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Trump open to invoking the Insurrection Act

ModernDiogenes said:
So, do we shun them like a misbehaving child and give them a “time out”, ostracizing the anti-social acting out child throwing the tantrum by placing them in the corner metaphysically?

What do we do one when a third of us has lost the ability to DISCERN right from wrong?
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It's not about discerning right from wrong. This is about how different elements of the American population view their national identity and how the social, economic, and political frameworks should be ordered. It's among the most potent forces influencing the behavior of our species.
 
Along Came Jones said:
I fail to understand why people put such emphasis on that. More people voted against Harris than for her. There were 20 presidential candidates in the election. Trump received both more popular and more electoral votes than the others.
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That dosen't mean they currently support his policies.
 
multivita-man said:
It's not about discerning right from wrong. This is about how different elements of the American population view their national identity and how the social, economic, and political frameworks should be ordered. It's among the most potent forces influencing the behavior of our species.
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So dissolving this Constitutional Republic, the world’s greatest experiment in freedom, and replacing it with an authoritarian state with an all powerful executive who can order our military onto our streets to act against our citizens, violate our Emoluments Clause to steal money by selling billions of dollars in fake money (Trump crypto) and real estate deals from the Oval Office, and other unethical acts isn’t anti-social behavior in your book?

The not mere acceptance but support of such unethical acts isn’t also anti-social behavior.
 
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ModernDiogenes said:
So dissolving this Constitutional Republic, the world’s greatest experiment in freedom,
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Let's not overdo it. The world's greatest experiment in freedom was simultaneously conquering indigenous people by force and engaging in race-based slavery. I understand those were different times and different values, but the truth is, the systems of human exploitation for the purposes of creating unequal wealth survives to this day in one form or another, and they're much to blame for the predicament we find ourselves in now.

I think part of the reason why there isn't nearly as much pushback against MAGA's hostile takeover bid is because many Americans are already familiarized with authoritarian structures. Take the companies we work for, buy from, and invest in. These are authoritarian governance structures that are very familiar to us. I think when a lot of people look at Trump/MAGA today, they don't see an American Adolf but rather a CEO who's cleaning up his ship.

Speaking of which, the military is another governance structure that's familiar to us, even to those of us who've never served. We understand that the military isn't a democracy or a social experiment. We accept it. In both cases, we regard the success of these institutions - the corporation and the military - as necessarily undemocratic.

To many, Trump is just behaving like a successful CEO or general, which is why they're not necessarily as alarmed as we are by what we're all witnessing. When this nightmare finally ends, assuming we're still a nation intact, we're going to need a rethink of our values and the blind faith and trust we put in various social, economic, and political institutions.
 
bongsaway said:
Trump wouldn't lead it, the people fed up with him will.
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No, that's not going to happen. We are not like them. The guardrails have been tested. Trump has found the weak spots where he can barge ahead unrestrained. But there are still some guardrails he has not broken through. It was reassuring to see the icy cold reception he got when addressing the military leadership. They have sworn no oath to him and he knows it. They work for us. We, The People. They are protecting the Constitution. They may be required to take orders from him but the looks on their faces said a lot. What those looks told me was that they will not follow illegal orders.

Any extreme violent leftist, what few of them there are, who wants to attack the US government with force will not get very far. That will be put down if anyone dares to try it. 'The people' are not going to do that. If anyone tries it they are going to be very few and it will fail.
 
multivita-man said:
The difference in 2025 is that it's the president and the federal government seeking a riot to suppress, rather than actually responding to an actual riot or insurrection in the first place.
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He might have to send in more influencers to stIrr things up.
 
trixare4kids said:
You don't know what you're talking about. Tell us again how you are for protecting all LE when you're picking and choosing who needs protection. If Trump invokes the Insurrection Act, federal ICE officers will then be protected by the National Guard when needed. They will be protected from the violent protestors who are trying to stop them from carrying out their federal duties across the U.S. I remember when you condemned Trump for not having the NG at 1/6 soon enough, and now you're against the NG helping these federal ICE agents.

Make up your minds, you can't have it only your way.
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The hilarious thing, of course, is that by turning themselves into Trump’s personal Gestapo wannabes, ICE has ensured that the next Democratic president is going to disband them. There simply won’t be a choice.

