Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins[W:304:440]

[Tangmo]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Your "argument" falls flat on its face the second you ASSUMED I was a right-winger. Obviously you do not know who you are speaking to, pssst I am Left of center, meaning I am a Liberal, one of those Southern Conservative Liberals that still believes in serving their Nation, the rule of law and smaller government while also supporting many social issues such as a woman's right to chose, within reason and the right of Americans to marry the person they Love.
As for the election, I am an Independent and did not support trump or Clinton, neither party presented an acceptable candidate in my view.
The election is over, live with it, change it now and the American People will say Hell No, don't like it, too bad.

As long as you're talking about you let's talk some more about you, ok?

I'm not southern but I'm likely as equally "conservative liberal" as you are. Could be my views might make you "liberal conservative."

I like the word progressive, that's all. Sounds like TR more than FDR but each of 'em had their excellent merits without my getting into any nonsense hero worship by trying to overlook their shortcomings.

Independent voters as a whole and as is well documented do not position themselves between the two parties. The vast number of Independent voters are further right of the Republicans, further left of the Democrats. Independent voters as is well documented over decades regard either party as too moderate.

But then you are you, right, of course. Your post betrays the fact.

 

[NonoBadDog]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Omitted that Al Gore was gracious in 'defeat' in 2000 also.

And are ignoring 5000 phantom votes for Trump discovered already in Wisconsin, even before the recount has begun.

The perp county elections boards decided to fess up and to confess but only after they received the recount cost estimate order from the state Elections Commission. Maybe they're hoping that at sentencing time in court the judge will give 'em reduced time in the slammer for voluntarily coming forward to confess at their own initiative.

Gore was gracious? His team screwed up and he was forced to concede. That isn't gracious.

 

[Moderate Right]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

It's a problem for me, because this is coming from the people that were like, "we need to accept the results of the election" and "the election isn't rigged".

Now it's all, "when I said the election wasn't rigged, I really meant that it was rigged by Republicans. Yeah, that's what I meant."

Both the far left and the far right are full of hypocrisy but I seem to see more of it from the left, even before the election.

 

[NonoBadDog]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

How would the voter ID laws instigated by the Republicans have rectified this????

How would it not?

 

[calamity]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

At least 538 gave Trump a 30% chance of winning. Everyone else gave him like a 5% chance or lower. And people were racking on Nate Silver because he gave Trump a 30% chance in the first place.

Yeah, I remember reading that. It's still odd that everyone was so wrong. It either shows a massive flaw in polling assumptions or proves the election was rigged. I'll wait for some evidence to back up which way it played.

 

[Μολὼν λαβέ]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

The cry baby you just quoted is your new president.

Please show me where I quoted your new president elect. I'll wait.... :spin::nails

 

[Praxas]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

I'm willing to bet that if there was actual voter fraud in the districts Trump won in Wisconsin...that this probably means there was voter fraud in the districts Clinton won as well.

In fact, if true it seems to support the idea that voter fraud is more prevalent than pundits on either side believed. And if in Wisconsin, where else?

Maybe we should be doing recounts in every State where Clinton won by a similar narrow margin of 1% - 3%: Minnesota, Maine, New Hampshire, Colorado, Nevada? That would be 32 Electoral votes she won placed in question. :roll:

In any case it appears he did win in Pennsylvania, so even if he lost both Wisconsin and Michigan he would still be up 280 Electoral votes.

To be honest, trump would have that right if he raised the money to do so like stein has. You're right that there could be discrepancies even in Clinton winning states. I imagine should the recount be successful for Clinton (I don't think it will), then trump will do the same in states Clinton won. All of this, in my opinion, is pointless. Trump won, people need to get over it and focus on what to do now.

 

[NonoBadDog]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

I believe your source is one of the fake news sites.

Silly boy, only right news sites are fake news sights. Same as voter fraud. It doesn't exist unless Democrats are the victims.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

How would it not?

Working with the information we've been given, Middleground's question is fair.

"When the state Election Commission ordered up cost estimates of the impending recount, several counties suddenly found they had votes recorded for Trump that had not been cast by any registered voter living or dead."

