Trump Is Now Openly Begging Debate Moderators Not To Fact Check Him

[Fishking]

"Mr. Trump, you insisted that Barack Obama was not from the United States for the last 5 years, and then suddenly you say the opposite. Why should the American people be able to trust you?"

Does that count as one of those pesky fact checky questions?

That is, does having factual information about things like that count as too factual for conservatives?

I would have to seriously question my support for a candidate if, on the verge of a debate, I became afraid that said candidate was going to be asked to account for factual things.

No, that's asking a question. Fact checking is when the candidate is giving their response and the moderator interjects to disagree with what they candidate is saying. It's up to the opposing candidate to then call them out on their answer.

 

[American]

Yes that is the major problem with fact checking, there is a lot of opinion in most polices with little concrete evidence so only a small number of statements can actually be fact checked but with the pressure to produce content the fact checkers have gone father and farther out on a limb.

Whoever they pick to moderate, you can bet they're a Friend Of Hillary (FOH).

 

[Cardinal]

"Mr. Trump, you insisted that Barack Obama was not from the United States for the last 5 years, and then suddenly you say the opposite. Why should the American people be able to trust you?"

Does that count as one of those pesky fact checky questions?

That is, does having factual information about things like that count as too factual for conservatives?

I would have to seriously question my support for a candidate if, on the verge of a debate, I became afraid that said candidate was going to be asked to account for factual things.

I've got a better question that: "Mr. Trump, you were the de facto leader of the movement that insisted that Barak Obama needed to show his birth certificate. After Mr. Obama did in fact show his birth certificate you've remain silent on the issue in the five years since. What happened between then and now to make you definitively declare that Obama is in fact a natural United States citizen and therefore legitimate for the office of the White House?

 

[Cardinal]

That's ok, others are up to the job, it's not all about you.

Wow, that is weak.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Wow, that is weak.

It was fine, and I am the guy who is right a high percentage of the time.

Are you bored today?

 

[Opopanax]

I've got a better question that: "Mr. Trump, you were the de facto leader of the movement that insisted that Barak Obama needed to show his birth certificate. After Mr. Obama did in fact show his birth certificate you've remain silent on the issue in the five years since. What happened between then and now to make you definitively declare that Obama is in fact a natural United States citizen and therefore legitimate for the office of the White House?

Actually, he called the birth certificate a forgery. Or rather, "I've been told it's a forgery/lots of people are saying it's a forgery." He was on about it up until as recently as oh, 2016.

ETA: Trump now owes Obama $5 million

 

[Hawkeye10]

Actually, he called the birth certificate a forgery. Or rather, "I've been told it's a forgery/lots of people are saying it's a forgery." He was on about it up until as recently as oh, 2016.

So then he did not in fact claim it was a forgery, he suggested that it might be.

Words have standard meanings, which we should use, rather than making up our own dictionaries.

 

[Opopanax]

So then he did not in fact claim it was a forgery, he suggested that it might be.

Words have standard meanings, which we should use, rather than making up our own dictionaries.

I can't help it if you don't understand how Trump has been bulls*$^^ing you through the floor. Feeble-minded pedantry may impress you, but no one with any sense is buying it.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I can't help it if you don't understand how Trump has been bulls*$^^ing you through the floor. Feeble-minded pedantry may impress you, but no one with any sense is buying it.

He is using words abnormally well.

I like that in a POTUS candidate.

I like the smart ones.

Not the dumb ones

Like JEB!

 

[VanceMack]

I suspect his point is that a debate is typically between Party A and Party B. In collegiate debate, the moderator judges known erroneous comments but does not intercede. Thats the job of the opponent. Its no different in a political debate. Fact check away...but present those facts in the analysis of the debate post debate. Moderators are not players in the debate nor should they be. It would be no different if a Fox News panelist took on the role of 'fact checker' any time Hillary started talking about her lies. That would be inappropriate.

 

[justabubba]

Was reading today that there is no evidence that Trump has been studying up. If he comes with many alleged facts that will be the biggest shock of the campaign.

it was indicated he has been practicing for the debate while on the golf course

practicing bogeys i would speculate

but i agree with him that the function of the moderator is not to be a fact checker

that does not mean the moderator should not be able to ask a follow up question that causes the speaker to double down on the misstatement or to clarify what was said

the purpose of debate - do i really need to express it on a debate site - is for the person having a different opinion to rebut their opponent. and if that means knowing the subject well enough to call out the other debater for his/her wrong statements then that is the burden placed on the parties engaged in debate - NOT the moderator

 

[justabubba]

The best thing a moderator could do is have a mute button to silence people when they interrupt or go over time but since debate moderators don't do that, they may as well be a computerized voice.

ideally, there are three microphones but only one can be "on" at any given moment

 

[Hawkeye10]

it was indicated he has been practicing for the debate while on the golf course

practicing bogeys i would speculate

but i agree with him that the function of the moderator is not to be a fact checker

that does not mean the moderator should not be able to ask a follow up question that causes the speaker to double down on the misstatement or to clarify what was said

the purpose of debate - do i really need to express it on a debate site - is for the person having a different opinion to rebut their opponent. and if that means knowing the subject well enough to call out the other debater for his/her wrong statements then that is the burden placed on the parties engaged in debate - NOT the moderator

Also read that when asked Trump said something to the effect "I dont need to practice, my whole life has been a debate". Hillary on the other hand has spent full days at home getting ready with her books and tutors, being the earnest one.


