Trump moving forward to divert $3.6B from military projects for border wall

[braindrain]

Yes, the Supreme Court said that, but Congress can change the law.

The observations I made in my post are intuitively obvious. Why don’t you respond to them, hmm? Guess you can’t, so you call it garbage, rant, etc. Let’s hear you address what you know to be true, but can’t allow yourself to accept.

The observations made in your party are nothing that silly rantings of someone suffering from serve TDS. Pretending Trump is acting like some kind of tyrant when he is acting fully within his powers as president is just pathetic.

Congress possibly changing the law sometime in the future does not make anything Trump is doing with the wall now unconstitutional.

 

[RealityNow]

MTAtech - Post # 39

RESPONSE

Once we get Republicans out, and people in every state should be gearing up to "remove republicans from the senate"... its not any longer a game of playing "party devotion to people who cause extensive damage which "will" continue to impact "ALL" American with no regard for party affiliation.

It's time people get over the delusion of the word "Conservative" .. its a sham... It only means they spend on only what they want!! not what is good for America as a whole.

They have been giving BIG dollars to Military Contractors for Decades... Funding Goon Squads that are deployed to Foreign Countries to protect "Oil" interest. Yes, we currently need Oil, but we can get that by "agreements", not paying to start conflicts and engage in playing policy shift games that continue to arm one side against the other, and then switch up when they think the other side will give a better deal if they get in power.

We talk about "Fair Trade" but we ARE NOT a Fair Broker.... it cost American lives when these conflicts are enhanced and elevated. We not long push for Peace in the Middle East... we only prop up one side against the other, and continue to do what we've done... which is find means to at the same time Arm the other side.

People should go back to the 1980's and learn what Reagan Did, during the Iran and Iraq War... We claimed to back Iraq (Saddam) while at the same time... doing to drug saturation of America, to use the money to pay Iran to generate weapons and send some of those weapons to Central America during the Contras and Sandinista.... it caused massive problems "globally, and escalated 'weapons sales on a global scale" and for America.. it suffered the worst Cocaine Epidermic that has touched 'EVERY" family in America.... from the promotion of excessive drugs that became used to make Crack, and that moved on to Crank, and the cycles has continued to be connected to the Opioid Epidemic... The Drug Circle has damaged Americans, and the Weapon Sales Freeways extended around the gobble. "That's how we call leadership" and that leadership has cost the lives of millions around the world and 10's of thousands of American killed and wounded. All the while "each Republican Administration" resulted to "give a tax break to the wealthy".... and the level and expanse of the wealth gap in America is devastating to "All Americans".

People don't tie the dots, this translates all the way down to why we pay high prices for a simple McDonalds Hamburger, because the game of wealth chasing cause the cost of everything to increase dramatically.
The Average young American Family cannot afford a home... that becomes profitable to the Land Barrons who amass 1000's and 10's of thousands of Rental units... we see the rise of things like Airnb... where wealthy people and wealthy corporations picked up the homes people lost during the 2007-2009 housing crash...
All these things are real!!! Drive Around... and take close note of the declining communities, people who once maintained homes, not have overgrown shrubber, junk piled up and homes that no longer are painted when needed, and roofing in deteriorate conditions. We see it, but pretend we don't... and then blow it off when we do acknowledge it.
The 1980's also brought us "Busted Unions", and once they were busted there was nothing left to stand against "Outsourcing", and Nothing Left to stop the destruction of Union Job Pension Programs, and then came the "strip away of Job Benefits". Young people today, "get nothing" when it comes to Job Assisted Benefits.
People who retired 10-15 yrs ago.. are forced back to work, because what they thought was secure retirement, was stripped away, during the damages caused by the 2006-2007 downward spiral into the Economic Crash.

Trump has done nothing to address any of that. He came in with the wealthy man scheme, of "give the wealth another massive tax break"... deluding people of a Trickle down game. Who wants a Trickle of anything!!! Our system should be working toward a balanced flow" that helps ALL American people.