They’ll have to go get jobs at Blackwater or something.

So sad. 🙄
 
ModernDiogenes said:
So dissolving this Constitutional Republic, the world’s greatest experiment in freedom, and replacing it with an authoritarian state with an all powerful executive who can order our military onto our streets to act against our citizens, violate our Emoluments Clause to steal money by selling billions of dollars in fake money (Trump crypto) and real estate deals from the Oval Office, and other unethical acts isn’t anti-social behavior in your book?

The not mere acceptance but support of such unethical acts isn’t also anti-social behavior.
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The U.S. has never, ever been “the world’s greatest experiment in freedom”.

Never even came close to living up to that fantasy, in fact.
 
Tender Branson said:
I think it is absolutely great that Trump is sending in troops to leftist cities.

These cities have been infested with illegal immigrants over the past decades and have become a breeding ground for leftist domestic terrorism and anti-Americanism. Actual Americans have been replaced there by means of demographic invasion from abroad.

Trump is cutting HEAVILY into the leftist anti-American pork and flesh there right now, he's stirring up the hornets nests !

These leftist Antifa people (who should be at work, not protesting !) are being shown their place, while their shielded illegal immigrant "friends" are being deported one by one.

Real Americans wanted this for years. They were sick and tired of cities being turned into lawless crime-ridden illegal-infested places.

Trump should send in millions of ICE agents and troops in the next years, so that all illegals and left terror cells are smoked out.
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This post was predictable….
 
ModernDiogenes said:
So, do we shun them like a misbehaving child and give them a “time out”, ostracizing the anti-social acting out child throwing the tantrum by placing them in the corner metaphysically?

What do we do one when a third of us has lost the ability to DISCERN right from wrong?
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I don’t have an answer.

🤷‍♀️

But look around - does it seem as though these individuals are actually capable of reason and thought and understanding?

If you were to ask me - many of them need to shut off the Fox and related propaganda that seems to pollute their minds and ability to think - and go outside and touch grass.

But 🤷‍♀️ they won’t.

So here we are.
 
j brown's body said:
You think trying to overturn a free and fair election and stealing state secrets is legal? :D
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I think the elecction fraudulent and protresting that in a peaceful manner was OK. That a few rabble rousers broke in is not good but it is laughablu mornic to call it an insuirrection. It is pablum for idiots.
 
Pyrite said:
Pyrite said:
No lie. Trump instigated and prolonged the violence his mob perpetrated on Jan 6.
No lie. Trump's violent thugs attacked law enforcement officials and wounded at least 140 of them on Jan 6.
No lie. Trump fomented and prolonged this domestic terrorism, because he wanted to overturn the results of the election and thus to overthrow our system of government.
No lie. Your response, that Americans should "get over it" (Post #132), is an embrace of authoritarianism, of fascism.


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And here we have a poster who not only makes light of the attacks on the police, he also insinuates their injuries - 140 were wounded - may be somewhat trivial.

So, ladies and gentlemen, the fact that trump's violent thugs, during his terroristic attack on the USA, injured at least 140 law enforcement personnel is something that has to be brushed aside.

This is really, really low.
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Did you know that they get early retirement and workers comp for those spurious claims.Other than a very few, I saw nothing that would make more thab 5 cops need any hospital visit.

Trump said to march peacefully

We now know and jave proof that Trump ws refused his request for the National Guard.

We also know 150 agents were there and the FBI hated Trump
 
Ikari said:
This is absolutely the goal. Trump wants his martial law.
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No doubt. That way he can take over the country and install a theocracy. The only thing that can save us from certain doom are leftwingers.
 
Hamish Howl said:
Um, nope. That was a lie you were happy to accept at face value. Those were regular families living there.
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Gee! another surprise of surprises. "Regular" familes were there along with Tren gang members so they shoulds asked trhe Tren gangs pretty please, come out.
 
Lord of Planar said:
So what are we to do about domestic terrorism?
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Tell us where it's happening and I'm sure the relevant agencies will be dealing deal with it tout suite. So, where is this alleged terrorism occurring-maybe the same place as the pizza parlour basement child sex-trafficking ring that MAGAs were wetting their pants about?
 
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