Trump picks charter school advocate Betty Devoss[W:286:799]*************

[rabbitcaebannog]

If that "parenting" occurs in place of normal K-12 instruction then they still miss out on important class/social time.

Well, many of additional mandates that cost a lot of money are not mandates that take place during class time.

 

[ttwtt78640]

Well, many of additional mandates that cost a lot of money are not mandates that take place during class time.

They are still less expensive and should be preferred over prison and/or having the next generation of morons.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

The "poor house" is a sort of live in, work release, facility that educates "poor" parents and provides them with 24/7 childcare assistance as required. Poverty is a cycle that is not likely to be broken on a part-time basis.

Poor houses have already been tried: THE DISILLUSIONMENT


By mid-century, people were beginning to question the success of the poorhouse movement. Investigations were launched to examine the conditions in poorhouses. They had proven to be much more expensive than had been anticipated. And they had not significantly reduced the numbers of the "unworthy poor" nor eliminated the need for "outdoor relief". [ This was public assistance given to those living outside the poorhouses. It was given somewhat grudgingly to those considered to be (perhaps!) more "worthy" poor --who might only briefly and temporarily require assistance to procure food or fuel or clothing when they fell on very short-term hard times.] HISTORY

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

They are still less expensive and should be preferred over prison and/or having the next generation of morons.

Okay, yes we agree on this point. Those mandates are less expensive and should most definitely be preferred over prisons!

 

[ttwtt78640]

Poor houses have already been tried: THE DISILLUSIONMENT


By mid-century, people were beginning to question the success of the poorhouse movement. Investigations were launched to examine the conditions in poorhouses. They had proven to be much more expensive than had been anticipated. And they had not significantly reduced the numbers of the "unworthy poor" nor eliminated the need for "outdoor relief". [ This was public assistance given to those living outside the poorhouses. It was given somewhat grudgingly to those considered to be (perhaps!) more "worthy" poor --who might only briefly and temporarily require assistance to procure food or fuel or clothing when they fell on very short-term hard times.] HISTORY

Hmm... what is next - stating the shortcomings of 19th century medicine and public transit systems?

 

[Jack Hays]

First, according to the PISA, our country does a better job of educating the poor although we are being introduced to more and more poor as our country goes down the tubes due to our economic situations/system set up for the rich by the very rich. For us to copy a failed model like Chile is really not a good way to address poverty and the impact it has in this country and to education.

I doubt we agree on enough basics to find common ground on education. I don't agree our country is going "down the tubes" and I don't think our economy is set up only for the rich. I don't know anything about education in Chile and I don't care. I know poor performance will spawn exploration of alternatives and, in this case, the parents of poorly served students are often the most ardent advocates of alternatives. It only takes one time watching parents push through a teachers' union picket line to register for a charter school lottery to understand who is on the side of the children.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

I doubt we agree on enough basics to find common ground on education. I don't agree our country is going "down the tubes" and I don't think our economy is set up only for the rich. I don't know anything about education in Chile and I don't care. I know poor performance will spawn exploration of alternatives and, in this case, the parents of poorly served students are often the most ardent advocates of alternatives. It only takes one time watching parents push through a teachers' union picket line to register for a charter school lottery to understand who is on the side of the children.

May I have an example where this is happening?

 

[ttwtt78640]

First, according to the PISA, our country does a better job of educating the poor although we are being introduced to more and more poor as our country goes down the tubes due to our economic situations/system set up for the rich by the very rich. For us to copy a failed model like Chile is really not a good way to address poverty and the impact it has in this country and to education.

Taxing work more to subsidize more out-of-wedlock childbirth will surely fix that.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Hmm... what is next - stating the shortcomings of 19th century medicine and public transit systems?

I have to say if we had a strong public transit system here it would make a huge difference on how households get to save money instead of having to depend on costly items like a car. I also think that kind of infrastructure would put more people to work.