People - give attention to "truth's"... the drama spins have done nothing but distract people while they are being fleeced!!!! the animus within society at this time divides people, yet... the people as a whole, still need the same things they always needed.... Food, Water, Shelter, Medical Care and Employment.

 

[RealityNow]

Every Republican Actions done to try and damage and push back black Americans, only serves to increase the volume of poor white masses. It's time people face up to the 'Real Truth".... We all move upwards together OR ... we turn society over completely to the wealthy, and minorities and poor whites become exactly what the Confederacy did to them 150+ yrs ago... is create a slave wage labor pool, of both working poor blacks and working poor whites...
Currently " Minimum Wage" = what it cost to house and feed a slave, which was no more than what was paid to poor whites, which provided no more than the level of substandard housing and low quality substandard food... No Medical Care and No Means to Save and NO Means to uplift their offsprings.

People know it buy have not truly embraced that truth.... Poverty Breed Crime, Poverty Breeds Dysfunctional Families, Poverty Increase Conditions that Contribute to the varying forms of Mental Illness, some call it Depression Syndrome to the extent of every type of ailment that can befall the disadvantaged.

One only has to look at simplicity... "why are there so many medical issues within the ranks of the poor? why is there more mental illness in the ranks of the poor.... These things Tell A Truth.... that Poverty is Damaging to America, and PEOPLE are the Greatest Security of this nation and Poverty Among people in the Greatest Security Risk This Nations Faces. We have today a mass 'under educated society"... people can barely get their kids through school, and the wealthy system has drained money from public schools, to ensure that those with means to go to private schools will leave the rest behind.

At one time in America we had THE WORLDS BEST PUBLIC SCHOOLS... but when funding is stripped year after years, decade upon decade... and poverty is increased ... it impacts the children and their ability to have the comfort of mindset to learn... They see and they hear the malice everyday, and it becomes what they model... and yet we won't accept the blame for allowing that to expand and grow across this nation.

People need to get off of the "It's all about Me"... and think in National Terms, without Racial Indifference, if we don't we continue to destroy ourselves from within.

Republican Ideology simply DOES NOT WORK IN AMERICA.. NOT IN THIS 21ST CENTURY...

 

[cabse5]

was your response, oh, this is great!

Obama did an end run around congress to establish the dreamers, those illegal children of illegal parents and it wasn't that long ago. Maybe there is a need for the executive to do an end run around congress when it comes to immigration because congress won't act? Maybe congress should act to protect the US concerning immigration? Maybe a few congresscritters should be shown the door this next election?

 

[MauiMan]

WRONG



San Francisco will allow noncitizens to vote in a local election, creating a new immigration flashpoint - Los Angeles Times

You are wrong. Quit listening to the liar.

 

[cabse5]

There are two groups stopping any progress on federal immigration (legal or not) policy reform: 1) those who see more immigration (legal or not) as a means to accelerate favorable demographic changes and 2) those who see more immigration (legal or not) as helping to keep US wage/benefit costs as low as possible for "job creators".

Meanwhile, by doing nothing at all to change our federal immigration policy, congress critters are enjoying a re-election rate of over 90% - they would have to be insane to give up that level of political success by changing what is clearly working to them in power.

The US electorate was finally fed up and voted in Trump. Maybe the electorate will finally be fed up and vote out those congresscritters more interested in changing demographics or creating a lower wage for the benefit of employers. I doubt the electorate sees those two issues as more important than border security.

