular humanist society. Social conservatism is the ideology of hate and power.

 

[Airyaman]

Responses by many right wingers in this thread indicate they have no clue about several things, one of them being the idea of a sanctuary city (or state).

 

[rocket88]

DHS legal team stopped it according to the article. Not the "left".

Even worse! It's the Deep State conspiracy and their "laws." Trump's word should he the law, all hail the God-Emperor!

 

[rocket88]

Responses by many right wingers in this thread indicate they have no clue about several things, one of them being the idea of a sanctuary city (or state).

They don't want to know facts. Facts are a left wing conspiracy.

 

[uptower]

I do not understand why this is so upsetting

Trump wishes to release immigrants into places where they are specifically being welcomed: The monster.

Because in his mind it would cause headaches for those cities. Rather like he enjoys withholding disaster aid from states and regions that didn't vote for him.

He might have been wrong: perhaps those sanctuary cities really would be the best place for migrants, but he didn't know that. He believed he was causing them trouble. He thought he was being suitably malicious and mean.

As I've pointed out elsewhere trump is not hard to read. He lies, he obfuscates, he confuses. But his intention is clear because he wears his cruel black heart on his sleeve. One thing he is always consistent in is the pleasure he takes in sowing chaos, creating crises and pissing people off.

And that makes him a s**tty excuse for a president.

 

[Athanasius68]

Responses by many right wingers in this thread indicate they have no clue about several things, one of them being the idea of a sanctuary city (or state).

Post # 17 observed that there would be procedural issues and difficulties with trying to operate a program in such a manner.

Post #18 asked about the conceptual problem with this.
Why is it wrong to send illegal immigrants to communities who otherwise have no stated issues with illegal immigration issue and who have fought for the right to not cooperate with the feds on enforcing immigration law?

 

[Hypothetical]

Because in his mind it would cause headaches for those cities. Rather like he enjoys withholding disaster aid from states and regions that didn't vote for him.

He might have been wrong: perhaps those sanctuary cities really would be the best place for migrants, but he didn't know that. He believed he was causing them trouble. He thought he was being suitably malicious and mean.

As I've pointed out elsewhere trump is not hard to read. He lies, he obfuscates, he confuses. But his intention is clear because he wears his cruel black heart on his sleeve. One thing he is always consistent in is the pleasure he takes in sowing chaos, creating crises and pissing people off.

And that makes him a s**tty excuse for a president.

how do you know his mind? how does an unnamed source know his mind? do you have proof this is his reasoning?

it seems perfectly logical to me. the whole democrat point about illegal aliens is that they help the economies of the places that need cheap labor, so why not send them to the places that have declared they want them?

 

[Airyaman]

Post # 17 observed that there would be procedural issues and difficulties with trying to operate a program in such a manner.

Post #17 was not typed by a right winger.

Post #18 asked about the conceptual problem with this.
Why is it wrong to send illegal immigrants to communities who otherwise have no stated issues with illegal immigration issue and who have fought for the right to not cooperate with the feds on enforcing immigration law?

Post #18 is wrong. Sanctuary localities do not have "governments of which state that they welcome them with open arms and will shield them from unwarranted persecution?"

 

[sjmay]

It's ILLEGAL for Christ's sake, AGAINST THE LAW. Trump was demanding DHS and Kirstjen Nielson to commit a crime!!

Which law? Why is it illegal to catch and release, is that not what Obama was doing instead of separating families?

 

[j-mac]

The OP is pure fake news....Its CNN for christ sake!

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[Athanasius68]

Post #17 was not typed by a right winger.



Post #18 is wrong. Sanctuary localities do not have "governments of which state that they welcome them with open arms and will shield them from unwarranted persecution?"

1. What does that have to do with anything?

2. "Unwarranted prosecution" often seems prosecutions based upon being in the country illegally.

 

[Athanasius68]

Because in his mind it would cause headaches for those cities. Rather like he enjoys withholding disaster aid from states and regions that didn't vote for him.

He might have been wrong: perhaps those sanctuary cities really would be the best place for migrants, but he didn't know that. He believed he was causing them trouble. He thought he was being suitably malicious and mean.

As I've pointed out elsewhere trump is not hard to read. He lies, he obfuscates, he confuses. But his intention is clear because he wears his cruel black heart on his sleeve. One thing he is always consistent in is the pleasure he takes in sowing chaos, creating crises and pissing people off.

