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Trump Launches War On Iran


Republicans own every inch of this. Every single inch.
Out of curiosity, if the outcome of all this becomes Iran with a seriously degraded nuclear capabilities and an end to the Iranian-Israeli war, will you still be declaring that "Republicans own every inch of this. Every single inch?"
 
I honestly dont care what other people do.
Of course not, especially when it is those other people who started the 'Orange Man Bad!' line of argumentation. That you simply want to ignore.

Im talking to you about a subject, not them.
My post is a reflection of the 'Orange Man Bad!' line of argumentation constantly being posted here in these forums.

Either address it or make excuses

Well no if we are to believe reporting trump chose to get in on the actuon after telling bibi not to, but becsuse that went so well he jumped in and bombed some places.
. . .
Yes, yes, the 'reporting' (in reality narrative pushing to manipulate public opinion against).

Critical Thinking using Occam's Razaor principals would acknowledge the facts, namely:
  1. Some of Iran's most sensitive nuclear facilities are 300 feet underground, under a mountain
  2. The Israelis do not have air drop ordinance which can penetrate that deep
  3. The US does have air drop ordinance which can penetrate that deep
  4. Those most sensitive nuclear facilities which are 300 feet underground, under a mountain, needed to be damaged / destroyed.
Pretty clear cut, factual and simple, really, and not required to be all dressed up in yet another 'Orange Man Bad!' argument.
 
Out of curiosity, if the outcome of all this becomes Iran with a seriously degraded nuclear capabilities and an end to the Iranian-Israeli war, will you still be declaring that "Republicans own every inch of this. Every single inch?"
Sure! But this is why counter factuals are generally a waste of time: we are here precisely because Republicans refused to take responsibility for Iraq.
 
Clearly they are lying. So is the IAEA. So is Israel. So is the administration. The only ones telling the truth are unnamed sources who leaked that Trump has failed somehow.
 
Trump has offered no information on why he is rejecting the intelligence report.
The reason being that this was a CIA Operation from the outset.

I have shown on multiple occasions that the US attack against Iran had NOTHING to do with nuclear weapons.

The CIA seeks regime change in Iran - they want to install a Zelenskyy like Puppet who is friendly towards Israel but an enemy of Russia,

Consequently very very soon there will be a FALSE FLAG event deadlier than the one on October 7th, 2023 , Iran will be blamed.


Why Iran Ceasefire Will Not Last


By Vasko Kohlmayer


June 25, 2025

 
More like you're not interested in a legitimate debate on the matter.
There was no legitimate debate there. Just responses you get from a five year old.

Which was a waste of my time. Dont waste my time like that and I won't ignore you. Seems simple enough
 
Of course not, especially when it is those other people who started the 'Orange Man Bad!' line of argumentation. That you simply want to ignore.


My post is a reflection of the 'Orange Man Bad!' line of argumentation constantly being posted here in these forums.
All this is irrelevant whining. Dont care
Yes, yes, the 'reporting' (in reality narrative pushing to manipulate public opinion against).

Critical Thinking using Occam's Razaor principals would acknowledge the facts, namely:
  1. Some of Iran's most sensitive nuclear facilities are 300 feet underground, under a mountain
  2. The Israelis do not have air drop ordinance which can penetrate that deep
  3. The US does have air drop ordinance which can penetrate that deep
  4. Those most sensitive nuclear facilities which are 300 feet underground, under a mountain, needed to be damaged / destroyed.
Pretty clear cut, factual and simple, really, and not required to be all dressed up in yet another 'Orange Man Bad!' argument.

Well yes that is what happened when you break the points down. Its the rest of the context that you are skipping.
Like I stated trump didnt want Israel to attack. ( not a bad thing). Israel ignores trump, trump mad now. Bombing goes well, trump wants in and buys into the 30 year campaign of bibi that Iran is weeks away from getting a nuke. Of course you want to ignore this. You want to ignore the Iran deal trump ripped up, and you really want to ignore the idea Bibi pushed for us to attack Iraq as well.

Does all this make your bullet points wrong? No it doesnt but its also not the truth.
You guys are trying to play it both ways here. That the site was destroyed but also under 300 feet of rock so maybe not. You all created this problem and now we get to watch you twist as usual.

In the end trump will throw you and someone else under the bus. All you will do is ask to be backed over again and again.

You do you
 
All this is irrelevant whining. Dont care


Well yes that is what happened when you break the points down. Its the rest of the context that you are skipping.

Like I stated trump didnt want Israel to attack. ( not a bad thing). Israel ignores trump, trump mad now.
This would be at the onset of Israel's campaign against Iran. I don't recall specifically what Trump had to say back then.
Perhaps you would consider supporting this assertion of yours?