 

[MauiMan]

My wife thinks that way too, she thinks everything is on the up & up.
Just look at the numbers from 1980 to 2016 I presented if that's not convincing evidence I don't know what is!
Furthermore:

In 2014, a disturbing study was released by political scientists at Old Dominion University. Their work showed that a
significant percentage of foreign nationals residing in the United States, whether lawfully or unlawfully present, were
registered to vote in US elections—and that a significant number of them actually have voted in recent years—6.4 percent
in 2008 and 2.2 percent in 2010. That is enough to have swayed election outcomes in some states: “there is reason to
believe non-citizen voting changed one state’s Electoral College votes in 2008, delivering North Carolina to Obama, and
that non-citizen votes have also led to Democratic victories in congressional races including a critical 2008 Sen- ate race
[in Minnesota] that delivered for Democrats a 60-vote filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.” It is, of course, illegal for
noncitizens to vote in federal and state elections. But this study suggests that hundreds of thousands of illegal votes may
have been cast in the United States in every federal election.
Leading Fight to Stop Illegal Immigration | Federation for American Immigration Reform › issue › societal-impact › noncitizens-voting-violati...

If you are right, then let’s fix it. No one who is not a US citizen should be voting. It is illegal.

 

[Stealers Wheel]

Good so that’s $3.6 billion that the military doesn’t need for their budget next year. All the money trump is spending on the wall, that he diverted from other funds, is excess from whatever budget he pulled it from so they obviously don’t need it next year.

Actually, Congress is now being pressured to "back fill" those military projects. Link

A senior defense official told reporters the Pentagon is having conversations with members of Congress to urge them to restore the funding. The official agreed that the department has “a lot of work ahead of us,” considering that Congress has given no guarantee it will provide money for the defunded projects. The official was not authorized to discuss the details publicly so spoke on condition of anonymity.

Lawmakers who refused earlier this year to approve nearly $6 billion for the wall must now decide if they will restore the projects that are being used to provide the money.

“To pay for his xenophobic border wall boondoggle, President Trump is about to weaken our national security by stealing billions of dollars from our military,” said Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, D-Fla., who chairs a key military construction panel. “The House of Representatives will not backfill any projects he steals from today.”

So this how we're going to play this? Congress allocates money for one thing, and Trump uses it for whatever he wants? Yeah, that's what the Founding Fathers had in mind, I'm sure.

 

[cabse5]

Refugees can’t vote.

SIAP. Yes they can.House votes to support illegal immigrant voting in local elections - Washington Times

 

[ttwtt78640]

The US electorate was finally fed up and voted in Trump. Maybe the electorate will finally be fed up and vote out those congresscritters more interested in changing demographics or creating a lower wage for the benefit of employers. I doubt the electorate sees those two issues as more important than border security.

I doubt that most of the electorate sees much beyond the "D" or "R" next to some name on the ballot and votes based on that. I bet that most of the electorate couldn't even name their two US Senators and single US House district representative.

 

[MauiMan]

Oh yes he is my hero. A person I never voted for and have claimed many times on this forum that he is a joke and the sooner he is gone the better.

The problem you are suffering from is server TDS and simply so out of touch with reality that the fact that other people are not suffering from TDS is incomprehensible to you.

TDS is a joke. It’s for use by people, like you, who are not able to understand criticism of Donald, which is very real and very clear.

Ironically, it is people who use a make believe term, like you, who are incapable of accurately perceiving the world.

 

[cabse5]

Trump blew it in 2017 when he had a deal with Dems for a lot more money and he nixed it because Dems wanted DACA as part of the deal. That is not winning.

When did democrats agree to the Trump deal in exchange for DACA? I think the Trump deal wanted to extend DACA through 2020 and the dems wanted the WH to provide a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 million eligible immigrants under the DACA program...and the border wall funding in question was 25 billion.House votes to support illegal immigrant voting in local elections - Washington Times

 

[cabse5]

I doubt that most of the electorate sees much beyond the "D" or "R" next to some name on the ballot and votes based on that. I bet that most of the electorate couldn't even name their two US Senators and single US House district representative.

Drastic times call for drastic measures. Don't want to rile the electorate...You get Trump.

 

[MauiMan]

The observations made in your party are nothing that silly rantings of someone suffering from serve TDS. Pretending Trump is acting like some kind of tyrant when he is acting fully within his powers as president is just pathetic.

Congress possibly changing the law sometime in the future does not make anything Trump is doing with the wall now unconstitutional.

