Trump Pardons Michael Flynn, Who Pleaded Guilty To Lying About Russia Contact

[dixon01767]

No matter how many times and ways you slice it in thousands of posts over four years it's still baloney borscht.

Labeling something baloney isnt an argument. Try and string together a few words and make an argument if you can.

 

[dixon01767]

Yes, and so if it was Comey then that would seem to clearly indicate that he had deep concerns about the subject matter of Flynn's conversations with Kislyak. Otherwise why else would he have sent those agents to the White House to interview him?

Speaking of stuck on stupid. See my post #477 in this thread. There is not a single FBI agent who thinks Flynn didn't lie to those agents that interviewed him.

?????? Those agents who interviewed him didnt think he lied.

 

[dixon01767]

In August? No, this was just a week or so ago https://thehill.com/homenews/news/527841-carter-page-sues-over-surveillance-related-to-russia-probe

They dwell in an alternate reality created within their own mind. Such comitted opinions regarding matters they know nothing about.

 

[dixon01767]

What a weasel-y title from OP.

Flynn's "Russia contact" was a conversation recorded by normal wiretapping protocol -- and Flynn as NSA and former head of DIA would have known his call was recorded.

And confirmed this when he told the FBI he didnt recall discussing sanctions and suggested they read the transcript instead.

 

[sanman]

And confirmed this when he told the FBI he didnt recall discussing sanctions and suggested they read the transcript instead.

And yet the FBI interviewers themselves didn't feel he was lying when they interviewed him.

Clearly this is a political hatchet job -- another Dreyfuss Affair. J'Accuse!

 

[Tangmo]

Labeling something baloney isnt an argument. Try and string together a few words and make an argument if you can.

There are no serious arguments when it comes to PutinTrumpFlynn.

Flynn is of a highest priority importance to the PutinTrumpRowers because he sitteth at the right hand of Putin before Trump got to meet Putin. Flynn then sitteth at the right hand of Trump too.

For four years there are the same arguments rinsed and repeated to shreds yet they continue with supposed new patches trying to hold 'em together. The US court of appeals meanwhile voted 8-2 to reject the whole of it.

Yet here you Rowers are still doing your Big Three of Putin, Trump, Flynn. Only Trump gets more time and labor from you guys than Flynn gets while nobody else comes anywhere near close to Flynn for your relentless political favor.

 

[pamak]

We already know that Comey told Obama he saw no problem with the conversation. But then again, we know he lied to Trump so maybe he lied to Obama as well.
But-- we also know he decided to take advantage of the first couple days of the administration to work around the normal procedures for interviewing somebody in the White House.
So on balance most likely there was no merit in the interview.
As Mr. Barr determined.

Comey did not say that there was no problem with Flynn lying about his conversations with the Russian ambassador to members of the incoming administration. Mueller corroborated Comey and also explained why there was a security concern with Flynn's behavior.

And do not give us the crap about the "normal procedures" when for years you try to defend all the irregularities that Flynn and others of his ilk did based on the claim that they did nothing illegal. Comey did nothing illegal too. And yes, Comey has often deviated from protocol. This is why he took the initiative to make a public comment about the re-opening of Clinton's investigation a couple of weeks before the election which harmed her politically.

So on balance, you are hypocritical. and demonstrate again your desire to support Trump's friend at the expense of justice

As Barr did.

Thankfully Judge Sullivan determined that there was not sufficent justification to let Flynn off the hook!

 

[pamak]

We do know this with respect to Obama-- from Ms. Rice and the notes from the other FBI agent.
Unless those two folks were lying.

We do know that Comey said Trump not under investigation.
But we know Trump and Flynn were questioned under the guise of an intelligence briefing.

Obama warned Trump about Flynn because Obama knew that Flynn had been under investigation. Obama also knew he couldn't tell Trump because then Trump and Flynn would find out they, and the campaign in general, had been under investigation.

Since when is Flynn or any other investigated subject entittled to be informed about any FBI investigation? The standard practice is to not leak such info!

And it made no sense to tell Trump anything about Flynn's lie before actually making SURE that Flynn lied to Pence and that it was not a case of Pence lying to the press about what Flynn actually told him! The most logical thing was to FIRST talk to Flynn and THEN submit a report with all the relevant facts! And we KNOW from the FBI memos that they were planning to report all these facts and let their bosses make their decision regarding Flynn's fate!
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[Fred C Dobbs II]

Why should anyone listed to John Solomon?

