Trump Pardons Michael Flynn, Who Pleaded Guilty To Lying About Russia Contact

[pamak]

Turns out that he was wrong.

There was quite a bit of there there.

Yep!

Such thing is not evidence that Flynn did not lie. It is evidence that Flynn was a good liar.

Eventually the FBI agents were convinced that Flynn lied which is why they charged him THEN and not during the period when some of them expressed doubts!

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

I already explained it

Yes, in the beginning one FBI expressed scepticism, but as more evidence was gathered it became clear that Flynn lied and even top senior Trump advisers agreed that Flynn could not have forgotten the content of the conversation he had with the Russian ambassador.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Page 171

According to McFarland, Flynn mentioned that the Russian response to the sanctions was not going to be
escalatory because they wanted a good relationship with the incoming Administration.
Based on the evidence of Flynn’s contacts with Kislyak, McGahn and Priebus concluded that Flynn could not have forgotten the details of the discussions of sanctions and had instead been lying about what he discussed with Kislyak
...

After reviewing the materials and speaking with Flynn, McGahn and Priebus concluded that Flynn should be terminated and recommended that course of
action to the President.

McGahn and Priebus were Trump's top aids.

In short, Barr used smoke and mirrors to confuse you by selecting views from agents at convenient dates when they had not a full grasp of all the relevant facts!

I read that and came to the same conclusion as Strzok. There is no there there there! You can bet thatr as soon as Biden is President elect his staff will be talking to foreigners also. It's done all the time.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Read the reports.

It isn’t a hoax. It actually happened.

Now if you don’t care that it happened, that is a separate issue.... but it all happened.

What 'all happened'??

 

[Jezcoe]

I read that and came to the same conclusion as Strzok. There is no there there there! You can bet thatr as soon as Biden is President elect his staff will be talking to foreigners also. It's done all the time.

Biden is President Elect.

He is not conducting foreign policy yet.

 

[pamak]

I read that and came to the same conclusion as Strzok. There is no there there there! You can bet thatr as soon as Biden is President elect his staff will be talking to foreigners also. It's done all the time.

Then you did not read what I posted.


At the time of the different comments you see from various FBI agents , the whole picture was not available to any agent.

Notice also the date when McFarland testified (from the footnotes of the Mueller report)

McFarland 12/22/17

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Biden is President Elect.

He is not conducting foreign policy yet.

He is not president-elect until the states certify the vote.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Then you did not read what I posted.


At the time of the different cmments you see from various FB agents , the whole picture was not available to any agent.

Notice also the date when McFarland testified (from the footnotes of the Mueller report

McFarland 12/22/17

I certainly read page 171 and there was nothing unusual or improper and certainly not illegal. Are you aware of Hillary Clinton's role in all of this?

 

[radioman]

You can bet thatr as soon as Biden is President elect his staff will be talking to foreigners also. It's done all the time.

Then I would suggest they not lie about their conversations.

 

[Jezcoe]

He is not president-elect until the states certify the vote.

Biden is President Elect.

Just because the current President is a petulant baby doesn’t change that reality.

 

[pamak]

I certainly read page 171 and there was nothing unusual or improper and certainly not illegal. Are you aware of Hillary Clinton's role in all of this?

Did you read the fact that BOTH McGahn and Priebus concluded that Flynn could not have forgotten the details of the discussions of sanctions and had instead been lying about what he discussed with Kislyak?

If you did, then you need to admit that Flynn lied also to the FBI investigators when he claimed that he could not recall having any such conversation with the Russian ambassador about the sanctions

ps. Because there are two volumes.

Go to the SECOND Volume on page 37

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Based on the evidence of Flynn’s contacts with Kislyak, McGahn and Priebus concluded that Flynn could not have forgotten the details of the discussions of sanctions and had instead been lying about what he discussed with Kislyak. 202 Flynn had also told White House officials that the FBI had told him that the FBI was closing out its investigation of him,203 but Eisenberg did not believe him.204 After reviewing the materials and speaking with Flynn, McGahn and Priebus concluded that Flynn should be terminated and recommended that course of action to the President.205

See also the date of some of this info. It comes from sworn testomonies by McGahn and Priebus

205 SCR015_000202 (2/15/17 Draft Memorandum to file from the Office of the Counsel to the President); Priebus 10/13/17 302, at 10; McGahn 11/30/17 302, at 12.