You are obsessed with “TDS”. You can say TDS over and over again, but it doesn’t address anything. It’s just a pejorative reframing of the discussion, and means nothing.

Again, why don’t you respond to my observations? I guess you can’t? Too bad, because we all want to hear it. Let’s hear you address what you know to be true, but can’t allow yourself to accept - Trump is a bonehead. He certainly fits the definition of the word. And that, my friend, is a reality that we all know, including you.

 

[cabse5]

Actually, Congress is now being pressured to "back fill" those military projects. Link





So this how we're going to play this? Congress allocates money for one thing, and Trump uses it for whatever he wants? Yeah, that's what the Founding Fathers had in mind, I'm sure.

That sounds like the tax scam dems employ.

For example, campaign on one tax (say infrastructure) and when the tax comes for infrastructure use the tax for something else like, for example, bicycle lanes on roads...and then continue to complain about infrastructure not being upgraded. And the cycle repeats itself.

 

[MauiMan]

SIAP. Yes they can.House votes to support illegal immigrant voting in local elections - Washington Times

To quote your article: "Illegal immigrants — and indeed noncitizens as a whole — are not legally able to participate in federal elections."

So, to be clear, I’m not talking about the local school board. You must be a citizen of the United States in order to vote. If you are not a citizen, it is a felony. Read this:

Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 - Wikipedia

 

[SMTA]

Go ask the media. I'm sure they have some "unnamed source" who can answer every one of your questions.

Much better idea that trusting that lying ****ing moron Trump.

 

[Herkamer63]

Thank You Mr President.

#WINNING









Trump moving forward to divert $3.6B from military projects for border wall | TheHill

THIS is what being leader looks like. This is what a leader of the free world does. Sacrificing several GOVERNMENT projects in order to serve as the benefit of the country is what the Founding Fathers intended. These Leftists in Congress and running for the presidency are serving themselves and the government. Sure, they'll throw around terms with the word 'free' (freed college, free healthcare, etc), but many people, I believe, at this point in time, know this kind of rhetoric is bull$#!t because they know they will STILL end up paying for all that "free" stuff through gigantic taxes. They are beginning to realize that government officials (including the ones running for office on the Democrat side) won't pull out their wallets and write a check. They're the most greedy, power hungry people out there. Many of these corporations that they SO hate and despise, they know that many of those businesses are funding them, so nothing will change there, other than it might get worse for ordinary people working for them.

Getting back on topic, even if these opponents of the border wall wanted to do something at the border that didn't involve letting illegals freely, they wouldn't have the spine to do what Trump is doing. Thank God for this man that's willing to do what it takes to solve something that should have been resolved in the past 30 years.

 

[cabse5]

To quote your article: "Illegal immigrants — and indeed noncitizens as a whole — are not legally able to participate in federal elections."

So, to be clear, I’m not talking about the local school board. You must be a citizen of the United States in order to vote. If you are not a citizen, it is a felony. Read this:

Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act of 1996 - Wikipedia

House votes to support illegal immigrant voting in local elections - Washington Times

If you'd of read the sixth paragraph of my linked article (and I don't trust Wiki information that can be changed and edited) you'd of read that, for example, undocumenteds are allowed to vote in school board elections (local elections) in San Francisco.

I wonder for those voting in California, for example, are there two different ballots to vote on? One federal and state and one local during presidential elections?

 

[gdgyva]

It wont. The scary pregnant mothers and children will find a way. Be afraaaid be verry afraaaid.

now i remember why i had you on my ignore button

 

[Sabre]

Everyone is saying Trump Trump Trump, care to know what the DOD has to say about it?

Defense Department officials say 127 military construction projects in both the United States and overseas will be deferred to free $3.6 billion for construction or augmentation of barriers along 175 miles of the southern U.S. border.

The Department of Homeland Security sent a list of prioritized border construction projects for DOD review in February, Jonathan Hoffman, assistant to the secretary of defense for public affairs, told reporters yesterday. DOD determined which projects were necessary to support the use of the armed forces in conjunction with the national emergency at the southern border, he said, and also determined which military construction projects could be deferred.