In other words, nobody cast those votes, so if votes had been erroneously recorded, what would voter id's have done to prevent that?

 

[AlbqOwl]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

“More Votes Than Voters,” Wisconsin Counties Investigating Massive Voter Fraud (DETAILS)


As Wisconsin prepares for an official recount, 5000 fake Trump votes have already been subtracted from Trump’s lead. Trump only won by a total of 27k votes meaning that his lead has already decreased by 18% before the recount has even begun.

In addition, 4 counties in Wisconsin have just reported that their vote tallies are much higher than the total number of voters in the election. It’s starting to look like a reversal could actually be possible.


“More Votes Than Voters,” Wisconsin Counties Investigating Massive Voter Fraud (DETAILS) – US Uncut

The reason the Clinton campaign has become involved in the Stein Wisconsin recount is now clear.

Before the recount has even begun, Trump has had 4,931 votes knocked off his total due to over reporting of the Trump vote by several counties.

This is virtually 5000 votes Trump lost in a matter of hours and before the recount has begun.

When the state Election Commission ordered up cost estimates of the impending recount, several counties suddenly found they had votes recorded for Trump that had not been cast by any registered voter living or dead.

Clinton meanwhile in the same pre-recount shake out lost 199 votes. The Clinton vote adjustments to the real vote were found as a pure matter of simple arithmetic. The over reported Trump votes came from non-existent voters, i.e., the walking and voting dead. We are now getting a good look at Wisconsin Republican Party math.

Fail.

Before the recount has begun, Trump in Wisconsin has lost 18% of his lead.

Here are the numbers from before the Wisconsin Election Commission ordered the cost estimate of the impending recount,

Before Commission issued its order:

Donald Trump 1,409,467
Hillary Clinton 1,382,210
Winning margin 27,257


Here are the new numbers as of the second day after the Commission issued its order and before the recount has begun:

Trump: 1,404,536
Clinton: 1,382,011
Winning Margin: 22,525

In other words, a total of 4,931 votes have now been subtracted from Trump's vote total, votes Trump got from out of the thin air or from six feet under.

Clinton's arithmetic adjustment was also downward, but by only by 199 votes.

Game on.


Ahead of recount, Wisconsin has already wiped out 5,000 imaginary Donald Trump votes - Palmer Report


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...73R68EZx4SfCnP4IGQf8/htmlview?sle=true#gid=19

With both Twitter and Facebook struggling with how best to deal with the phenomenon of fake news stories, I will need to see a more credible source before I will believe this.

 

[Paperview]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Please show me where I quoted your new president elect. I'll wait.... :spin::nails

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...unt-begins-post1066593442.html#post1066593442

 

[yankintx]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

To be honest, trump would have that right if he raised the money to do so like stein has. You're right that there could be discrepancies even in Clinton winning states. I imagine should the recount be successful for Clinton (I don't think it will), then trump will do the same in states Clinton won. All of this, in my opinion, is pointless. Trump won, people need to get over it and focus on what to do now.

What we do now is concentrate on flipping seats in 2018, its the most productive thing to fight Cry Babies policies. Lets hope the Big Whiner over reaches, and gets slapped down in the mid terms.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

what we do now is concentrate on flipping seats in 2018, its the most productive thing to fight cry babies policies. Lets hope the big whiner over reaches, and gets slapped down in the mid terms.

qft

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[TheGoverness]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

"The phoney electoral college made a laughing stock out of our nation. The loser one!"

Yes, Trump's a ****ing hypocrite on this too.

 

[beerftw]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Yeah, I remember reading that. It's still odd that everyone was so wrong. It either shows a massive flaw in polling assumptions or proves the election was rigged. I'll wait for some evidence to back up which way it played.

Polling issues really, of the forecasters nate was the closest, and in the days before the election, he was even hinting that the polls were wrong in states, especially since some states would go weeks or months between polls. Rcp average up to election day as no tossup had trump losing by one state, florida, by less than 1%, well within margin of error, and had mich and penn as very close races.

