Trump Launches War On Iran

[Fletch]

Lol, where did you get that idea?

Some lib on one of these thread was losing their mind about oil price shock due to this . I thouhgt it was you but maybe not.

 

[ElChupacabra]

The Ayatollahs are upset that we helped them?

No, because the US and UK did not help them because they were not a part of the coup. Surely you're not suggesting the Ayatollahs would support western powers establishing a pro western secular government in power, are you?

 

[ScrambledEggs]

The Ayatollahs are upset that we helped them?

They took advantage of a power vacuum. It doesn't negate the fact that the US attacked their country's sovereignty. Just like they are doing, again, now.

 

[mike2810]

its the weapons kill people theory. You know, the exact reverse of the gun lobby and their theory that guns don't kill people, people do.

I agree, guns do not kill, people kill people.

imo, Trump went to war with Iran.

 

[Tettsuo]

Lol, where did you get that idea?

Not me being a panican.

What does he think he'll do if the international oil conglomerates don't comply?

 

[ModernDiogenes]

Americans elected a moron.

GIGO. the result of "The Dumbing Down of America" affect. We elected a moron because we have become, in our aggregate, a nation of morons.

Google A.I.:

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Here's a more detailed breakdown:

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  • International Comparison:
    The U.S. literacy score is comparable to the international average, but there's been a recent increase in the percentage of adults scoring at the lowest levels.
  • Regional Differences:
    Literacy rates can vary significantly by region, with the Midwest and Northeast generally having higher rates than the South and West, according to the Literacy Gap Map.

 

[Toggle Almendro]

Umm, no. Who helped plan it so the Iranian Army could succeed?

The fact that we helped the Ayatollahs carry out the 1953 coup does not change the fact that the Ayatollahs carried out the 1953 coup.

No, because the US and UK did not help them because they were not a part of the coup. Surely you're not suggesting the Ayatollahs would support western powers establishing a pro western secular government in power, are you?

That is incorrect. The Ayatollahs were the primary force behind the 1953 coup.

 

[ScrambledEggs]

If Iranians can build nuclear facilities in mountains, imagine what else they can store in there. Who knows how many missiles and weapons they have.

 

[Napoleon]

Indeed, because shades of compliance is something to work with in the context of an agreement where there are incentives for Iran to be compliant. Outside of that framework they don't have to comply with anything.


Gladly, and we'll start off with a graph illustrating exactly when I'm referring to.

On the lower right side of the graph you'll not the uranium enrichment levels which were within the compliance levels. You'll note from the center of the graph moving towards the right are Iran's enrichment levels post US withdrawal, which also ended the wider transparency inspectors had to their facilities. Iran did have a covert program they didn't disclose to the IAEA as they should have, but the question is whether it made more sense to hold them accountable for that within the deal framework versus taking the approach the Trump administration did back in 2018. Clearly the Trump administration's strategy of sanctions as a deterrent failed miserably since not only did Iran ramp up their efforts, but also at higher enrichment levels.

The flaw in your argument is three things. First is that the IAEA had no idea what Iran had been doing or what they possessed since their last inspection in 2002. That’s why your chart shows very little prior to 2019 and a spike after that - because that’s when the IAEA did another inspection and was shown what Iran wanted them to see.

Second, it takes up to a year to enrich uranium to 60% and the size of the stockpile we know of means they were doing it for years before Trump terminated America’s involvement in JPCOA.

Third, we know for a fact that they were still running a covert uranium enrichment program. When the IAEA did their inspection in 2019 they found enriched uranium isotopes in numerous undeclared locations that Iran cleared out before the inspection.

To whit, all of this business about uranium is a jersey shuffle. Iran’s nuclear weapons program is plutonium-based and the IAEA had nothing to say about what Iran is doing with the plutonium generated in its reactors.

 

[LouC]

True, but I don't see it happening with this lot. We need some new fresh blood. This linage of cuckold's will never do it.

It is appalling and saddening to me to think how true your assessment is. America needs new blood in Congress, true, blood that will insist on wresting back the Constitutional powers from the presidency that were earmarked to them by our Founding Fathers!

 

[What if...?]

The land of Israel means the former territory of the kingdoms of Judah and Israel.

Yes. And including it in the declaration of the state of Israel could easily be seen as a threat to all those other modern nations it includes part or all of.

 

[Airyaman]

What does he think he'll do if the international oil conglomerates don't comply?

Tariff them?

 

[Fletch]

Well, except for the fact that Iran - and therefore their terrorist proxies - are now saying to expect vengeance.

And we don’t know where the uranium is nor how enhanced it is.