Bombing goes well, trump wants in and buys into the 30 year campaign of bibi that Iran is weeks away from getting a nuke.
No, Trump is on record since like 2011 or perhaps even before, that Iran must not get nuclear weapons. This is hardly a new position for him.

Of course you want to ignore this. You want to ignore the Iran deal trump ripped up,
I'm ignoring nothing, having posted a critical analysis of the implicit and flawed assumptions and constraints on which the JCPOA was based in posts #2,909 and #2,838.

and you really want to ignore the idea Bibi pushed for us to attack Iraq as well.
Immaterial, as the topic is Iran.

Does all this make your bullet points wrong? No it doesnt but its also not the truth.
"but its also not the truth." Ironic coming from someone who parrots the left's 1/2 truths.

You guys are trying to play it both ways here. That the site was destroyed but also under 300 feet of rock so maybe not.

You all created this problem and now we get to watch you twist as usual.
This assertion disputed in posts #2,909 and #2,838. The JCPOA's assumptions and constraints as well as Iran's history of playing 'hide the weenie' with the nuclear inspectors.

In the end trump will throw you and someone else under the bus. All you will do is ask to be backed over again and again.
I guess we'll just have to consider this your peering into your crystal ball and telling us what you see there.

You do you
 
This would be at the onset of Israel's campaign against Iran. I don't recall specifically what Trump had to say back then.
Perhaps you would consider supporting this assertion of yours?
It was like 2 weeks ago. You can Google it.
No, Trump is on record since like 2011 or perhaps even before, that Iran must not get nuclear weapons. This is hardly a new position for him.

People not wanting Iran to have a bomb is fine, but thats not really in reference to what I stated now is it. Its not. This is wearing thin fast.
I'm ignoring nothing, having posted a critical analysis of the implicit and flawed assumptions and constraints on which the JCPOA was based in posts #2,909 and #2,838.
Thats nice. No deal is perfect, but the deal was working and was better than bombing.
Immaterial, as the topic is Iran.
Context to bibis character amd history isnt immaterial. But hey you ignore what not convenient for you.
"but its also not the truth." Ironic coming from someone who parrots the left's 1/2 truths.
Ah. Double speak saying someone is saying half truths while only posting pure bullet points and try to mask that as the full context of what happened. I had higher hopes for this conversation. This is disappointing to say the least. Another reason why I dont bother engaging
This assertion disputed in posts #2,909 and #2,838. The JCPOA's assumptions and constraints as well as Iran's history of playing 'hide the weenie' with the nuclear inspectors.
Hide the weenie but we destroyed Iran's nukes but we are also unsure if they are there, but we got in deep enough, but its also 300 feet so maybe not..I miss anything with the double speak?

I guess we'll just have to consider this your peering into your crystal ball and telling us what you see there.

What crystal ball? Observation and history. Trump throws you constantly under the bus. Its well documented the routine.
 
It was like 2 weeks ago. You can Google it.
Then it should be no problem for you to support your own assertion.

People not wanting Iran to have a bomb is fine, but thats not really in reference to what I stated now is it. Its not. This is wearing thin fast.
What is 'wearing thin fast'? Your patience with, and tolerance of, people who have a differing opinion and a differing position?

Thats nice. No deal is perfect, but the deal was working and was better than bombing.
That's rather a questionable assertion and assumption by you, considering . . .
. . .
I want to explain why I think simply blaming Trumo for pulling out of the initial IAEA agreement with Iran as the cause of the current problem is just not accurate.

Let's return to that Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action, or JCPOA Trump pulled out of which many blame for the current issue.

The agreement was signed on July 14, 2015 and came into effect on Jan. 16, 2016, after the IAEA verified that Iran had completed steps, including shipping 25,000 pounds of enriched uranium out of the country, dismantling and removing two-thirds of its centrifuges and allowing for more extensive international inspections of its nuclear facilities.

Then of course Trump pulled the US out two years later.

Iean halted the IAEA from inspections in February 2021,

June 12, 2021 is the first time the IAEA officially reported Iran in violation of the agreement.

HOWEVER prior to the above as early as june and August of 2033 IAEA inspectors reported violations and inconsisten disclosures by Iran as to its program, see- https://www.wilsoncenter.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/article/Iran and the IAEA.pdf

So I would argue that Iran claiming it only started breaching the agreement when the US pulled out of the agreement is not true.
(continued)
 
Under the agreement Iran was allowed to enrich uranium to 3.67% said to beenough to fuel a nuclear power plant but far below the threshold of 90% needed for weapons-grade uranium.

