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Trump Launches War On Iran

Serenity said:
"We love you God"

Trump has no idea how ridiculous he sounds, does he.
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It's so cringe-inducing to watch. You can tell he doesn't believe any of it, but he's got to pander to the Evangelicals. He's like the teenager who pretends to be religious to impress his church-going girlfriend.
 
There is no way, no f'ing way at all, that this will end well. Odds are little for the US to experience but Israel just got an even bigger target on their back.

In some ways there was little choice depending on who you believe, but damn... yet another Middle East mess we are involved in.
 
CaughtInThe said:
Your post is a lie.

Have you EVER stepped foot in a church??
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His post reflects a reality I wish dems would get on board with: Republicans to a man and woman want a civil war now. Their entire mindset is that dems are illegitimate. 30% of the country refuses to live with the other 70% but they want to keep our money. We can end this pretty easily, and quickly.
 
OrphanSlug said:
There is no way, no f'ing way at all, that this will end well. Odds are little for the US to experience but Israel just got an even bigger target on their back.

In some ways there was little choice depending on who you believe, but damn... yet another Middle East mess we are involved in.
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Netanyahu could've just served his sentence. That was always an option.
 
OrphanSlug said:
There is no way, no f'ing way at all, that this will end well. Odds are little for the US to experience but Israel just got an even bigger target on their back.

In some ways there was little choice depending on who you believe, but damn... yet another Middle East mess we are involved in.
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MAGA is getting a taste of & euphoric over TRUMP STRENGTH direct hits of the US military industrial complex. It's like a drug. They got their hit, they'll be back for more and more.
 
Callen said:
That's the one thing that really bothers me. How close were they really? US Intelligence and the IAEA say that they were not close to developing a bomb. Trump chose to go with some other undisclosed intelligence that said they were. Last night Trump says the stash was "completely and fully obliterated", today the military and others say there is no way of telling how much was destroyed.

How will we ever know the truth about how close they were?
How will we know or will we ever know just how successful the attack was in destroying the nuclear facility?
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They weren't close to a deliverable weapon. They probably were somewhat close to having enough uranium to make a few bombs, but Iran would need to be able to put whatever they have onto a delivery system, which would probably take them 10-14 months, from what I've read/heard.

If Iran wants to have a nuclear weapon, it's going to be very hard, if not impossible, to stop them. Israel and the US can slow that process down with their assaults, but it's just going to make Iran even more determined to get nukes, and as I posted just now, we risk bringing others like Russia (and even Pakistan, Turkey, and China) into the conflict on the side of Iran.

The US is not prepared for this. We may think that we are, with all of our B-2s and bunker busters, but we aren't. We're a nation that's in serious turmoil at home and on the verge of passing a very unserious budget that will guarantee we race toward financial insolvency within this decade. Now would be the worst time to commit ourselves to an undertaking that would require boots on the ground to achieve anything at all.
 
stealthycat said:
you're right


I voted Trump and GOP. This should have all come from Congress like GW did things.

Obama embraced the US drone programme, overseeing more strikes in his first year than Bush carried out during his entire presidency. A total of 563 strikes, largely by drones, targeted Pakistan, Somalia and Yemen during Obama’s two terms, compared to 57 strikes under Bush. Between 384 and 807 civilians were killed in those countries, according to reports logged by the Bureau.

Key examples of countries where the US military has taken action under the Biden administration include:
  • Syria: The US has conducted airstrikes targeting Iran-backed militias in Syria in response to attacks on US forces.
  • Iraq: The US has carried out airstrikes against Iran-backed militant groups in Iraq, also in response to attacks on US personnel and facilities.
  • Yemen: The US has launched strikes against Houthi forces in Yemen and the Red Sea in response to their attacks on commercial shipping and US and British naval vessels.
  • Somalia: The US military presence in Somalia has increased, with operations focused on counterterrorism missions



So we see where Presidents do that. Obama owned it (Democrats and liberals did) and Biden owns it (Democrats and liberals) and so yes Trump owns this and the people who voted for him.

I would rather have had Israel do it, Iran a non-nuclear nation is a good thing.


but I hate war, I hate the deaths and bombing and potential for global escalations etc
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My god.

Long Haul ODS

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ElChupacabra said:
Not really. The optics here are the US showed up like hired enforcers.
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I could see that angle being sold

but we've been active in the middle east for decades - Obama and Biden both bombed areas. Not Iran .... that's true
 
Callen said:
That's the one thing that really bothers me. How close were they really? US Intelligence and the IAEA say that they were not close to developing a bomb. Trump chose to go with some other undisclosed intelligence that said they were. Last night Trump says the stash was "completely and fully obliterated", today the military and others say there is no way of telling how much was destroyed.