Leftists are truly remarkable! You're not listening to John Solomon, if you even know who he is, an intelligent poster was intended to read the words of Peter Strzok and the dates he said them. It is a quote.

Let's try again. Do you believe the words or the date he said them are untrue?

"For any American who wants an answer sooner, there are just five words, among the thousands of suggestive texts Page and Strzok exchanged, that you should read.

That passage was transmitted on May 19, 2017. “There’s no big there there,” Strzok texted".

 

[Jezcoe]

Leftists are truly remarkable! You're not listening to John Solomon, if you even know who he is, an intelligent poster was intended to read the words of Peter Strzok and the dates he said them. It is a quote.

Let's try again. Do you believe the words or the date he said them are untrue?

"For any American who wants an answer sooner, there are just five words, among the thousands of suggestive texts Page and Strzok exchanged, that you should read.

That passage was transmitted on May 19, 2017. “There’s no big there there,” Strzok texted".

John Solomon launders Russian disinfo from Firtash via DiGenova and Toensing.
That is why no one should listen to him.

 

[iguanaman]

?????? Those agents who interviewed him didnt think he lied.

Flynn knew he lied and so did the one term mistake when he fired him for lying to Pence.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

John Solomon launders Russian disinfo from Firtash via DiGenova and Toensing.
That is why no one should listen to him.

So you are denying Strzok said those words or the date he's alleged to have said them?

I may ask for your opinion of John Solomon later but, as of now, let's concentrate on what Strzok said.

 

[iguanaman]

So you are denying Strzok said those words or the date he's alleged to have said them?

I may ask for your opinion of John Solomon later but, as of now, let's concentrate on what Strzok said.

He appears to contradict what Flynn himself said and who would know better? Either way Flynn is clearly a liar right? He certainly lied about being a Turkish lobbyist also.

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2017/12/every-shady-thing-michael-flynn-has-been-accused-of.html

 

[MauiMan]

What happened to General Flynn and his family, as well as to Roger Stone, should never happen to any American. He should sue them for millions, both to clear his name and the harm they have suffered from an out of control FBI.

I agree!!! Why have laws that people might break? The good General was just fibbing to federal police. That’s ok. We should all be able to do whatever the **** we want!

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

He appears to contradict what Flynn himself said and who would know better? Either way Flynn is clearly a liar right?

Perhaps you don;t quite understand what Strzok said either. On May 19, 2017 he texted that “There’s no big there there,”

Do you understand the significance of that statement and how it relates to Flynn and the Russian hoax?

 

[Jezcoe]

So you are denying Strzok said those words or the date he's alleged to have said them?

I may ask for your opinion of John Solomon later but, as of now, let's concentrate on what Strzok said.

Solomon has his own spin on things.

That spin is in service to Solomon making money and not the truth.

People shouldn’t listen to Solomon.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Solomon has his own spin on things.

That spin is in service to Solomon making money and not the truth.

People shouldn’t listen to Solomon.

Or, in your very little book Peter Strzok either, right?

 

[pamak]

Leftists are truly remarkable! You're not listening to John Solomon, if you even know who he is, an intelligent poster was intended to read the words of Peter Strzok and the dates he said them. It is a quote.

Let's try again. Do you believe the words or the date he said them are untrue?

"For any American who wants an answer sooner, there are just five words, among the thousands of suggestive texts Page and Strzok exchanged, that you should read.

That passage was transmitted on May 19, 2017. “There’s no big there there,” Strzok texted".

Actually, even the dates are questionable

Judge orders Justice Department to verify its filings in Flynn case

The order is a signal of intense distrust between the judge, Emmet Sullivan, and the department, whose filings are typically accepted at face value.

www.politico.com

The order is a signal of intense distrust between the judge, Emmet Sullivan, and the department, whose filings are typically accepted at face value. In this case, DOJ has already acknowledged that two documents it previously filed — handwritten notes taken by former FBI counterintelligence agent Peter Strzok and former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe — were altered "inadvertently" to include inaccurate dates.

Do not your sources publish such info?

Anyway, the fact that Flynn lied was not even questioned by Barr! His argument was not that Flynn did not lie but that his lie was not "material" which dod not make sense when the lie (as Mueller explained) created a potential compromising situation for Flynn and the FBI investigation was about the Russian attempts to gain accesss to the Trump campaign!

 

[iguanaman]

Perhaps you don;t quite understand what Strzok said either. On May 19, 2017 he texted that “There’s no big there there,”

Do you understand the significance of that statement and how it relates to Flynn and the Russian hoax?