Under the 2015 deal and up until the US withdrawal when Iran then stopped all inspections. the IAEA installed cameras and sensors at nuclear sites. Supposedly because the cameras were inside a special metal box with a blue paint that would show any attempt to tamper with it, it would ake still images of sensitive sites. Other devices, known as online enrichment monitors, measured the uranium enrichment levels and there were periodic on site inspections.

However prior to the out and out removal of inspectors blaming the US for that, Iran had already moved cameras and had no explanation for certain uranium levels-while they were not officially reported as violations they were noted.

Here are full details of Obama's agreement and all its loopholes prior to Trump pulling thre US out:


What I would argue is the IAEA repeatedly was delayed from inspections for a full 54 day delay before eaxch inspection and as that was happening conflicting intelligence was coming out indicating before Trump withdrew he US, Iran was playing hide and seek.

The biggest weakness as inspectors complained was that they have no ability to detect the existence of any possible hidden weapons research labs because it would have to wat 54 days before it came on site and by then Iran weould have had time to sanitize the facility without leaving behind the radioactive residue that would be the tell-tale sign of an enrichment plant.

So I would argue when Trump was complaininhg about the agreement it was based on the above not enabling inspectors to properly look for or detect missiles that might be developed for nuke weapons and whatever any of us think of Trump, put that aside, and look the weaknesses in the agreement.

To be fair prior to Trump's initial pull out the agreement was severely compromised I would argue because
Iran was permitted to keep some key technology necessary for making a nuclear weapon and was
permitted to continue enriching uranium. Obama bragged about the tough verification process but the agreement only allowed managed access to Iranian sites with 54 day advance notice which allowed the Iranians to continue to insist certain sites remain off limits which it did prior to Trump's decision,

In regard to Iran's missile program and on-going financing of terrorism the US acknowledged that the deal could not stop that or be tied into that.

At the time of this agreement Iran released American hostages in exchange for billions of dollars paid to them by the US under Obama. That timing can not be ignored. It flooded Iran with money it could now use for continued financing of terrorism and many Democrats not just Republicans or Trump screamed at that.

The initial deal was bad for many reasons, i.e.,




Context to bibis character amd history isnt immaterial. But hey you ignore what not convenient for you.
You dragging in Iraq from years ago is, yes.

Ah. Double speak saying someone is saying half truths while only posting pure bullet points and try to mask that as the full context of what happened. I had higher hopes for this conversation.
You take differing opinions and positions as 'doublespeak', apparently.

This is disappointing to say the least. Another reason why I dont bother engaging
Surprised that there are others who hold differing positions and opinion, and aren't swayed by your one sided bullshit, you grab your ball and run home. Oh well. See Ya!

Hide the weenie but we destroyed Iran's nukes but we are also unsure if they are there, but we got in deep enough, but its also 300 feet so maybe not..I miss anything with the double speak?
No, I agree with you that the damage is some 300 feet down, and accurate BDA isn't going to be coming for a number of weeks, if it comes. Suffice it to say that the DBA which is obvious, per the satellite intel, does show the site as being severely damaged, and not as CNN's biased reportage describes it.

What crystal ball? Observation and history. Trump throws you constantly under the bus. Its well documented the routine.
When asserting things that will happen in the future, yes, it's your peering into your punditry crystal ball.
 
The JCPOA's assumptions and constraints as well as Iran's history of playing 'hide the weenie' with the nuclear inspectors.
Pure Unadulterated Bullcrap :


Rafael Grossi - IAEA Chief

"WE DID NOT FIND IN IRAN ELEMENTS TO INDICATE THAT THERE IS AN ACTIVE SYSTEMATIC PLAN TO BUILD A NUCLEAR PROGRAM"



The CIA's attack against Iran seeks regime change - their alleged "nuclear weapons program is a subterfuge:. The CIA seeks a puppet like Zelenskyy who is friendly with the Likudnicks but is an enemy of Russia. The CIA wants Iran to be the new Ukraine.


Why Iran Ceasefire Will Not Last

By Vasko Kohlmayer

June 25, 2025

 
Pure Unadulterated Bullcrap :
Apparently you've not read my posts supporting my position. Oh well, your loss.

Rafael Grossi - IAEA Chief

"WE DID NOT FIND IN IRAN ELEMENTS TO INDICATE THAT THERE IS AN ACTIVE SYSTEMATIC PLAN TO BUILD A NUCLEAR PROGRAM"


This would be an indication as to how good the Iranians were at playing hide the weenie, and how bad the IAEA inspectors were.

The CIA's attack against Iran seeks regime change - their alleged "nuclear weapons program is a subterfuge:. The CIA seeks a puppet like Zelenskyy who is friendly with the Likudnicks but is an enemy of Russia. The CIA wants Iran to be the new Ukraine.
This comes off as a CT, and those forums are ==>> that's way.