Hoffman said Defense Secretary Dr. Mark T. Esper "has determined that such construction projects are necessary to support the use of the armed forces, and, therefore, DOD will undertake 11 border barrier military construction projects on the southern border pursuant to section 2808 of Title X, U.S. Code."

Family housing, barracks or dormitory projects were not considered for deferment, nor were projects that had already been awarded or those that were expected to be awarded during fiscal year 2019.

The $3.6 billion will be delivered to the Army in two allotments, Hoffman said. The first $1.8 billion is associated with deferred overseas projects, he said, and the second half of the money, associated with deferred projects in the United States and its territories, will be made available to the Army only if needed.

Kenneth P. Rapuano, the assistant secretary of defense for homeland defense and global security, said the 11 projects at the southern border involve strengthening or augmenting existing, less effective barriers, as well as installing barriers where none currently exist. The projects will enhance about 175 miles of the border, he added.

Hoffman said Homeland Security data shows that the number of resources needed to patrol an area "drops dramatically" where a border barrier has been completed.

He said construction of the border barrier will increase the efficiency and effectiveness of DOD forces supporting DHS's border security mission. Over time, Hoffman said, border barrier construction may reduce the demand for DOD personnel and capabilities in particular areas. As additional barriers are built, and the current humanitarian and security crises changes, he said, DOD and DHS will continue to evaluate capabilities needed to support the DHS border security mission.

The construction and augmentation projects will happen on property owned by DOD or another federal agency, said Elaine McCusker, the Pentagon's deputy comptroller.

DOD to Divert $3.6 Billion to Fund 11 Barrier Projects at Southern Border > U.S. DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE > Story

 

[Trump]

You are wrong. Quit listening to the liar.

You think the Los Angeles Times is a liar?

 

[trixare4kids]

You are obsessed with “TDS”. You can say TDS over and over again, but it doesn’t address anything. It’s just a pejorative reframing of the discussion, and means nothing.

Again, why don’t you respond to my observations? I guess you can’t? Too bad, because we all want to hear it. Let’s hear you address what you know to be true, but can’t allow yourself to accept - Trump is a bonehead. He certainly fits the definition of the word. And that, my friend, is a reality that we all know, including you.

If one uses a pejorative to describe the POTUS (as a bonehead) then they don't get to say TDS means "nothing".
Sorry, but anti-Trumps can't have their cake and eat it too.

 

[AGENT J]

lets ask again and watch people run again:

we will use round numbers to make things easier they arent fully accurate but the percentages will be (=/- 10%)

So lets say the the number ILLEGALS in the US increases every year by 1 million. How much will the wall stop? Will it fix our problem? If you could snap your fingers and !POOF! a 30ft wall coast to coast would appear how many of the million would be stopped?


I repeat, its simple, in this scenario illegals go up by 1 million a year, before the wall, How much will the wall decrease that number?
You can answer with a number or percentage, thanks!

 

[Sabre]

lets ask again and watch people run again:

we will use round numbers to make things easier they arent fully accurate but the percentages will be (=/- 10%)

So lets say the the number ILLEGALS in the US increases every year by 1 million.
why are we are doing "ifs", that is the number reported.

How much will the wall stop?
It's like Obama care, you won't know till you see it.

Will it fix our problem?
100%? No.. curtail the majority of it? most likely will.

If you could snap your fingers and !POOF! a 30ft wall coast to coast would appear how many of the million would be stopped?
The "wall" was never to extend coast to coast. Nature provides barriers on a lot of it, to building and illegals both. The rest was to be were most needed, the boarder is 2,000 miles - only about 1,300 miles were intended to be covered and that number has been reduced.

I repeat, its simple, in this scenario illegals go up by 1 million a year, before the wall, How much will the wall decrease that number?
You can answer with a number or percentage, thanks!

Only thing I can say to percentage is that without it that number will not decrease so the amount crossing will remain 100% of more or what is now crossing.