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Trump Looking Extremely Weak

ScrambledEggs said:
In the last two days, he had a tiny Army parade no one cared about. Israel started a war with Iran, while Trump plays 2nd fiddle to Netanyahu. Very large protests against his deportation / disappear people acts which occured over the last month. Who knows where he's at on Ukraine now.

He's run out of scams. The last scam he had was that he was "strong" and could not only prevent war, but end war.

If he wants to be the strongest person on the world stage he soon will have to make a choice about US involvement between Israel & Iran. He could live politically with Ukraine because, let's face it: most Americans couldn't find it on a map or tell you anything about it. Americans don't have much recent shared history with Ukraine.

Iran & Israel is different. This is the Middle East. The last 25 years have been 9/11, Iraq War & a nearly 2 decade war in Afghanistan. The Middle East is fresh with war culminating the post-9/11 American era.

Iraq may be the ones left with the biggest choice. Do they lean into their Iranian ally or their US ally? And after seeing such a weak US "parade", deferrence to Putin, anti-European sentiment, trade wars, mass protests in the US - why would they place their trust in the US?

The weakest among us lack clarity. And Trump has never been more weak
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Yeah, things really aren't going his way, are they?

Also, those 200 trade deals? That was ambitious, given that there are 195 nations in the world. Do we have ONE deal yet?
 
Lycanthrope said:
To be accurate, in 2024 Harris proved incapable of winning an abbreviated election campaign. That's on Biden.
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Nonsense. Harris ran (or attempted to) during the 2020 DNC POTUS primary. A ‘reimagined’ Harris proved unsuccessful trying to run as a ‘change’ (charting a new way forward with hope, joy, and action) candidate in 2024.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
$7.8T was added to the national debt during Trump’s first term, $8.42T was added to the national debt during Biden’s (only) term.
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Trump came into office with a good economy handed off to him

Biden came into office with a smoking wreckage of an economy handed to him.

The thing about the GOP... they really really like to expand the debt when times are good and complain about spending when times are bad.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
$7.8T was added to the national debt during Trump’s first term, $8.42T was added to the national debt during Biden’s (only) term.
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Biden inherited a $3trillion deficit. Trump i herited a $475bil deficit.
 
ttwtt78640 said:
Nonsense. Harris ran (or attempted to) during the 2020 DNC POTUS primary. A ‘reimagined’ Harris proved unsuccessful trying to run as a ‘change’ (charting a new way forward with hope, joy, and action) candidate in 2024.
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Yes, she ran in 2020 and did not secure the nomination.

She also did not win in an abbreviated 2024 campaign, and that's largely on Biden for creating those conditions.
 
aociswundumho said:
Enlighten me. What am I getting wrong?
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Tariffs, medicaid protection, new war in the ME (which will likely boost inflation & oil prices), deportation overreach. That's just off the top of my head. Plus we may go into recession in 2nd half of this year or before midterms.

Trump's honeymoon period is just ending. 18 months until midterms is a lifetime in politics.
 
Perotista said:
Perhaps so, but the problem here at home is that the democrats are still in a weaker position than Trump. The democrats are still leaderless and rudderless when it comes to combating Trump. He still has them flummoxed not knowing what to do, no kings protest or not. Throw in the fact the democratic party is less liked than the republican party, the democrats have a problem.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/5320664-democrats-republicans-popularity-poll/
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Perotista said:
I suppose it doesn’t matter how weak Trump gets as long as the democrats are weaker, leaderless and rudderless and have no idea how to combat him. The democrats need to concentrate on how to fix this.
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And that's what all this is really about. Instead of working on themselves they point their fingers out at Trump and manufacture outrage and fake narrative.

As of June 2025, the Democratic Party's approval ratings are historically low, based on available polling data. Thanks for providing proof of it above.
 
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Lycanthrope said:
And how much does Donald desire to add during his second?
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My best guess is about $8T and that’s only if he gets significant (additional) tariff revenue.

Lycanthrope said:
C'mon - his BBB bullshit is ridiculous and you know it without having to whatabout. Even Musk knows it.
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Yep, congressional republicants are scared to cut federal ‘mandatory’ spending or go against Trump’s plans for additional FIT cuts and more federal ‘discretionary’ spending on defense, border security/ICE and FAA infrastructure.
 