Clinton could not even protect herself from Comey when he announced the reopening of her investigation a couple of weeks before the election date, lol

 

[iguanaman]

Yes, the FBI hierarchy was certainly wrong, which is why they were fired, dismissed or took early retirement. Seems like you and other leftists still believe in the Russia hoax. They certainly did a number on you.

They were fired by the one term mistake to cover up his Russian ties. We will now get to see just how deep they went. You will be appalled.

 

[Atomic Kid]

?????? Those agents who interviewed him didnt think he lied.

They knew that he had lied to them. They simply commented that he just didn't exhibit any of the signs of deception they are trained to watch for. Flynn lied to a lot of people. Senior members in his administration, his own lawyers. and a federal judge. Flynn is apparently very comfortable with lying.

 

[Athanasius68]

Since when is Flynn or any other investigated subject entittled to be informed about any FBI investigation? The standard practice is to not leak such info!

That's the point. Trump was under investigation.
And now we are back to the all consuming question-- what was the basis for doing so? There was no evidence of any sort of conspiracy involving Mr. Trump.

 

[Athanasius68]

Comey did not say that there was no problem with Flynn lying about his conversations with the Russian ambassador to members of the incoming administration. Mueller corroborated Comey and also explained why there was a security concern with Flynn's behavior.

Comey said he saw no criminal or counter-intelligence concern with the conversation.
One can safely conclude he saw no issue with it.

And do not give us the crap about the "normal procedures" when for years you try to defend all the irregularities that Flynn and others of his ilk did based on the claim that they did nothing illegal. Comey did nothing illegal too. And yes, Comey has often deviated from protocol. This is why he took the initiative to make a public comment about the re-opening of Clinton's

What irregularities by Flynn?
Comey was fired because he violated norms in re-opening the investigation in the manner he did.

 

[Jezcoe]

That's the point. Trump was under investigation.
And now we are back to the all consuming question-- what was the basis for doing so? There was no evidence of any sort of conspiracy involving Mr. Trump.

The basis for the counterintelligence operation on the Trump campaign is well spelled out in the Mueller report.

People really should read that thing.

 

[Jezcoe]

Comey said he saw no criminal or counter-intelligence concern with the conversation.
One can safely conclude he saw no issue with it.



What irregularities by Flynn?
Comey was fired because he violated norms in re-opening the investigation in the manner he did.

Comey was fired because he wasn't going to go easy on Flynn because the President simply asked him to.

 

[Athanasius68]

Comey was fired because he wasn't going to go easy on Flynn because the President simply asked him to.

Comey went easy on Flynn. It was Mueller who brought the charges.
Comey didn't think there was an issue.

 

[MTAtech]

Comey went easy on Flynn. It was Mueller who brought the charges.
Comey didn't think there was an issue.

One reason Comey was fired was because he wouldn't agree to going easy on Flynn.
If Comey "didn't think it was an issue," why did he object to DOJ dropping charges against Flynn?

Comey, McCabe slams Justice for dropping Flynn case: ‘Pure politics designed to please’ Trump

Former FBI Director James Comey and former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe slammed the Justice Department’s decision to drop its case against former national security adviser Michael Flynn on cha…

thehill.com

 

[Athanasius68]

One reason Comey was fired was because he wouldn't agree to going easy on Flynn.
If Comey "didn't think it was an issue," why did he object to DOJ dropping charges against Flynn?

Comey, McCabe slams Justice for dropping Flynn case: ‘Pure politics designed to please’ Trump

Former FBI Director James Comey and former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe slammed the Justice Department’s decision to drop its case against former national security adviser Michael Flynn on cha…

thehill.com

We already know Comey thought there was no issue with the conversation. Kind of tough to turn around a couple years later and say something different.
Unless Ms. Rice, and that FBI agent, are lying in their own notes.

 

[MTAtech]

We already know Comey thought there was no issue with the conversation. Kind of tough to turn around a couple years later and say something different.
Unless Ms. Rice, and that FBI agent, are lying in their own notes.

You assert that we knew something that we don't agree that we know. What we DO know is this...

Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation (Published 2017)

“I hope you can let this go,” the president told the F.B.I. director in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo James B. Comey wrote.

www.nytimes.com

We also know that...

James Comey defends FBI's interview of Michael Flynn, transcript shows | CNN Politics

Former FBI Director James Comey defended the FBI's interview of Michael Flynn that later prompted the former national security adviser's guilty plea, sparring with Republicans in closed-door House testimony Monday over the circumstances surrounding the January 2017 interview.

www.cnn.com

 

[Athanasius68]

You assert that we knew something that we don't agree that we know. What we DO know is this...

Comey Memo Says Trump Asked Him to End Flynn Investigation (Published 2017)

“I hope you can let this go,” the president told the F.B.I. director in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo James B. Comey wrote.

www.nytimes.com

We have known what Trump asked of Flynn. So what?

There is no particular reason to suppose that two separate people are both lying about what Comey was saying to Obama.

 

[Tahuyaman]

If Flynn is so innocent and misunderstood, then he should pull a George Wilson and not accept the pardon.

You don't pardon innocent people.

Innocent people wrongly convicted can be pardoned. I don't know why some people believe only guilty people can be pardoned.

 

[Atomic Kid]

Innocent people wrongly convicted can be pardoned. I don't know why some people believe only guilty people can be pardoned.

How many 'innocent' people do you know that have pleaded guilty...twice?

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Did you read the fact that BOTH McGahn and Priebus concluded that Flynn could not have forgotten the details of the discussions of sanctions and had instead been lying about what he discussed with Kislyak?

If you did, then you need to admit that Flynn lied also to the FBI investigators when he claimed that he could not recall having any such conversation with the Russian ambassador about the sanctions

ps. Because there are two volumes.

Go to the SECOND Volume on page 37

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Based on the evidence of Flynn’s contacts with Kislyak, McGahn and Priebus concluded that Flynn could not have forgotten the details of the discussions of sanctions and had instead been lying about what he discussed with Kislyak. 202 Flynn had also told White House officials that the FBI had told him that the FBI was closing out its investigation of him,203 but Eisenberg did not believe him.204 After reviewing the materials and speaking with Flynn, McGahn and Priebus concluded that Flynn should be terminated and recommended that course of action to the President.205

See also the date of some of this info. It comes from sworn testomonies by McGahn and Priebus

205 SCR015_000202 (2/15/17 Draft Memorandum to file from the Office of the Counsel to the President); Priebus 10/13/17 302, at 10; McGahn 11/30/17 302, at 12.

Clinton could not even protect herself from Comey when he announced the reopening of her investigation a couple of weeks before the election date, lol

If you scroll on to the next page, 172, these are the findings.

"In sum, the investigation established multiple links between Trump Campaign officials and individuals tied to the Russian government. Those links included Russian offers of assistance to the Campaign. In some instances, the Campaign was receptive to the offer, while in other instances the Campaign officials shied away. Ultimately, the investigation did not establish that the Campaign coordinated or conspired with the Russian government in its election-interference activities".

And while the Democrats were focussing all their attention on Trump and creating false narratives their loyal followers, who naturally weren't following the big picture, were calling the President "Orange","Fat", "Rude" etc. as though they are the major issues in governing a country.

Meanwhile, while focusing on whether Flynn talked to Kislyak, or what was said to the Ukrainian President, Leftists were looting, burning and destroying small businesses in order that Big Business could get even bigger. They completely abandoned middle America, first calling middle America 'flyover country' and then destroying the coastal cities as well.

Now they've elected (dishonestly) a mentally ill yes man who has no idea what state he's in and is surrounding himself with far leftists who will be trying to change the country forever. George Soros wins.

Here's as good a synopsis as I've seen on how the leftists have been sidetracked into destroying their country.

An Innocent Man - Yated.com

President Trump Pardons General Michael Flynn In 2014, Michael Flynn was the US Army general in charge of the Pentagon’s Defense Intelligence Agency, and widely regarded as a respected military intelligence expert. Two years later, he was named as President-elect Donald Trump’s White House...

yated.com

 

[Tahuyaman]

How many 'innocent' people do you know that have pleaded guilty...twice?

Innocent people often plead guilty to something when they know the house is stacked against them. Where have you been? In fantasy land?