By all accounts anyone who actually read the rcp average would have seen trump actually had a very good chance of winning, while other places ignored them and cherry picked certain polls, some forecasters had hillary as a 99% chance to win, nate took the cautious route rcp listed trump as possible and everyone else came out looking like idiots.

Also to add moore and nate silver both around summer made blogs about trump possibly winning the rust belt.

 

[Tangmo]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

What would you suggest Trump should do?

Since you asked, and after giving it a deep dive thought and careful consideration over the past three seconds, I suggest Trump stand down.

Let the EC Electors anoint Pence the Indiana-Midwest bore evangelical conservative from Ma and Pa Kettle country over there.

Pence alone and singlehandedly would bring the Democratic Party back from the dead.

You asked so I'm just sayin.

 

[NonoBadDog]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Working with the information we've been given, Middleground's question is fair.

"When the state Election Commission ordered up cost estimates of the impending recount, several counties suddenly found they had votes recorded for Trump that had not been cast by any registered voter living or dead."

In other words, nobody cast those votes, so if votes had been erroneously recorded, what would voter id's have done to prevent that?

My point is that we don't have much information so far as to how those extra votes were entered. To make a claim either way is pure speculation.

 

[Tangmo]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Non-sequitur response.

You do understand Hillary lost... Right?

Ignoring the recount(s) doesn't make 'em go away.

 

[countryboy]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

It is documented all over the place for decades that in person voter fraud is virtually non existent.

It is Republican Party election fraud that we well know.

GW Bush for Potus in 2000 while his Bro Jeb had been governor and the Bush Family & Mafia were all over the place.

Now 5000 phantom votes for Trump in Republican controlled Wisconsin. At least in WI it's still in the hands of vigilant citizens. Then Republican lawyers will take over, inevitably.

Election Fraud.

Voter fraud in Outagamie County? Think again.

Nope no citizen caught it. The canvasing board who audits the results to ensure accuracy caught it and they corrected it.
THis is common place again you prove you have no clue

accept the results.
election fraud does not exist.

Bumpity bump bump.

 

[TheGoverness]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Bumpity bump bump.

 

[Cardinal]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Just to put it in writing, if the information in the blog was correct then I really would have expected the msm to have picked it up by now.

Poor manatee.

 

[countryboy]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

It is documented all over the place for decades that in person voter fraud is virtually non existent.

It is Republican Party election fraud that we well know.

GW Bush for Potus in 2000 while his Bro Jeb had been governor and the Bush Family & Mafia were all over the place.

Now 5000 phantom votes for Trump in Republican controlled Wisconsin. At least in WI it's still in the hands of vigilant citizens. Then Republican lawyers will take over, inevitably.

Election Fraud.

Voter fraud in Outagamie County? Think again.

Nope no citizen caught it. The canvasing board who audits the results to ensure accuracy caught it and they corrected it.
THis is common place again you prove you have no clue

accept the results.
election fraud does not exist.

ACKKK! Manatee, run.....er.....swim fer yer lives!!!!!

 

[NonoBadDog]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Too late to back up now.

Your emoticon of choice can be ambiguous, especially in the context of the circumstances of this election.

You could be saying 'well that's a crazy idea' or you could be saying 'yes, it's so crazy we might have to do what the words in my post say and present as a possibility'.

Bottom line is that you need to be clear whether you think as the right thinks, i.e., that the recount is a steal, or whether you might think along the opposite lines of, yes, recounts may be a good thing toward a resolution.

Nothing personal but Libertarians in general often get quite foggy about things.

It is duly recognized that you are emoticon challenged. :wcm:newhere::giggling:

 

[Tangmo]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Having a rough time accepting reality, huh? Partisanship on both sides is what got Trump elected. Since he was the candidate that both sides didn't want elected, he is the candidate the people wanted. Partisanship like yours is going to bite you in the ass for years to come.

:kissass

 

[jet57]

Re: Trump Loses 5000 Votes In Wisconsin Before Recount Begins

Bull****..

I'm sure you'll have no problem proving your assertion.