Trump Judge Rules It’s OK to Discriminate Against LGBTQ People. Why has the GOP come to oppose transgenders so vigorously?

[Gimmesometruth]

Persecution fetish.

oh.....the massive irony...

 

[Gimmesometruth]

I know you think you have a gotcha, but countless politicians on both sides have changed their positions since, like, forever. Sometimes they sincerely change their minds; sometimes they're just chasing votes, like when Joe Biden ran as a Moderate and became a Far Leftie as soon as he attained power.

Thats a captain obvious comment, we know people change, the question was why? Donny used to hang out at Studio 54, his mentor Roy Cohn was gay, let him stay at one of his apartments. Of course, as soon as he found out Roy had HIV, Don evicted him shortly before Roy died. Why? Appearances, Don did not want to be tainted by the reality. So when Don was running, he was trying to attract all voters, would compromise and try to look big tent. As soon as he got the message that evangelicals were going bigly for him, he dropped the façade, again, and went anti-LGBT, they were small potatoes and he never really liked them, they were a joke (remember his skit with Giuliani in drag?).

 

[CLAX1911]

The judge just ruled otherwise if you bothered to read the decision?

What rights were taken away?

 

[CLAX1911]

oh.....the massive irony...

oh.....the massive irony...

 

[Gimmesometruth]

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To accuse anyone of "persecution fetish" in a thread about the WH going after LGBTQ folks is such hypocrisy, such irony, so unaware.

 

[Lord of Planar]

To accuse anyone of "persecution fetish" in a thread about the WH going after LGBTQ folks is such hypocrisy, such irony, so unaware.

Is it? It is one thing to be lesbian or gay. It is another to think being a different sex is better when it isn't real. Pretending to be a different gender, even with body modifications does fit within the definition of a fetish. It makes more sense that people are disgusted to see a fetish that should be done in privacy.

It also does class as a mental disorder in not being able to accept yourself. How many trans actually accept themselves better , except for having their fetish?

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Is it?

Yes it is

It is one thing to be lesbian or gay.

Its all the same thing, it is called being human.

It is another to think being a different sex is better when it isn't real.

You are not in a position to determine what is "real" for anyone else when it comes to their gender identity, it is so far above your pay grade, you have no authority, but somehow you think you do. That is called hubris.

Pretending to be a different gender, even with body modifications does fit within the definition of a fetish.

The comment was "persecution fetish", you can't even keep the context in your grasp. It was applied ironically in a thread where the current admin, and the poster, are in favor of persecuting a tiny minority group.

It makes more sense that people are disgusted to see a fetish that should be done in privacy.

There you go again waving some claim to a moral authority and wrapping it around yourself.

It also does class as a mental disorder in not being able to accept yourself.

Says the guy arguing from a self pronounced position of a medical authority, irony squared.

How many trans actually accept themselves better , except for having their fetish?

Wait, are you admitting you don't know shit about the topic?
Yes you are.

 

[Ouroboros]

The Civil Rights Act is not a 10th amendment issue.

The 10th amendment was nullified by the result of the US Civil War because the CSA also claimed that slavery was a states rights issue.

Nullified how? Officially no amendment loses applicability unless another amendment contradicts it. A given society can decide to ignore the ramifications of an amendment, can use military power to get its way. But that's not nullifying the legality of the amendment.

 

[Ouroboros]

Thats a captain obvious comment, we know people change, the question was why? Donny used to hang out at Studio 54, his mentor Roy Cohn was gay, let him stay at one of his apartments. Of course, as soon as he found out Roy had HIV, Don evicted him shortly before Roy died. Why? Appearances, Don did not want to be tainted by the reality. So when Don was running, he was trying to attract all voters, would compromise and try to look big tent. As soon as he got the message that evangelicals were going bigly for him, he dropped the façade, again, and went anti-LGBT, they were small potatoes and he never really liked them, they were a joke (remember his skit with Giuliani in drag?).

Move them goalposts, move them goalposts. And as usual, Mad Lib rants about Trump are worth the paper they're not printed on. I still like Obama turning on his own allies (and maybe intimates) in the gay community by defining marriage as between a man and a woman, until SCOTUS made it safe for him to change his tune.

 

[Aristaeus]

Sort of a blood sacrifice to women after stripping them of their constitutional right to control their own bodies.

But this is not about sports. Are you arguing they must lose rights because they tried to fit in?

You're stripping them of safe spaces, so I guess females are being shafted by the left and the right.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Yet in 2016, Trump claimed there were no problems with transgenders using the bathroom of their choice.

What happened?