This should be fun!
:duel

 

[justabubba]

Also read that when asked Trump said something to the effect "I dont need to practice, my whole life has been a debate". Hillary on the other hand has spent full days at home getting ready with her books and tutors, being the earnest one.


This should be fun!
:duel

you know she has been at home recovering from her bout of tuberculosis

 

[Hawkeye10]

you know she has been at home recovering from her bout of tuberculosis

Or whatever, and studying like the studious student she has always been.

She is not all that bright but she works hard.

When she is physically able.

 

[imyoda]

What is "the truth" if Hillary claims that her email server contained no classified data?

What is "the truth" if Trump claims that his tax plan would increase GDP growth or reduce unemployment?

Is it now up to the debate moderator to decide what is "the truth" on the spot and, if so, what proof of "the truth" must be offered by the moderator on the spot?

EDIT: I am certainly glad that our DP moderators have given themselves no such power to state what is "the truth" of a matter.

What part of truth/facts frightens you?

 

[imyoda]

He answered a question about moderation. He wasn't begging for anything. The article characterizing it that way is idiocy.
You supporting the claim is asinine and just displays your own absurd bias.

Thanks for sharing your opinion

 

[imyoda]

The moderator should not participate in the debate. That's not his/her job.

We haven't had fair moderating since the League of Women Voters was summarily dismissed so the politicians themselves could run the show.

Thank you for your thoughtful observation.......

 

[imyoda]

That isn't what debate moderators are for.

So what then?

 

[Cardinal]

Actually, he called the birth certificate a forgery. Or rather, "I've been told it's a forgery/lots of people are saying it's a forgery." He was on about it up until as recently as oh, 2016.

ETA: Trump now owes Obama $5 million

Which makes the issue of why Donald decided that Obama is a natural born citizen even more confusing.

 

[apdst]

So what then?

They moderate.

 

[yankintx]

Or whatever, and studying like the studious student she has always been.

She is not all that bright but she works hard.

When she is physically able.

Yup

The Don better hit the books, otherwise Trump will look like an idiot, again.

 

[Cardinal]

Whoever they pick to moderate, you can bet they're a Friend Of Hillary (FOH).

Sounds like you've got your Trump-loss narrative all picked out.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Clinton, for all her knowledge, polling and top-tier coaching, has always been defined not by what she’s said on the debate stage but by how she’s dealt with what her opponents have said about her.

Inside Hillary Clinton’s debate prep - POLITICO

Yep, which is why we should be able to expect that Trump pushes the debate to a place where he has the advantage, because Hillary never has the power to set the agenda, she is second rate goods. She has done something like 40 debates over her lifetime, if Trump cant in all that evidence find the key to blow her up he is not the Donald J Trump I took him for,

 

[ModerationNow!]

What is "the truth" if Hillary claims that her email server contained no classified data?

What is "the truth" if Trump claims that his tax plan would increase GDP growth or reduce unemployment?

Is it now up to the debate moderator to decide what is "the truth" on the spot and, if so, what proof of "the truth" must be offered by the moderator on the spot?

EDIT: I am certainly glad that our DP moderators have given themselves no such power to state what is "the truth" of a matter.

In the 2012 debates, Candy Crowley openly lied about the "facts" surrounding Obama's cover-up of the Benghazi attacks. Then in the following days, she corrected the tecod and admitted that her reaction during the debate wasn't accurate.

Its predictable that the media are NOT demanding to see Hillary and Bill's records involving their pay to play Clinton foundation, nor are they reporting the unending corruption involving her abuse of her position as Secretary of state, when she handed out political and financial favors in exchange for companies and countries to hire Bill for over $200,000 per hour for speeches.

Progressives will say that the media's negativity against Trump is purely based on a few comments he has made. That's so obviously false, because the media's negativity surrounding republicans clearly didn't start with Trump. the msm have opposed every Republican for decades, and they always side with democrats, even the most corrupt and incompetent democrats. They certainly aren't reporting the failures of Hillary's policies, they aren't critcizing her for lying about the Benghazi attack, etc. They omit most anything that would hurt her, and they are increasingly trying to portray her as a great candidate.

Besides, they weren't honest about the allegedly racist comments Trump made anyway. He never called all Latinos rapists for instance.