Trump Launches War On Iran

[Allan]

Qatar just closed its airspace. Something big is coming.

 

[reinaert]

Sheesh. What have Jews ever done to you? (Besides peacefully exist I mean.)

I - Jewish, like not a few critics of the shitty little client state, on these boards and elsewhere - am not tempted, ever, to do the antisemitism of equating Israel with Jewishness.

 

[Ikari]

Ikari, why don't you understand that Iran was in in defiance of the NPT? They are still a member of the NPT and signed a safeguards agreement with the IAEA. From the BBC article cited, Rafael Gross said, "the agency could not provide assurance that the Iranian nuclear programme was exclusively peaceful because Iran was not complying with its investigation into man-made uranium particles discovered by inspectors at three undeclared nuclear sites."

This had nothing to do with Trump no matter how much you want it to be true.

Was Iran months away from producing a nuclear bomb?

Israel's PM says it struck Iran at the heart of its "weaponization programme", but Iran insists its nuclear facilities were peaceful.

www.bbc.com

They are likely not going to be in that treaty much longer, thanks to Trump. And yes, they did violate the NPT which led to sanction and then to JCPOA. And while America was part of the JCPOA, Iran was in compliance with it. It wasn't until Trump pulled out, that we saw this spike in enrichment.

It does have to do with Trump because we had additional agreements with Iran to pull them back onto the global stage, reduce sanctions against them, open up inspections and control their enrichment procedures which was working until...Trump pulled us out. Because black man bad and anything Obama did had to be undone.

 

[Chomsky]

You shouldn't be shocked by redhat depravity anymore, should you?

The shock is how now the former pacifists are so pro Iranian War, that they have feverishly adopted "Make Iran Great Again" alongside their "Make America Great Again" doctrine.

Something's appears not right, to so regularly switch hardened vociferous allegiances at the drop of a hat, exhibiting such schizophrenic behaviour.

 

[eohrnberger]

The lie is that we needed to bomb them in order to prevent them from having WMDs. Israel sought nuclear weapons, should we have bombed Israel as well?

The fact is that we bombed Iran because they don’t have a nuclear bomb and because Trump wanted to on a whim. That should be a big ****ing deal.

'Whim'?
I hardly think so.
Trump, and a great many others, have had the position that Iran must not have a nuclear weapon for at least 10 years.

I think this post is one you really need to read and ask yourself:

. . .
Do you really not see the risk of Islamic terrorists getting ahold of weapons grade nuclear material?

 

[trixare4kids]

International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) Director General Rafael Grossi also said Monday, "Given the explosive payload utilized, and the extreme vibration-sensitive nature of centrifuges, very significant damage is expected to have occurred" at Fordow.

"At the Isfahan nuclear site, additional buildings were hit, with the U.S. confirming their use of cruise missiles," he added. "Affected buildings include some related to the uranium conversion process. Also at this site, entrances to tunnels used for the storage of enriched material appear to have been hit.

"At the Natanz enrichment site, the Fuel Enrichment Plant was hit, with the U.S. confirming that it used ground-penetrating munitions," Grossi said.

IAEA Director General's Introductory Statement to the Board of Governors | IAEA

Introductory Statement to the Board of Governors by IAEA Director General, Rafael Mariano Grossi.

www.iaea.org

Thanks for posting. I heard Grossi speak this morning on this. So many ssdd echo chamber type rumors saying just the opposite.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

They did not. Perhaps in some alternate universe where the Ayatollahs welcomed foreign intervention to protect the control of foreign oil companies to Iranian oil this might be true, but in this on it isn't.

That is incorrect. The Ayatollahs were the driving force behind the 1953 coup.

They were not even if one were to take the more generous view that some did support it and led demonstrations, because it was not a consensus among all of them. The Ayatollahs of the time had varying views on the coup.

Even if there were some who opposed the coup, the majority of the Ayatollahs were the ones who carried out the coup.

We do know which two countries wanted to overthrow Mosaddegh and why.

The UK was rightfully aggrieved over Iran's theft of their oil.

 

[reinaert]

The shock is how now the former pacifists are so pro Iranian War, that they have feverishly adopted "Make Iran Great Again" alongside their "Make America Great Again" doctrine.

Something's appears not right, to so regularly switch hardened vociferous allegiances at the drop of a hat, exhibiting such schizophrenic behaviour.

It's the leader-principle (the German is catchier...) in action, is all.

 

[Ikari]

The shock is how now the former pacifists are so pro Iranian War, that they have feverishly adopted "Make Iran Great Again" alongside their "Make America Great Again" doctrine.

Something's appears not right, to so regularly switch hardened vociferous allegiances at the drop of a hat, exhibiting such schizophrenic behaviour.

Communists always back Dear Leader no matter what, that's all. It's all very consistent. Trump ran on no new wars and such, MAGA spouted that and berated Biden because Russia invaded Ukraine. But Trump gets in and starts a new war, and they flip the script because Dear Leader is now doing something else and that something else needs to be promoted.