It doesn’t take a nuclear weapon to kill thousands of Americans or cause harm to many Americans on American soil or around the globe.

And we have definitely pissed them off.

You arent afraid of pissing off the Russians. Why are you so worried about Iran?

 

[trixare4kids]

Iran never stopped enriching uranium and they were never compliant with that agreement.

Correct.
Iran stopped complying in 2019.
Iran's stockpile, their higher enrichment, and reduced monitoring from the IAEA is well known.

 

[phoenix2020]

Clinton remained distrustful and critical of Iran as she mounted another presidential run — saying in a 2015 speech that she would “distrust and verify” that Iran was living up to its obligations under the nuclear agreement. She continued to cite military action as an option, if necessary: “As president, I will take whatever actions are necessary to protect the United States and our allies. I will not hesitate to take military action if Iran attempts to obtain a nuclear weapon.”


did you agree with Hillary ?

“But Hillary!”

 

[Toggle Almendro]

They took advantage of a power vacuum.

The Ayatollahs created that power vacuum by overthrowing Mosaddegh.

It doesn't negate the fact that the US attacked their country's sovereignty.

If helping the Ayatollahs was attacking Iran's sovereignty then the Ayatollahs were attacking Iran's sovereignty too.

Just like they are doing, again, now.

After everything that they did to us, they deserve every single thing that we do to them, and ten times more.

 

[Napoleon]

A Sovereign country is a sovereign country, no matter which way you slice it.

Sovereignty isn’t immunity from consequences for what a country does in the world. Especially the world we live in - where might makes right.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

and ten times more.

Maybe a few nukes will do the job?

 

[ScrambledEggs]

The Ayatollahs created that power vacuum by overthrowing Mosaddegh.



If helping the Ayatollahs was attacking Iran's sovereignty then the Ayatollahs were attacking Iran's sovereignty too.



After everything that they did to us, they deserve every single thing that we do to them, and ten times more.

The US supported the Shah after removing leadership in 1953. The Ayatollahs overthrew him (US/UK installed backed leader) in 1979.

 

[Ikari]

You do know that Iran has never fully complied with IAEA inspections and didn’t limit uranium enrichment to a single facility as required by the agreement, right?

Not according to the IAEA.

 

[Ikari]

Indeed, because shades of compliance is something to work with in the context of an agreement where there are incentives for Iran to be compliant. Outside of that framework they don't have to comply with anything.


Gladly, and we'll start off with a graph illustrating exactly when I'm referring to.

On the lower right side of the graph you'll not the uranium enrichment levels which were within the compliance levels. You'll note from the center of the graph moving towards the right are Iran's enrichment levels post US withdrawal, which also ended the wider transparency inspectors had to their facilities. Iran did have a covert program they didn't disclose to the IAEA as they should have, but the question is whether it made more sense to hold them accountable for that within the deal framework versus taking the approach the Trump administration did back in 2018. Clearly the Trump administration's strategy of sanctions as a deterrent failed miserably since not only did Iran ramp up their efforts, but also at higher enrichment levels.

Yup, it wasn't until AFTER Trump removed us from JCPOA that Iran starting large scale enrichment above the 3.67%.

Trump broke the deal, Iran began enriching uranium in mass and restarting its nuclear weapons programs until Trump then bombed them. It's a complete failure of Trump's diplomacy that got us here to this point. But MAGA has to make excuses for Dear Leader, that's how commies work.

 

[Napoleon]

Not according to the IAEA.

The IAEA said they were compliant with some elements. File that with “fiery but mostly peaceful.” Then they finally got around to doing an inspection and had egg on their face.

 

[Ikari]

The fact that we helped the Ayatollahs carry out the 1953 coup does not change the fact that the Ayatollahs carried out the 1953 coup.



That is incorrect. The Ayatollahs were the primary force behind the 1953 coup.

Nor does it remove the fact that the US played a key role in the coup.

 

[cpwill]

Except shutting down the Internet doesn’t blow babies to bits

1. Cyberattacks are not limited to "shutting down the internet". In the case of stuxnet, it was physical destruction of a nuclear facility.

2. And they can indeed kill babies, and other civilian populations as well.

 

[ModernDiogenes]

It is appalling and saddening to me to think how true your assessment is. America needs new blood in Congress, true, blood that will insist on wresting back the Constitutional powers from the presidency that were earmarked to them by our Founding Fathers!

What the US needs is an well informed, articulate, electorate. One capable of making assessments on the character and loyalty to their oaths of office.

Until you get that you aren't getting what you stated above, and IF we get what I suggest we can't help but arrive at what you are suggesting.