 

[justabubba]

So, let's give the poor students an opportunity to leave those schools and choose one that does a better job.

does every student get a taxpayer covered taxi ride to drive them to/from their school of choice, no matter how remote it may be from their residence?

 

[ttwtt78640]

I have to say if we had a strong public transit system here it would make a huge difference on how households get to save money instead of having to depend on costly items like a car. I also think that kind of infrastructure would put more people to work.

I have yet to figure out how to get my tools, ladders and cooler to/from the job site using public transit. I find that a small trailer behind a truck/SUV works quite well.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Taxing work more to subsidize more out-of-wedlock childbirth will surely fix that.

The problem becomes who should take on the costs? Well, by putting more people to work by having an infrastructure project that will benefit the country is a win win in my book

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

I have yet to figure out how to get my tools, ladders and cooler to/from the job site using public transit. I find that a small trailer behind a truck/SUV works quite well.

I'm not saying it would benefit every single person as far as usage. I live close enough to walk to work. However, it would benefit the country as a whole.

 

[justabubba]

It's not really that complicated if you look at the data. The data shows overwhelmingly that the schools that do the worst are those in the poorest areas with largest numbers of the neediest students.

EXACTLY!
fix the povery, cure the school problem

 

[OpportunityCost]

i have a difficult time understanding how this would be implemented so that it works for all students, including those from poor families without adequate transportation. how do those kids get to/from their schools of choice when those schools are remote from their homes?

The future of education will not be in classrooms but in virtual classes in their own homes. Our current model is a dinosaur that may manage to hang on for a few more decades but we better start becoming forward thinking about education and we better do it very soon.

 

[Jack Hays]

May I have an example where this is happening?

That happened several years ago in the District of Columbia.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

The future of education will not be in classrooms but in virtual classes in their own homes. Our current model is a dinosaur that may manage to hang on for a few more decades but we better start becoming forward thinking about education and we better do it very soon.

Online school do work for some kids. With that said, it doesn't work for many for various reasons including the amount of people that have to work and don't have the luxury of staying home while their child is be schooled online.

 

[Militant_Vegan_]

Taxing work more to subsidize more out-of-wedlock childbirth will surely fix that.

the idea is to break the chain so we don't end with the kind of people that keep doing that. Thinking like that involves imagining the big picture.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

That happened several years ago in the District of Columbia.

Feel free to share the specific circumstances that will answer the question I posed to you.

 

[Jack Hays]

Feel free to share the specific circumstances that will answer the question I posed to you.

Too long ago. I know what I saw: teachers picketing a charter school lottery registration.

 

[OpportunityCost]

Online school do work for some kids. With that said, it doesn't work for many for various reasons including the amount of people that have to work and don't have the luxury of staying home while their child is be schooled online.

You are missing the scope of the VR tech and scale of change coming. Children could be able to take part at childcare or still attend a facility with VR lectures and be assisted by those able to field questions, adjuncts and yes, maybe teachers.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

Too long ago. I know what I saw: teachers picketing a charter school lottery registration.

As usually, we are to take your anecdotal evidence as truth. I'll take it with a grain of salt until you can produce me something for proof.

 

[rabbitcaebannog]

You are missing the scope of the VR tech and scale of change coming. Children could be able to take part at childcare or still attend a facility with VR lectures and be assisted by those able to field questions, adjuncts and yes, maybe teachers.

Those system may work for self motivated children without disabilities and/or other issues that may prevent them from gaining the support needed to do well with this kind of teaching.

 

[ttwtt78640]

the idea is to break the chain so we don't end with the kind of people that keep doing that. Thinking like that involves imagining the big picture.

I understand that. The point is that we are going in the opposite direction yet we carry on hoping for change. Dependence begets more dependence.

 

[Jack Hays]

As usually, we are to take your anecdotal evidence as truth. I'll take it with a grain of salt until you can produce me something for proof.

There will be no proof, and I don't care about your grain of salt.