How will we ever know the truth about how close they were?
How will we know or will we ever know just how successful the attack was in destroying the nuclear facility?
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Historically, we only really know when the country in question does their first test detonation. The IAEA is unreliable because they’re only ever shown what the country wants them to see if anything at all. American intelligence is sketchy at best and it’s usually caught by surprise. US intelligence thought that North Korea was years away from the bomb when then they detonated one in 2009.

As for the state of these facilities…I question it. Especially Fordow. It’s kind of like bombing NORAD. Sure, you can do some surface damage but because it’s inside of a mountain the only thing that can really take it out is a direct nuclear strike. The geologies involved are not conducive to conventional dumb bombs and tomahawks.
 
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jmotivator said:
Interestingly, this strike came as a surprise to everyone due to the amazing lack of leaks of the operation to the press.

This was probably because Trump chose not to notify Democrat leadership and fired all of the top Pentagon Biden appointees.
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Exactly.

It also ends the democrats hope for a war with Iran. With their military bases in ashes, their nuclear ambitions destroyed, and Israel in full control of the airspace, Iran will have to surrender.

There is no question that Obama's people - John Kerry probably - have been using back channels to assure Iran that democrats would protect them, but with this, the Mullahs know that the democrats are impotent.

They will seek a peace treaty with Israel. And the years of terrorist attacks on America - the Houthis and other proxies - stops.
 
Integrityrespec said:
You really don't know a thing about Iran, or history.
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Well, I’ve got the official history version. Just reviewed it. And I’ve also seen the brave youth of Iran protesting against their leadership at actual risk to their lives. And I’m aware of the dumbbell demographic curve due to the wars killing most of a generation.

But if you wanna lay out the MAGA version feel free

This should be interesting. I hope it isn’t too stupid.
 
Callen said:
I'm concerned this is going to strengthen an anti US /Anti Israel coalition in the ME.
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Recently, it hasn't been anti-US and anti-Israel; the Gulf States generally don't like Iran, even if they don't particularly care for Israel. There's also been a fair degree of political stability in the region.

But all that can change, particularly if actors in the Gulf get the sense that Israel is showing signs of weakness, that it might have bitten off more than it can chew. Iran is delivering punishment to Israel that no Gulf and Sunni neighbor ever has.
 
Napoleon said:
American intelligence is sketchy at best and it’s usually caught by surprise.
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Then that's an even bigger problem! If it is well known that the US Intelligence system is incompetent then that should be deal with not ignored. Nonetheless , what intelligence did he use" Israeli? Did he consult with the Five Eyes or just Israel? Now we hear that the military planning for this was weeks and months in the making which means Trump was on this path for quite sometime. Anyhow, I think the attack is one thing but there is nothing to make me think this really has stopped Iran but it has stirred the pot in the ME.
 
ElChupacabra said:
In Trump, Netanyahu found the perfect simp to buy his narrative and get the US involved in something other administrations avoided like the plague. Trump's also done a great job at advocating for Russia's inclusion back into the G7. Well done Donnie Boy!
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Trump's own NSA indicated that they doubt Iran has restarted their nuclear program.

This so reminds of the drums to attack Iraq over non-existent WMD.

The only good that I see is it may slow or halt Iran sending weapons to Russia to use against Ukraine.
 
HumblePi said:
Let's get back on topic, shall we? We're currently facing what could be a very long, and very costly war with Iran, and any nations that side with Iran. It's anyone's guess what will happen in the upcoming days and months, but Iran has two options. Acquiesce and make an agreement for ceasefire with Israel, or choose to escalate this fight and strike back at Israel, U.S. military bases, and blockading the Straits of Hormuz.
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Calm down plse thx.

For one thing there's only one "straight" in Hormuz. :)

It's highly unlikely Tehran will try to blockade the Strait of Hormuz. The blockade would be undone within 48 hours at the most with lots of Iranian ships and craft at the bottom of the Strait. The world reaction would be strongly and loudly against Iran blocking the Strait given the supply and price of oil would increase suddenly and hugely.

ASEAN countries with Taiwan, SK, Japan and Australia rely on ME oil rather than the cheaper and closer Russian oil and gas to avoid becoming energy dependent on Putin. If Iran interposes itself to stop or reduce the supply of ME oil to east Asia all hell will come down on it and right away. This too would be a military win abroad for Trump. Don't we know that right now Trump and Hegseth are brandishing their new creds as C'nC and SecDef. Which is addictive.
 
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