To a MAGA, Trump will never be at fault, even if he caused the situation in the first place. There's never a place where Trump is at fault to a MAGA, if anything goes wrong it's always everyone else's fault.

 

[reinaert]

That is incorrect. The Ayatollahs were the driving force behind the 1953 coup.



Even if there were some who opposed the coup, the majority of the Ayatollahs were the ones who carried out the coup.



The UK was rightfully aggrieved over Iran's theft of their oil.

Six times, still nothing like documentation, and still wishing that the past can be altered with repetition and hope.

 

[trixare4kids]

The shock is how now the former pacifists are so pro Iranian War, that they have feverishly adopted "Make Iran Great Again" alongside their "Make America Great Again" doctrine.

Something's appears not right, to so regularly switch hardened vociferous allegiances at the drop of a hat, exhibiting such schizophrenic behaviour.

Those who voted for Trump most likely heard him say many, many times through the years, "Trump will never have a nuclear weapon." One monumental strike to ensure the above does not happen does not equate to a pro-war stance.

Maybe stop repeating unfounded rumor and innuendo?

 

[SavannahMann]

Qatar just closed its airspace. Something big is coming.

The Troops knew this on Friday when they got Steak at the Mess Halls.

 

[Chomsky]

hopefully a portion are bots

Did you stand in the waves to foolishness twenty years ago during the run up the invasion of Iraq?

it's unnerving watching humans be obviously irrational
it's even worse when there are so many of them doing it at once

The taking of hard vociferous absolutist stance on an issue, only to diametrical shift position in moment, is unnerving.

The only constant seems to be,

"Support Trump's position, even as he flips! When he flips, we flip!"

 

[Chomsky]

Those who voted for Trump most likely heard him say many, many times through the years, "Trump will never have a nuclear weapon." One monumental strike to ensure the above does not happen does not equate to a pro-war stance.

Maybe stop repeating unfounded rumor and innuendo?

I remember the claimed pacifism and Biden "war" critiques.

 

[Hamish Howl]

Qatar just closed its airspace. Something big is coming.

My guess is that the USA/Israel bloc is going to do something about Iran's ability to close the Strait of Hormuz.

 

[trixare4kids]

'Whim'?
I hardly think so.
Trump, and a great many others, have had the position that Iran must not have a nuclear weapon for at least 10 years.

Yep.

I think this post is one you really need to read and ask yourself:

Like that's going to happen.

 

[Allan]

Those who voted for Trump most likely heard him say many, many times through the years, "Trump will never have a nuclear weapon."

That's probably what he said, because he's dumb as a brick.

 

[Napoleon]

Qatar just closed its airspace. Something big is coming.

Word is they think Iran might try to take out Centcom at Al-Udaid.

 

[phoenix2020]

Qatar just closed its airspace. Something big is coming.

GPS disruptions being reported in the region.

 

[Callen]

Word is they think Iran might try to take out Centcom at Al-Udaid.

Whose word?

 

[Allan]

Word is they think Iran might try to take out Centcom at Al-Udaid.

I see. Wouldn't that be a good idea

I wouldn't think they'd be that suicidal but we'll see. The US still has lots of force nearby that can launch hundreds of cruise missiles.

 

[Napoleon]

I see. Wouldn't that be a good idea

I wouldn't think they'd be that suicidal but we'll see. The US still has lots of force nearby that can launch hundreds of cruise missiles.

They’re certainly a glutton for punishment.

 

[anatta]

Thanks for posting. I heard Grossi speak this morning on this. So many ssdd echo chamber type rumors saying just the opposite.

I just came across it. Iran's nuke program is DOA. Maybe thy got some 60% enrichment out, but they won't be making anymore.
Israel has been on a tear going after rocket launchers. Previously they went after the same with Hezbollah.

I sill dont know about minaturization of a warhead, but even if by some miracle they are there, they can't deliver a nuke
They are done for as a nuclear power -unless they just buy one from Pakistan (not happening)

 

[ScrambledEggs]

Qatar just closed its airspace. Something big is coming.

My guess is that the USA/Israel bloc is going to do something about Iran's ability to close the Strait of Hormuz.

Word is they think Iran might try to take out Centcom at Al-Udaid.

GPS disruptions being reported in the region.

My prediction is years of tit for tat actions culminating in the destabalization of Iraq & possibly an Iran -> Iraq invasion.

I am just a scrambled egg though

 

[Hamish Howl]

Those who voted for Trump most likely heard him say many, many times through the years, "Trump will never have a nuclear weapon." One monumental strike to ensure the above does not happen does not equate to a pro-war stance.

Maybe stop repeating unfounded rumor and innuendo?

Doo bee doo bee doooooo



Get ready for the next 20 years of mindless patrolling in circles until someone blows up your Striker and sends you to Valhalla.