Why Iran Ceasefire Will Not Last

By Vasko Kohlmayer

June 25, 2025

Who is Vasko Kohlmayer and why should I care what he thinks and published on Lew Rockwell's web site (whoever the hell he is?)
 
Then it should be no problem for you to support your own assertion.
I could but I dont feel like it atm.
What is 'wearing thin fast'? Your patience with, and tolerance of, people who have a differing opinion and a differing position?

Not at all. Differing opinions never bother me.
That's rather a questionable assertion and assumption by you, considering . . .

Not at all
had trumo kept with the plan they would have removed 98% pf their enrichment and had they lied he would be perfectly justified in doing this. This is a two sided story. You cant just rip up a deal and expect someone to respect you.
(continued)
 
"The US strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities did not destroy the country's nuclear programme and probably only set it back by months, according to an early Pentagon intelligence assessment of the attack," BBC.
Trump strongly disagrees with the DIA intelligence report.

He changes the subject. The report says, "The US strikes on Iran's nuclear facilities did not destroy the country's nuclear programme and probably only set it back by months."

Trump talks about the targets bombed by the B-2's, not Iran's nuclear program. Clever.

"I think that Israel is going to be telling us very soon, because Bibi [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu] is going to have people involved in that whole situation. We hear it was obliteration, it a was a virtual obliteration," Mr. Trump said.

Mr. Trump said the U.S. strikes had set back the Iranian nuclear program "basically decades." That's an opinion. Trump's opinions and those from his loyal cabinet are not supported by intelligence.

There is no argument that the targets hit by the B-2's were pretty much destroyed. The DIA did not question that. Their concern was Iran's nuclear program, just like the report said and ignored by Trump and his loyal band.
 
You dragging in Iraq from years ago is, yes.
Naw. Im showing context to who bibi is. You know you can do that without arguing the merits of the Iraq War. Mind blowing right?
Ill wait for you to grasp the point about bibi.
You take differing opinions and positions as 'doublespeak', apparently.

Nope
Surprised that there are others who hold differing positions and opinion, and aren't swayed by your one sided bullshit, you grab your ball and run home. Oh well. See Ya!

I have no interest in swaying you. You arent chomsky or Allan who would respect evidence. No i keep you people on a short leash.
No, I agree with you that the damage is some 300 feet down, and accurate BDA isn't going to be coming for a number of weeks, if it comes. Suffice it to say that the DBA which is obvious, per the satellite intel, does show the site as being severely damaged, and not as CNN's biased reportage describes it.

You cant tell how damaged it is. Sure the surface is and there is a crater. Beyond that we are just guessing. Maybe iran is lying and its totally gone. Maybe it isnt, but i dont trust this administration to be honest about it. Ill wait for the actual evidence if we ever get any.
When asserting things that will happen in the future, yes, it's your peering into your punditry crystal ball.

I dont do crystal balls or predict the future.
Looking into the past and seeing what has been done isnt looking at any crystal balls. It is simply the truth.
 
ahhh the good old "experts say" opinion piece !!

"opinion piece" lol. It's alright, you stay in that bubble carefully crafted by your political masters and precious GOP leaders.
 
You can't afford it. Your posts are both oblivious and wrong.

Trump and His MAGAs will never allow a free and fair election again. They tolerate no opposition of any kind. Your post is a lot of words that say nothing that addresses the reality of my posts about the '26 midterm voting and any voting after that. Kaput.

How will they not "allow it" without the actual numbers to pull it off? You think the majority of the country is going to go with it?
 
How will they not "allow it" without the actual numbers to pull it off? You think the majority of the country is going to go with it?
Okay, let's take this a step at a time starting now with the existing and real life present that would lead up to the voting in '26. Never mind your broad and sweeping presumptive complex questions fallacy that has no substance to it.

You need to recognize what Trump-Miller are trying to do with and led by the National Guard in California and in central LA. And by their obvious extrapolation to the major Blue city in each Blue state with their sinister desires on each of the Blue states themselves. And whether the NG would accept this and comply. And that starting now Trump-Miller want to implant indefinitely the Trump commanded federalized NG of each Blue state to monitor then control or neutralize the liberal Democratic party government of each of the Blue states.

Let's deal in the certain crucial specifics that exist before our eyes in CA and in LA, then consider their implications for the major Blue cities in the Blue states and for the Blue states themselves. And how this relates to the regularly scheduled voting in '26 that grips the armband duo of Trump-Miller with fear and foreboding.
 
"opinion piece" lol. It's alright, you stay in that bubble carefully crafted by your political masters and precious GOP leaders.

remember what the OP said

"Republicans own every inch of this. Every single inch."

if this peace works ... then Democrats failed for years and Republicans own every single inch


you happy with that ?
 
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