I know you think you have a gotcha, but countless politicians on both sides have changed their positions since, like, forever. Sometimes they sincerely change their minds; sometimes they're just chasing votes, like when Joe Biden ran as a Moderate and became a Far Leftie as soon as he attained power.

Thats a captain obvious comment, we know people change, the question was why? Donny used to hang out at Studio 54, his mentor Roy Cohn was gay, let him stay at one of his apartments. Of course, as soon as he found out Roy had HIV, Don evicted him shortly before Roy died. Why? Appearances, Don did not want to be tainted by the reality. So when Don was running, he was trying to attract all voters, would compromise and try to look big tent. As soon as he got the message that evangelicals were going bigly for him, he dropped the façade, again, and went anti-LGBT, they were small potatoes and he never really liked them, they were a joke (remember his skit with Giuliani in drag?).

Move them goalposts, move them goalposts.

I am not moving a goalpost, the argument was that pols change positions, the example was Don and his LGBTQ associations, you don't want to discuss it any further, which would be fine if you walked, but no, you make a false claim about where the debate went. It stayed on point, stop lying.

And as usual, Mad Lib rants about Trump are worth the paper they're not printed on.

Are you printing this out? You need to update your snark.

I still like Obama turning on his own allies (and maybe intimates) in the gay community by defining marriage as between a man and a woman, until SCOTUS made it safe for him to change his tune.

Okay, you don't want to talk about Donny's regression from associating with the gay community, granted it was not a necessarily positive even though he got a LOT of help from Cohn, which was transactional as all his relations seem to be......you instead want to talk about talk about Obama evolving to embracing gay marriage. Are you able to see that that is a positive direction.....or is it a negative turn.....in your view?

 

[CLAX1911]

To accuse anyone of "persecution fetish" in a thread about the WH going after LGBTQ folks is such hypocrisy, such irony, so unaware.

Going after? How are they going after the lgbts?

 

[Ouroboros]

I am not moving a goalpost, the argument was that pols change positions, the example was Don and his LGBTQ associations, you don't want to discuss it any further, which would be fine if you walked, but no, you make a false claim about where the debate went. It stayed on point, stop lying.

And I answered that. The Mad Lib explanation as to why Trump changed his mind is partisan and insufficient.

Are you printing this out? You need to update your snark.

Okay, you don't want to talk about Donny's regression from associating with the gay community, granted it was not a necessarily positive even though he got a LOT of help from Cohn, which was transactional as all his relations seem to be......you instead want to talk about talk about Obama evolving to embracing gay marriage. Are you able to see that that is a positive direction.....or is it a negative turn.....in your view?

I mentioned Obama because no Mad Lib gives a crap that he changed his stated position on gay marriage because it became expeditious. That's what Mad Libs are accusing Trump of doing, so I wanted to see if you'd condemn Obama too. You failed the test, as expected.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

And I answered that. The Mad Lib explanation as to why Trump changed his mind is partisan and insufficient.

You were asked to say why Don changed, you still wont say.

I mentioned Obama because no Mad Lib gives a crap that he changed his stated position on gay marriage because it became expeditious. That's what Mad Libs are accusing Trump of doing, so I wanted to see if you'd condemn Obama too. You failed the test, as expected.

Condemn Obama, in your example, for moving to a more enlighten position? Why?

You still won't say why Don went the opposite way.

 

[Ouroboros]

You were asked to say why Don changed, you still wont say.

Sure I did. I clearly stated that Trump probably reversed himself on bathrooms when it became more and more clear that lunatic Lefties were not just content with getting the bathrooms of their choice. The Left wanted to brainwash the American public with all sorts of stupid arguments about fatuous gender combinations, with measures designed to impose their views of sexuality upon grade-school children, and with pressuring sports organizations to accept trans women as real women no matter the cost to biological women.

Condemn Obama, in your example, for moving to a more enlighten position? Why?

You still won't say why Don went the opposite way.

That too I made clear. You want to condemn Trump for your perception that he was just being expedient, but you won't do so when Obama says "marriage is between a man and a woman" just to protect his political fortunes. There's nothing "enlightened" about the trans fanaticism that has invaded politics; it's purely a matter of "capturing the culture," as the Gramscian phrase has it. The fanatics, in their demented desire to champion the marginalized flavor of the month, don't care about marginalized "cis-gender" women.

 

[iguanaman]

It's possible that gay "conservatives" who bought into the faux anti-trans hate campaign might discover that they're the next right wing target in coming years.

Yes cruelty is addicting...