Lycanthrope said:
Yes, she ran in 2020 and did not secure the nomination.

She also did not win in an abbreviated 2024 campaign, and that's largely on Biden for creating those conditions.
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OK, but would you support her running in 2028?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK, but would you support her running in 2028?
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I know you asked this question of someone else but that has never previously stopped me from butting in 😁

I would say no. Harris isn't centrist enough, is too polarizing, and (and I hate to say this bit out loud) she's a woman.
 
Allan said:
I know you asked this question of someone else but that has never previously stopped me from butting in 😁

I would say no. Harris isn't centrist enough, is too polarizing, and (and I hate to say this bit out loud) she's a woman.
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It's sad but it's the truth. A significant number of Americans flipped out and embraced fringe extremism when a minority was elected POTUS - twice, no less! Can you imagine the reaction to a woman elected POTUS, in a nation where so many men fret obsessively about their declining masculinity that a successful niche market for books about reclaiming it has emerged?
 
Buster Keaton said:
Immigration is a bad issue for the Democrats
Their protests against the sovereignty of our country and the defense of our borders, and the enforcement of our immigration laws makes it clear to the voters that the Democrats are a dangerous far left fanatic extremist cult.
The Democrats have taken the side of the Drug Cartels, Human Traffickers and the racist Latino Nationalists.
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And those who break the law.


The mostly peaceful protests, summer of love #2 violence in LA will come back to haunt the Democrats in the midterms.

Per Grok/AI:
  • Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) Arrests: By June 11, 2025, the LAPD reported over 385 arrests since the protests began on June 6, with more than 200 of these occurring on June 10 after a curfew was imposed. Most arrests were for failure to disperse (approximately 203 on June 10 alone), with others for curfew violations, possession of a firearm, assault on a police officer, and looting (14 arrests for looting, one for assault with a deadly weapon.

    Earlier reports indicate 27 arrests on June 7, 40 on June 8, 100+ on June 9, and 225 on June 10, showing a daily increase in arrests.

    By June 12, the LAPD had arrested over 160 people since June 6, with a majority on June 9 for failure to disperse, though some faced serious charges like assault with a deadly weapon and attempted murder with a Molotov cocktail.

    The LAPD reported 50 arrests over the weekend (June 7–8), including charges for ramming a motorcycle into officers and throwing a Molotov cocktail.
  • Federal and Other Agency Arrests:
    • Federal authorities arrested 9 people for protesting workplace raids, including a union leader, David Huerta, with six released.

    • The Department of Homeland Security (DHS) reported 330 people taken into custody by federal authorities since the raids began, with 113 having prior criminal convictions, though these figures include immigration-related detentions, not all directly tied to violent protests.

    • The California Highway Patrol arrested 19 people, and the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department arrested 7 people during the protests, primarily on June 7–9.
  • Specific Incidents:
    • On June 10, after the curfew took effect, the LAPD made mass arrests, with estimates of 10–20 people apprehended in the curfew area, though most protesters had dispersed.

    • On June 14, during the “No Kings Day” protest, an unlawful assembly was declared due to protesters throwing objects, leading to additional arrests, though exact numbers for this day are not specified.
  • Total Estimates:
    • The LAPD alone reported over 400 arrests and detentions by June 11, combining protest-related and curfew violation arrests.

    • A New York Times report on June 12 stated that more than 350 protesters were arrested across at least five cities, with over 160 by the LAPD in Los Angeles specifically, suggesting a cumulative total in Los Angeles approaching or exceeding 400–450 when including federal, CHP, and Sheriff’s Department arrests.

    • Posts on X claim 150 arrests for riots against federal officers, 70 for assault on LAPD, and 66 for looting on June 9 alone, projecting up to 520 arrests with facial recognition, but these figures are unverified and likely speculative.

 
ttwtt78640 said:
While I agree with that (bolded above), one must remember that the viable alternative ticket was Harris/Walz. Running the (reimagined?) current VP and a ‘woke’ Governor as some kind of change ticket (out of desperation?) was a huge unforced error.
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Harris/Walz would have been SO MUCH better.
 
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