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Trump Launches War On Iran

ElChupacabra said:
Sure, let's go down this road. So the same person that's said Iran will develop a nuclear weapon in 2 weeks for over 30 years also claimed once Iran obtained such a weapon it would use it on Israel. Let's assume they have one - they haven't used it as predicted why, exactly?
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He isn’t wrong. Iran has everything it needs to make a bomb. The only thing they lack is the confidence that they won’t blow themselves up by using the wrong plutonium isotopes.
 
Tangmo said:
This is about Iran, singularly. There's no their there.

Iran, the murderous state sponsor of widespread and lethal terrorism.

Pursing nuclear devices for military use. The identical Iran that said its purpose as a Muslim state is the destruction of Israel. Which means your posts aren't anywhere near what this is about and what's going on.

If it's war your posts are on about it looks like you're going to have to wait and see.
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Iran hasn’t attacked us. Their is proper use for a country. If they violate their treaty under International its up to the Hague to deal with it, not us. We signed an agreement with Iran under Obama. It would have allowed inspectors. Trump withdrew from the agreement meaning we no longer had the right to involve ourselves.
You seem to not realize that Iran uses nuclear energy for electricity.
 
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Pound4abrown said:
Regardless, they will somehow twist themselves into an illogical mental pretzel to blame the left.
Much like they heaped praise, when their Rep/Sen came home to tout Millions of dollars in infrastructure monies, that they didn't ****ing vote for.
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Tons of MAGA are totally uncaring about other Americans. But that stops when the pain and financial hardship hits them personally. That's when they change.

Just wait and see what happens in the South during the next 4 hurricane seasons.
 
BirdinHand said:
Not being a jerk when I ask this - but if there was nuclear material that we hit, wouldn’t something be detecting radiation of some sort?

Is that being detected at any level?
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Oh you silly goose. Operation Midnight Hammer did such a good job at obliterating the Nukes factory, that it even got rid of the residual nuclear radiation. Therefore how could it be detected?
 
BirdinHand said:
Correct me if I’m wrong - but isn’t it only a few of the Ayyotolahs that actually subscribe to the most radical Islamic theocracy beliefs and are fully onboard with this mentality?

I could have sworn there were more moderates amongst them that are more willing to work with “the west”, including Israel?

(As long as Iran isn’t directly f*cked with?)


I am not asking that to be snotty - I’m just trying to remember things about Iran and am still having my morning coffee 😂
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It's official state policy since 1979 when the ayatollahs took charge of Iran.

The rejection of Israel's legitimacy has remained consistent across both hardline and moderate Iranian leaderships. Supreme Leaders Ruhollah Khomeini and Ali Khamenei have both repeatedly referred to Israel as a "cancerous tumor" and publicly called for its elimination. Even reformist leaders and moderate clerics have supported this stance. While the Iranian regime maintains that its opposition is directed at Zionism rather than at Jews or Judaism, official propaganda has frequently blurred this distinction, at times incorporating Holocaust denial and invoking antisemitic tropes.

en.wikipedia.org

Destruction of Israel in Iranian policy - Wikipedia

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The presumptive burden to prove so called moderate clerics would change this to accept Israel is a heavy weight to pull and over a long haul.

If there's a military coup it would be by the Revolutionary Guard who would place a 2-star in as president and supreme leader. The Revolutionary Guard hates Israeli guts. An IRG coup is reasonably likely given the ayatollahs have presided over the decimation of Hamas and Hezbollah, the defeat of Iran backed militias in Syria where their guy Assad was chased out to Moscow, and Israel getting the US to bomb nuclear program sites to wreck the equipment and technologies. Israel has killed off nuclear scientists and IRG high ranking chiefs and commanders. Indeed, the ayatollahs have nothing left in 'em. The IRG has to intercept this runaway train of major disasters.
 
Yes_Minister said:
"Knowing these realities, America must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud."

George W. Bush.
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tsk tsk what he meant to say was Mushroom Clown You know good ol Dubya, he could **** up even the written words of a prepared speech.
 
snakestretcher said:
Great, Israel hasn't signed the NNPT. So what's your point?
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Israel's nukes are legal.


snakestretcher said:
Which Arab state "massively attacked" Israel, and when?
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Well, there is the 1948 war that we are actually talking about, where Israel was attacked by Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen.

Then there was the 1967 war where Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon attacked Israel.