And that makes him a s**tty excuse for a president.

Subtly and maliciously mean to who?

 

[marke]

[h=1]Trump pressured Nielsen to release detained immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities[/h]Trump pressured Nielsen to release detained immigrants into so-called sanctuary cities - CNNPolitics

Washington (CNN)The Trump administration pressured the Department of Homeland Security to release immigrants detained at the southern border into so-called sanctuary cities in part to retaliate against Democrats who oppose President Donald Trump's plans for a border wall, a source familiar with the discussions told CNN on Thursday.

Trump personally pushed Homeland Security Secretary Kirstjen Nielsen to follow through on the plan, the source said. Nielsen resisted and the DHS legal team eventually produced an analysis that killed the plan, which was first reported by The Washington Post.

The proposal is another example of Trump's willingness to enact hardline immigration policies to deliver on border security, a key issue for his political base. Thursday's reports come as the President has amplified his rhetoric on illegal immigration in recent weeks, even threatening to close the southern border if Congress and Mexico don't take action.
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Trump planned retaliation to sanctuary cities and asked Kristjen Nielson to release immigrants they captured released into sanctuary cities. No doubt this was Stephen Miller's plan and propaganda for the upcoming 2020 election. DHS said 'no, that's illegal'.

"These are human beings, not game pieces," the official said.

I feel sorry for Kristjen for having to endure the brutal savage uncivilized treatment she suffered under democrat barbarians constantly attacking everything Trump.

 

[haymarket]

And Trump wanted to do this because....?

 

[Airyaman]

1. What does that have to do with anything?

You must not have fully read the post you were responding to.

2. "Unwarranted prosecution" often seems prosecutions based upon being in the country illegally.

Persecution != prosecution

 

[sjmay]

And Trump wanted to do this because....?

Maybe he thought it was better than separating families, is this not the same catch and release that Obama was doing? Except instead of making them fend for themselves, he was going to take them to cities that would take them in?

 

[haymarket]

Maybe he thought it was better than separating families, is this not the same catch and release that Obama was doing? Except instead of making them fend for themselves, he was going to take them to cities that would take them in?

Thank you for that explanation. That sound perfectly.............. well, it sound perfectly absurd.

 

[American]

I do not understand why this is so upsetting.

Trump refuses illegal immigrants and asylum seekers entry: The monster.

Trump seeks to deport illegal immigrants: the monster.

Trump wishes to detain immigrants and asylum seekers for processing: The monster.

Trump wishes to release immigrants into places where they are specifically being welcomed: The monster.

Should these people be deported? Should they be detained? Should they be released into the interior with no direction?

What should be done and why?

HumblePi is looking to increase Democrat voter rolls for his party. Remember son, these are human beings, not game pieces.

 

[pinqy]

2. "Unwarranted prosecution" often seems prosecutions based upon being in the country illegally.

Unlawful presence is not a crime and cannot be prosecuted. You can be deported and barred from admission, but there’s no prosecution.

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor, but unlawful presence doesn’t necessarily mean illegal entry.

 

[Athanasius68]

You must not have fully read the post you were responding to.



Persecution != prosecution

1. My note referenced the portion of the post concerned with the practical administration of the program.

2. My note referenced the conceptual objections to such an idea.

 

[haymarket]

Jeffery Toobin on CNN yesterday described this as GROTESQUE and that one word seems to fit this like a glove.

Jeffrey Toobin on proposed policy: This is grotesque - CNN Video

What kind of evil creature is Trump anyway? This is absurd even for Trump.

 

[Athanasius68]

Unlawful presence is not a crime and cannot be prosecuted. You can be deported and barred from admission, but there’s no prosecution.

Illegal entry is a misdemeanor, but unlawful presence doesn’t necessarily mean illegal entry.

However. The problem had been where do these folks go while waiting for their hearing?

 

[sjmay]

Thank you for that explanation. That sound perfectly.............. well, it sound perfectly absurd.

So, you were fine with everyone else doing it? But Trump...now it's absurd,

Thank you for that spark of partisan bull**** so early in the morning....

 

[TheParser]

IF those undocumented adults and children had been sent to sanctuary cities, some open-door advocates would have privately lost their enthusiasm for allowing the current chaos on the border.

People learn ONLY through brutal experience.