 

[Gimmesometruth]

There's nothing "enlightened" about the trans fanaticism

Um, we were discussing Obama's change to a more enlightened view towards gay marriage, but I get it, any movement towards tolerance of the LGBTQ community is support for "fanaticism".
It is ironic as ****, but there you are.

 

[Ouroboros]

Um, we were discussing Obama's change to a more enlightened view towards gay marriage, but I get it, any movement towards tolerance of the LGBTQ community is support for "fanaticism".
It is ironic as ****, but there you are.

Nope, we were discussing the subject of political expediency, and the fact that Obama didn't champion gay marriage until SCOTUS made it safe for him.

 

[Gimmesometruth]

Nope, we were discussing the subject of political expediency, and the fact that Obama didn't champion gay marriage until SCOTUS made it safe for him.

I know we were, the Trump's expediency is to become more intolerant, Obama's was to become more tolerant. You also need a little help with your memory, Obama expressed support for gay marriage in 2012, Obergefell was in 2015.

 

[Lisa]

You're stripping them of safe spaces, so I guess females are being shafted by the left and the right.

A woman is far more likely to be assaulted by another women in the bathrooms rather then a transgender female, who is on HRT that chemically castrates their sex drive.


Do you want trans guys to use the female bathroom because of their birth sex? How would you tell a trans guy from a cisgender guy if that was the situation.

 

[CLAX1911]

A woman is far more likely to be assaulted by another women in the bathrooms rather then a transgender female, who is on HRT that chemically castrates their sex drive.

Not all trans women are on HRT.

Do you want trans guys to use the female bathroom because of their birth sex? How would you tell a trans guy from a cisgender guy if that was the situation.

I don't think there's a lot of men that care if women are in the men's restroom or locker room.

 

[Lisa]

Not all trans women are on HRT.

They are if they are passing, which is the basis for using female restrooms and locker rooms. This was not an issue for the past 60 years when trans people used the bathroom of their identity but now conservatives are setting their chest hair on fire over it. Maybe you should ask why that is occurring?

I don't think there's a lot of men that care if women are in the men's restroom or locker room.

Men gets very uncomfortable if females use the men's bathrooms and locker rooms, other than at concerts/bars.

 

[CLAX1911]

They are if they are passing,

If they're passing first nobody notices except for you're very astute observer most people don't care about other people that much to observe such details. Second nobody cares.

I do not believe for a minute that an actual transgender woman would get her dick out in the bathroom around other women the type of guys that do that are using transgender as an excuse to have access to do this sort of thing.

You have to acknowledge that this exists I'm very astute at drawing a very Stark line between transgender people and these other people. You don't have to convince me that these are two very different groups.

which is the basis for using female restrooms and locker rooms. This was not an issue for the past 60 years when trans people used the bathroom of their identity but now conservatives are setting their chest hair on fire over it. Maybe you should ask why that is occurring?

I don't think it was an issue until trans people who made absolutely no effort to pass or do anything to transition at all started calling themselves transgender.

These people should actually insult real transgender people because they're faking it that's 100% what they're doing. They are hurting transgender people more than all the conservatives and all the religious people combined.

Have to acknowledge these people exist. If you can't you're part of the problem.

Men gets very uncomfortable if females use the men's bathrooms and locker rooms, other than at concerts/bars.

I have not noticed. I go to a gym and this gym has sex segregated locker rooms. There are transgender members. this gym allows transgender people to use the locker rooms of their gender identity. I don't think actual trans people make this a problem.

I want you to read this carefully I don't think trans people are the problem. In my experience they tend to be kind of shy, and unless you're really seeing details of people paying more attention than most people do they're not really even going to notice. Unless they're just really lying about being trans and they're just women and making no effort to pass and pull in their titties out in front of everyone I would think an actual woman pretending to be a man in this case would be unwilling to do that.

So I don't believe you.

 

[noonereal]

I hate to agree with Trump on anything but, here i do.

The U.S. Department of Justice announced Wednesday that it was ramping up an investigation into California high school sports after a transgender girl qualified for three events at the upcoming state track and field championships.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/28/us/trump-california-trans-athletes-doj-investigation.html?smid=nytcore-android-share

 

[noonereal]

They are if they are passing, which is the basis for using female restrooms and locker rooms. This was not an issue for the past 60 years when trans people used the bathroom of their identity but now conservatives are setting their chest hair on fire over it.

This was largely made an issue for political purposes. Interesting and no one seems to recall, Trump said he was fine with the teans using any bathroom they want in Trump Tower.

This was right after he came down his escalator in 2016.

Men gets very uncomfortable if females use the men's bathrooms and locker rooms, other than at concerts/bars

I call bullshit.