Then there was the 1973 war where Israel was attacked by Egypt and Syria backed by Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Algeria, Libya, Iraq, Kuwait, Tunisia, and Morocco.


snakestretcher said:
Wherever Iran may have preemptively removed them to? Never considered that, did you?
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Iran didn't move the centrifuges anywhere. Do you think Khamenei slipped them into his backpack and carried them out of the facility or something?
 
Toggle Almendro said:
Israel's nukes are legal.



Well, there is the 1948 war that we are actually talking about, where Israel was attacked by Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen.

Then there was the 1967 war where Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Iraq, and Lebanon attacked Israel.

Then there was the 1973 war where Israel was attacked by Egypt and Syria backed by Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Algeria, Libya, Iraq, Kuwait, Tunisia, and Morocco.



Iran didn't move the centrifuges anywhere. Do you think Khamenei slipped them into his backpack and carried them out of the facility or something?
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How do you know, when Israel won't confirm or deny they even possess nukes? The '67 war was preempted by Israel. You haven't got a clue. Read, learn:

en.wikipedia.org

Arab–Israeli conflict - Wikipedia

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www.nbcnews.com

What to know about Israel's nuclear weapons program

Israel is widely believed to have nuclear weapons, though it has neither acknowledged nor denied having a nuclear arsenal.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
 
eohrnberger said:
This supports the conclusion that Iran was always cheating. Given the additional realistic and real life issues I posted just above surely gives reason to believe that the JCPOA was a pretty pointless and useless agreement, as was Obama's and Biden's trying to bribe the regime into behaving - guess what, they didn't.
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Maybe they started "cheating" after Trump reneged? What good is a deal with the US (who would bomb them) not being involved?
 
snakestretcher said:
Who composed that? Source please.
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You have issue with the outlined constraints on the effectiveness of the JCPOA?
On what basis?

snakestretcher said:
And no, Trump reneged on a deal which was working.
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LOL.
This is based on allot of assumptions which I've outlined in my post.

snakestretcher said:
Iran had no obligation to continue to comply.
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snakestretcher said:
In any case whining about Iran's potential nukes is laughably ironic coming from a country which has used them twice, and for no good reason other than to impress Uncle Joe. And don't give me any crap about 'millions of soldier's lives saved' by nuking Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Japan had already been firebombed and starved into submission, and was in no position to continue fighting on any meaningful scale.
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This all an irrelevant emotional appeal and diversion the topic being discussed.
 
eohrnberger said:
You have issue with the outlined constraints on the effectiveness of the JCPOA?
On what basis?


LOL.
This is based on allot of assumptions which I've outlined in my post.




This all an irrelevant emotional appeal and diversion the topic being discussed.
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I asked the source of your post. What is it?
 
Pound4abrown said:
And yet. If anyone dare bring up the disasters of Trump's first term it is weeping and gnashing of teeth and crybaby bullshit decrying whataboutism.
So pulheeze, spare me.
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nope

everything can be used as comparison's - that's fair
 
eohrnberger said:
Something you are an expert at considering the content of your posts.
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For example? Don't hold back. Trump reneged on JCPOA while European nation continued to support it. That's a fact, not assumption.

www.theguardian.com

Iran deal: Trump breaks with European allies over 'horrible, one-sided' nuclear agreement

President says he will impose ‘highest level of economic sanctions’ on Iran as Tehran vows: ‘We won’t allow Trump to win’
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com

www.politico.eu

Europe punches back after Trump’s Iran decision

Trump’s decision to reimpose sanctions angers Europe and spooks companies.
www.politico.eu www.politico.eu
 
LouC said:
Some day our Congress truly needs to reign in our war mongering presidents and wrest control back to the Congress for declarations of war aka war making!
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True, but I don't see it happening with this lot. We need some new fresh blood. This linage of cuckold's will never do it.
 
ElChupacabra said:
Sure, let's go down this road. So the same person that's said Iran will develop a nuclear weapon in 2 weeks for over 30 years also claimed once Iran obtained such a weapon it would use it on Israel. Let's assume they have one - they haven't used it as predicted why, exactly?
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Iran never got a working weapon. Israel destroyed their illegal nuclear program before they could develop one.

The main threat of Iranian nukes is that they would use them to deter against efforts to uphold international law.

The secondary threat is that letting everyone in the world have nukes means an inevitable nuclear war that will destroy civilization.


ElChupacabra said:
The US military doesn't share your certainty since they're not sure of their status or if they had been potentially moved.
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Moving the centrifuges would be a pretty significant operation that would have been noticed.
 
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