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Trump Not Above ***** Grabbing, He Is Above the Law

CletusWilbury said:
Incompetence, ok.
Some are things done by the administration, which were plausibly could be explained as following the law.

I thought it was the Iranian's money which we had no right to keep.
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The 150 billion was returned via normal and usual means.

The 1.5 billion delivered in cash on pallets as a a ransom to release the hostages was not.
 
hanger4 said:
There was destruction of evidence (hard drives) so you could like the results.
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Never miss a chance to change the subject to Obama. The question is, should any President be above the law, even our cult leader?
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Above the law? You mean like the Obama IRS going after conservative groups for years?
Trying to stifle their 1st amendment right? And when caught doing that the people involved mysteriously found the hard drives to their computer were damaged so the data could not be retrieved. That kind of above the law?
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Nothing like that. That's fake news/conspiracy theory nonsense just like most of the right wing messaging.

Republican senators conducted the investigation and despite right wing media lies, they found no evidence to connecting the IRS actions to the White House. Because there weren't any. Further, the cosntant lies from right wing media promoted yet ANOTHER full investigation (sound familiar Benghazi, etc.?) yet another report by inspector general found that:
n late September 2017, an exhaustive report by the Treasury Department's inspector general found that from 2004 to 2013, the IRS used both conservative and liberal keywords to choose targets for further scrutiny, blunting claims that the issue had been an Obama-era partisan scandal.[SUP][2][/SUP][SUP][3][/SUP] The 115 page report confirmed the findings of the prior 2013 report that some conservative organizations had been unfairly targeted, but also found that the pattern of misconduct had been ongoing since 2004 and was non-partisan in nature.
You've been fed lies for so long you believe anything they tell you.
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When you allow them to feed you lies and you act on it, they can do literally anything they want. That is not good.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IRS_targeting_controversy
 
Common Sense 1 said:
Who was held accountable? Oh that is right.... No one! Above the law!
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Some groups that were doing political work were also claiming tax exempt status. That is against the law.

There was no political motivation, and when Republicans whined about it, it was stopped.

You have this basically backwards.
 
apdst said:
You defended that quick. Was Obama above the law? What about Holder?

Ok, here's the part where Obama knew about Clinton's unsecured server...
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Of course Obama knew about it, anyone can see it's not a .gov email. it wasn't illegal. Or, at least Obama didn't think it was.
 
late said:
Some groups that were doing political work were also claiming tax exempt status. That is against the law.

There was no political motivation, and when Republicans whined about it, it was stopped.

You have this basically backwards.
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No you are absolutely wrong. Go back and read again what happened. There was political motivation!
 
CletusWilbury said:
Of course Obama knew about it, anyone can see it's not a .gov email. it wasn't illegal. Or, at least Obama didn't think it was.
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Obama knew damn well it was illegal and didn't want to get caught knowing about it. Why do you think he used a fake name when he sent emails to it?

But, Obama was above the law. It was difereeeeeent when he did it. Right?
 
GDViking said:
Where are the indictments? There are none, so the term is alleged...
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But, you are certain that President Trump broke the law.

You dreamed that up while you were believing that aircraft could fly through an artillery barrage. :lamo
 
GDViking said:
Are we done talking about Obama and Clinton conspiracy theories now so we can get back to our president claiming heis a king that is above the law?
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Pointing out the double standards is very much a part of the conversation.
 
apdst said:
Obama knew damn well it was illegal and didn't want to get caught knowing about it. Why do you think he used a fake name when he sent emails to it?

But, Obama was above the law. It was difereeeeeent when he did it. Right?
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I hadn't read the article previously. Valid comparison. There are always some differences.
 
JackA said:
Never miss a chance to change the subject to Obama. The question is, should any President be above the law, even our cult leader?
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I know it's difficult keeping up with an ever evolving conversation, but I have no doubt you can handle it.

Unfortunately pointing out double standards is part of the conversation.
 
subpoena his ass. full interview, no conditions. if the judge finds that he's above the law, then the Republic is lost.
 
late said:
Your sources are crap.
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You are so misinformed!!! Accidentally or on purpose?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2015/03/02/updated-timeline-of-irs-tax-exempt-organization-scandal/#1103020a6a6b

May 10, 2013. During an American Bar Association meeting, Lerner admits that organizations were targeted because of their titles or beliefs, calling it "absolutely incorrect, insensitive, and inappropriate." Celia Roady, a Washington tax lawyer, later advised the press that Lerner arranged in advance for her to ask the question. (Lerner did not confirm this information since she did not testify.)