Do you understand the significance of the POTUS firing him for lying and then Flynn pleading guilty to lying twice? Did you read the Senate report on Russian interference? It was far from a "hoax". It very likely was the reason the one term mistake won in 2016. Why do you think he was so sensitive about any mention of it? Because both Putin and him knew that he won because of the Russian help. I suspect you are the same.

 

[Jezcoe]

Or, in your very little book Peter Strzok either, right?

I really couldn’t care much about Strzok or his comments at that point in time.

From what he have learned in the years since is that there was quite a bit there there and in the coming years it is likely we are going to learn about even more there being there.

Crazy how the President is just absolutely surrounded by a ton of criminals.

Bonkers even.

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Actually, even the dates are questionable

How about the Wall Street Journal?


A top FBI agent last spring expressed skepticism about the burgeoning investigation into Trump associates’ ties to Russian electoral meddling, according to a newly released text message, a few months before his texts critical of the president cost him his role in the special counsel’s probe.

The agent, Peter Strzok, sent a message to a colleague suggesting he was hesitant to join Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s recently formed team because “my gut sense and concern is there’s no big there there.”

Mr. Strzok sent the text just before 9 p.m. on May 18, the day after Mr. Mueller was tapped to be special counsel. Mr. Strzok supervised the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state and was to become the lead agent on Mr. Mueller’s team.

 

[Jezcoe]

How about the Wall Street Journal?


A top FBI agent last spring expressed skepticism about the burgeoning investigation into Trump associates’ ties to Russian electoral meddling, according to a newly released text message, a few months before his texts critical of the president cost him his role in the special counsel’s probe.

The agent, Peter Strzok, sent a message to a colleague suggesting he was hesitant to join Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s recently formed team because “my gut sense and concern is there’s no big there there.”

Mr. Strzok sent the text just before 9 p.m. on May 18, the day after Mr. Mueller was tapped to be special counsel. Mr. Strzok supervised the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state and was to become the lead agent on Mr. Mueller’s team.

Turns out that he was wrong.

There was quite a bit of there there.

 

[pamak]

How about the Wall Street Journal?


A top FBI agent last spring expressed skepticism about the burgeoning investigation into Trump associates’ ties to Russian electoral meddling, according to a newly released text message, a few months before his texts critical of the president cost him his role in the special counsel’s probe.

The agent, Peter Strzok, sent a message to a colleague suggesting he was hesitant to join Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s recently formed team because “my gut sense and concern is there’s no big there there.”

Mr. Strzok sent the text just before 9 p.m. on May 18, the day after Mr. Mueller was tapped to be special counsel. Mr. Strzok supervised the investigation into Hillary Clinton’s use of a private email server while she was secretary of state and was to become the lead agent on Mr. Mueller’s team.

I already explained it

Yes, in the beginning one FBI expressed scepticism, but as more evidence was gathered it became clear that Flynn lied and even top senior Trump advisers agreed that Flynn could not have forgotten the content of the conversation he had with the Russian ambassador.

https://www.justice.gov/storage/report.pdf

Page 171

According to McFarland, Flynn mentioned that the Russian response to the sanctions was not going to be
escalatory because they wanted a good relationship with the incoming Administration.
Based on the evidence of Flynn’s contacts with Kislyak, McGahn and Priebus concluded that Flynn could not have forgotten the details of the discussions of sanctions and had instead been lying about what he discussed with Kislyak
...

After reviewing the materials and speaking with Flynn, McGahn and Priebus concluded that Flynn should be terminated and recommended that course of
action to the President.

McGahn and Priebus were Trump's top aids.

In short, Barr used smoke and mirrors to confuse you by selecting views from agents at convenient dates when they had not a full grasp of all the relevant facts!

 

[Fred C Dobbs II]

Turns out that he was wrong.

There was quite a bit of there there.

Yes, the FBI hierarchy was certainly wrong, which is why they were fired, dismissed or took early retirement. Seems like you and other leftists still believe in the Russia hoax. They certainly did a number on you.

 

[Jezcoe]

Yes, the FBI hierarchy was certainly wrong, which is why they were fired, dismissed or took early retirement. Seems like you and other leftists still believe in the Russia hoax. They certainly did a number on you.

Read the reports.

It isn’t a hoax. It actually happened.

Now if you don’t care that it happened, that is a separate issue.... but it all happened.