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Trump-Kim summit: Trump says U.S. will end its ‘war games’ with South Korea

iliveonramen said:
Past Presidents declined meetings with NK leaders because it legitimized them. Just meeting with Kim Trump has given NK something they’ve wanted for decades.
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So meeting with NK isn't something you supported? Give me a post that condemned other Presidents from doing what you claimed?
 
Conservative said:
"YOU GUYS?"" Please post where I made that statement. I forgot nothing and forget nothing about the failures of the Obama Administration
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You complain of the hatred of trump but yet have a slobbering hatred of President Obama...Go figure
 
Conservative said:
What is scary is how radicals see negative in everything Trump does and never accepts the Possibility that this is a strong positive step forward. They buy rhetoric, reports and have no idea what went on inside those doors. Time will tell and it is way too early to claim failure. For now I will celebrate the potential success
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My thoughts exactly. NK has taken steps it considers significant and was ready for a return gesture. While I am a tiny bit leery of this move I can see its potential value.
 
Conservative said:
No an agreement isn't a deal it is the beginning of a deal. again another example of nothing but pure hatred on your part. What the hell did Trump do to create this kind of hatred on your part??
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What the hell did President Obama do that warrants your hatred?
 
Conservative said:
Hillary never had the executive, management, or leadership skills of Trump nor do you. No it is hatred, not contempt as you have no desire to even consider this as a positive accomplishment. Results matter, Hillary and Obama had zero which is why they lost the election, that is reality
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just to let you know, Obama won TWO presidential general elections.

I know that's a bit over your head but I thought I would be nice & try to explain.

You're welcome ..........
 
Conservative said:
No an agreement isn't a deal it is the beginning of a deal. again another example of nothing but pure hatred on your part. What the hell did Trump do to create this kind of hatred on your part??
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AGREEMENT
a·gree·ment
əˈɡrēmənt/
noun
noun: agreement

harmony or accordance in opinion or feeling; a position or result of agreeing.
"the governments failed to reach agreement"
synonyms: accord, concurrence, consensus; More
assent, acceptance, consent, acquiescence, endorsement, like-mindedness
"all heads nodded in agreement"
contract, compact, treaty, covenant, pact, accord, concordat, protocol
"an agreement on military cooperation"
a negotiated and typically legally binding arrangement between parties as to a course of action.
plural noun: agreements
"a trade agreement"
the absence of incompatibility between two things; consistency.
"agreement between experimental observations and theory"
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MTAtech said:
Yeah, because Kim is going to abandon his nuclear missiles -- armaments that they spent 50 years developing at a cost of half their GDP, just for promises from Trump. Kim isn't stupid. He may be evil but he was schooled in excellent schools in Switzerland and wouldn't fall for such a stupid deal. Kim knows that NK and his regime are safer with nukes than without them. He doesn't want to end up like Kadaffi.

If Obama proposed this, you'd be 100% against it -- and you'd be right. Given that is Trump, you give it a full pass. It isn't hate that governs opposition -- it's historical skepticism, knowing what previously presidents went through and how NK just can't be trusted. I would be willing to just see how this ends up if it weren't for the U.S. making tangible concessions for promises.
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You really have zero credibility as you have no idea what I would have done if Obama did but the fact is you will never know because he didn't and isn't in office. Time will tell, now grow out of this hatred and celebrate for a change
 
cuban smokes said:
just to let you know, Obama won TWO presidential general elections.

I know that's a bit over your head but I thought I would be nice & try to explain.

You're welcome ..........
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By great majorities...

2008
365 EV to 173 EV
Popular vote: 69,498,516 to 59,948,323

2012
Electoral votes: 332 to 206
Popular votes: 65,915,795 to 60,933,504
 
Mithros said:
So first stopping the wargames without talking to the military or our ally South Korea was such a ridiculous notion that it was a "sickness on the part of the left". Then after it was easily demonstrated to be true you changed to... oh well, the president does have that power. bla bla bla i misheard something about sanctions which we wern't talking about. The left still sucks.