May 22, 2013. Lerner refuses to testify in front of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, pleading the Fifth Amendment.

June 24, 2013. The IRS issues its report into the scandal together with an action plan. At the same time, the IRS admitted fault, saying that "inappropriate criteria" was used for review of organizations applying for tax-exempt status.

June 15, 2016. The House Oversight Committee votes to censure IRS Commissioner John Koskinen.
 
apdst said:
But, you are certain that President Trump broke the law.

You dreamed that up while you were believing that aircraft could fly through an artillery barrage. :lamo
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We are certain people around him did.
We are certain he lied about having knowledge of crimes.

We are certain he would rather go to court than answer questions from Mueller.
We are curtain that he is claiming he can't break the law because he is the law.

We are curtain that he is spending millions on a legal defense team.

We are certain that he has had Russian mafia contact since 1979.

We are certain that all these actions make him appear more than guilty.
 
CletusWilbury said:
I hadn't read the article previously. Valid comparison. There are always some differences.
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Of course there are. You people will never hold Obama to the same rediculous and unrealistic standard that you apply to President Trump. All the while, you all are scratching your heads and trying to figure out how the Republicans were handed the keys to the car by the people. I hope y'all never figure it out. That's the best thing that could happen to the country.
 
hanger4 said:
I know it's difficult keeping up with an ever evolving conversation, but I have no doubt you can handle it.

Unfortunately pointing out double standards is part of the conversation.
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If trying to change the subject doesn't work, try rudeness - it works for Trump.
 
apdst said:
But, you are certain that President Trump broke the law.

You dreamed that up while you were believing that aircraft could fly through an artillery barrage. :lamo
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Please point out where I ever said a word about aircraft.
 
apdst said:
Of course there are. You people will never hold Obama to the same rediculous and unrealistic standard that you apply to President Trump. All the while, you all are scratching your heads and trying to figure out how the Republicans were handed the keys to the car by the people. I hope y'all never figure it out. That's the best thing that could happen to the country.
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If Trump would declare executive privilege, like Obama did in that case, that would be a start.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
You are so misinformed!!! Accidentally or on purpose?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2015/03/02/updated-timeline-of-irs-tax-exempt-organization-scandal/#1103020a6a6b

May 10, 2013. During an American Bar Association meeting, Lerner admits that organizations were targeted because of their titles or beliefs, calling it "absolutely incorrect, insensitive, and inappropriate." Celia Roady, a Washington tax lawyer, later advised the press that Lerner arranged in advance for her to ask the question. (Lerner did not confirm this information since she did not testify.)

May 22, 2013. Lerner refuses to testify in front of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, pleading the Fifth Amendment.

June 24, 2013. The IRS issues its report into the scandal together with an action plan. At the same time, the IRS admitted fault, saying that "inappropriate criteria" was used for review of organizations applying for tax-exempt status.

June 15, 2016. The House Oversight Committee votes to censure IRS Commissioner John Koskinen.
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And it was proven that it was do done for both liberals and conservatives alike.
As it should have been as both sides were abusing nonprofit status.
 
Common Sense 1 said:
You are so misinformed!!! Accidentally or on purpose?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphillipserb/2015/03/02/updated-timeline-of-irs-tax-exempt-organization-scandal/#1103020a6a6b

May 10, 2013. During an American Bar Association meeting, Lerner admits that organizations were targeted because of their titles or beliefs, calling it "absolutely incorrect, insensitive, and inappropriate." Celia Roady, a Washington tax lawyer, later advised the press that Lerner arranged in advance for her to ask the question. (Lerner did not confirm this information since she did not testify.)

May 22, 2013. Lerner refuses to testify in front of the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform, pleading the Fifth Amendment.

June 24, 2013. The IRS issues its report into the scandal together with an action plan. At the same time, the IRS admitted fault, saying that "inappropriate criteria" was used for review of organizations applying for tax-exempt status.

June 15, 2016. The House Oversight Committee votes to censure IRS Commissioner John Koskinen.
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And it was proven that it was do done for both liberals and conservatives alike.
As it should have been as both sides were abusing nonprofit status.
 
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