I cannot understand how any rational human being could hold both of those beliefs in a short period of time without any self reflection. Like, hmmm..... there are consistent contradictions in everything the people I listen to say, maybe they're trying to scam me? I'm embarrassed for you.
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Can you give me the benefit of war games and isn't the risk worth it? think that we can't destroy NK from thousands of miles away?? You don't understand a lot of things but the chance of peace here is worth the risk. The world is now on notice of what Kim stated and that holds a lot more power than Jimmy Carter meeting as an ex President with anyone from NK
 
Conservative said:
You really have zero credibility as you have no idea what I would have done if Obama did but the fact is you will never know because he didn't and isn't in office. Time will tell, now grow out of this hatred and celebrate for a change
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Based upon past experience, I can indeed predict what you would say. Everything I have ever read from you here boils down to: 'if Obama did it, it's bad.' So, it doesn't take Nostradamus to anticipate what you would say.
 
iguanaman said:
Trump called our military exercises "war games" using NK's term and agreed to end them without a single concession from Kim. Do we dislike NK winning like this? You bet. I'm tired of winning if it is like this. I feels like losing to me. That said I am glad that Trump and the right have resigned themselves to a nuclear armed NK. We never had a choice in the matter.
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What exactly do war games accomplish and isn't this worth the effort for peace? you don't think we could destroy NK from thousands of miles away? Why not give peace a chance? If peace is won, yes that is worth the price
 
SheWolf said:
There is no time line for rebuking. This is what Trump's ignorance and unpreparedness, combined with eagerness to get something achieved, has led too...
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What has it led to?
 
MTAtech said:
What you were saying is that leftists were unjustifiably scared that Trump was taking us to nuclear war. Your articles, from legitimate mainstream sources, showed the drum-beating over the last year of Trump banging the drums of war. That was reality.

But I don't understand your point. Whatever the NK threat, it is just as real or not real as it was a month ago. Nothing regarding threat is different because Swampy and Rocket Man met for 5 hours and pledged vows -- which are as solid as Trump's marriage vows.
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His claim is that people thinking one way when Trump is doing one thing is hypocritical because they thought another thing, when he did another.

You know how you can change your opinion depending on what is known at the time? Yeah, he's calling that hypocritical.

Stable genius negotiation logic 101.

Sent from Trump Plaza's basement using Putin's MacBook.
 
OscarLevant said:
They refused to give despots, concentration camp murderers the national prestige of a photo op with the prez, and they were much
farther away from nukes back then, so doing such a thing would rightfully have been unwarranted.




Hatred is incorrect. Hatred has no basis.

Contempt is correct, it's based on behaviour observances and rational thought. Given the extend of Trump's pathological prevarication and buffoonery, contempt, suspicion, and cynicism towards him are warranted.

His result thus far is equal to cotton candy --- it looks good from a distance, but disappears when you bite into it.

Only time will tell if there is proof to the pudding, which is a long way's off from being served.

( okay, I like clichés, so kill me ).

I'll give credit when it is deserved, but not a moment sooner. Most presidents, except this one, deserve the benefit of the doubt. Trump, given his egregious lies and buffoonery, does not deserve it.
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When do you get back from sitting inside the room with Kim and Trump? Yes, time will tell but right now this is worth the effort. Kim is a liar which is the past we knew but wasn't on the front page of every newspaper in the world. his agreement is and as a result this is worth the effort for if you don't think that we can't destroy NK from thousands of miles away then you are not very bright. War games accomplish what? With the results of this summit it is worth the effort
 
Conservative said:
Can you give me the benefit of war games and isn't the risk worth it? think that we can't destroy NK from thousands of miles away?? You don't understand a lot of things but the chance of peace here is worth the risk. The world is now on notice of what Kim stated and that holds a lot more power than Jimmy Carter meeting as an ex President with anyone from NK
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All of a sudden Con is making the peace sign with his fingers.

What's the big deal with war games?
https://thediplomat.com/2017/03/whats-the-big-deal-about-these-us-south-korea-military-exercises/
 
Conservative said:
Can you give me the benefit of war games and isn't the risk worth it? think that we can't destroy NK from thousands of miles away?? You don't understand a lot of things but the chance of peace here is worth the risk. The world is now on notice of what Kim stated and that holds a lot more power than Jimmy Carter meeting as an ex President with anyone from NK
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First, the idea of giving up joint military exercises without first talking to our ally was preposterous.
Then, well the president does have the power.
Now, giving up joint military exercises is actually a good idea.

You've completely 180'd your position in what, an hour? 20 minute? Yet you assume that you're an expert and everyone else is a moron???
 
iguanaman said:
Trump called our military exercises "war games" using NK's term and agreed to end them without a single concession from Kim. Do we dislike NK winning like this? You bet. I'm tired of winning if it is like this. I feels like losing to me. That said I am glad that Trump and the right have resigned themselves to a nuclear armed NK. We never had a choice in the matter.
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*agreed to end them without a single concession from Kim.*

This ^^ is not true, recovering POW/MIA remains, including the immediate repatriation of those already identified.
 
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