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Trump Is Losing, Ask Stephen Moore

code1211 said:
The quoted part was a cut and paste from your post.

You referenced the "Trumpian segment of the country".

You attribute the sentiment to folks that you say echo the sentiments of Trump.

Where is the link? Are you saying that you were only employing libel and don't really have any example of your assertion?
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The bold—no. Try again. Maybe you’ll figure it out by Monday.
 
Craig234 said:
That's actually a quote from Benjamin Franklin.

It doesn't really have anything to do with the topic, but I guess he thinks he sounds like some respectable conservative by quoting a founding father. I think he's always been an embarrassment and a mystery why he gets so much press except that he's a dedicated, shameless plutocrat.
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Oh of course it's Benjamin Franklin. And Franklin was trying to point out that the founders weren't interested in Athenian-style pure or direct democracy. But the point is, we're not a direct democracy because no one is. When people say "the United State is not a democracy", they're wrong because we ARE, but we're "a representative democracy operating inside the framework of a constitutional republic", and since that is too big a mouthful, people just say "democracy" because "representative democracy operating inside the framework of a constitutional republic" is the commonly accepted and generally recognized definition of democracy in the modern era.

But to run around saying that we are not a democracy isn't just inaccurate, it's dangerous because the form of democracy we have is very precious and essential to our survival as a free country. Most people who are fond of claiming we are not a democracy are authoritarian demagogues, and they would prefer that we become a kind of authoritarian autocracy, headed by a strongman or an elite group of strongmen.

Moore is acting as a shill for those people. That is downright dangerous. Our country has fought just wars against such things.
 
ocean515 said:
They were trying, from what I understand. There is also an issue of an IRS back tax thing, that looks like it will end in his favor.

Why would any successful person, accomplished enough to be noticed and recommended for such a big job, want to go through the partisan bull**** the New Democratic Party and their media partners have created?

I wouldn't.


My only hope is complete retribution when the shoe in on the other foot. Total scorched earth napalm runs against everyone the next Dem President selects for any office. Smoldering ruins.


Perhaps then their game will come to an end. It's vile and despicable to attempt to ruin good people wanting to serve their country simply because of political and emotional immaturity.
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If we keep dredging up peoples 20 years ago past, we are never going to get qualified people in government. All we are going to get is pious dolts.
 
The Democratic Party now sets out to destroy the reputation of anyone and everyone of any difference of opinion - being able to 100% reply upon the super rich corporate MSM and press propaganda outlets to tell any lies the Democratic Party tells. Before even taking the appointment, the Democratic Party and corporate MSM/press set out to try to destroy Moore's life.
 
chuckiechan said:
How did they unseal his divorce records? This open up a whole new front in personal destruction. Boden is done, stick a fork in him. We don’t even need his divorce records.
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Unsealing divorce records...sounds like a Dem tactic alright.
Just ask the guy who went up against Obama for Senator before he had to bow out.

Dirty ****ers.
 
Roadvirus said:
Unsealing divorce records...sounds like a Dem tactic alright.
Just ask the guy who went up against Obama for Senator before he had to bow out.

Dirty ****ers.
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But as the democrats chart the path to each new low, the Republicans discover, “Hey! We can do that, too!”
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
Oh of course it's Benjamin Franklin. And Franklin was trying to point out that the founders weren't interested in Athenian-style pure or direct democracy. But the point is, we're not a direct democracy because no one is. When people say "the United State is not a democracy", they're wrong because we ARE, but we're "a representative democracy operating inside the framework of a constitutional republic", and since that is too big a mouthful, people just say "democracy" because "representative democracy operating inside the framework of a constitutional republic" is the commonly accepted and generally recognized definition of democracy in the modern era.

But to run around saying that we are not a democracy isn't just inaccurate, it's dangerous because the form of democracy we have is very precious and essential to our survival as a free country. Most people who are fond of claiming we are not a democracy are authoritarian demagogues, and they would prefer that we become a kind of authoritarian autocracy, headed by a strongman or an elite group of strongmen.

Moore is acting as a shill for those people. That is downright dangerous. Our country has fought just wars against such things.
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Yes, we agree. It's sad how many ignorant people don't understand the meaning of these words and think 'the US is not a democracy' because it is a democratic republic.
 
Craig234 said:
Yes, we agree. It's sad how many ignorant people don't understand the meaning of these words and think 'the US is not a democracy' because it is a democratic republic.
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Anyone who has been paying attention knows the Trumpian Right has no intention of upholding Democracy. Once the blacks, gays, and women started having a say, the math changed on that whole "one person one vote" thing. Now, it's ten votes for white men and those who think like them with, maybe, one vote left over "for the rest of you all."
 
Craig234 said:
Yes, we agree. It's sad how many ignorant people don't understand the meaning of these words and think 'the US is not a democracy' because it is a democratic republic.
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A lot of money has been spent by think tanks to ensure that these people don't understand.
The rise of ignorance on this issue was not an accident. Whether it's Dennis Prager, Glenn Beck, Dinesh D'Souza, Jonah Goldberg or Rush Limbaugh, all derive at least some of the root of their arguments from right wing think tanks, and then add their own creative dabbling in to sound original.

The same is true for these same demagogues who attempt to portray Hitler as a liberal socialist.
It is part and parcel of the same institutionalized and well funded network of historical revisionism.
By painting Hitler as an agent of the liberal Left, AND abusing our respect for democracy, fertile ground is then laid for the introduction of authoritarianism in some form, usually and preferably right wing authoritarian fascist theocracy.

This is important because a theocracy always protects its wealthy elites, and elites view democracy as an inconvenience and therefore reward fascism, and protect the theocrats as long as the theocrats protect them, it's an example of "strange bedfellows" which can already be seen in the evangelical protection of a known heathen man-whore like Trump.

But the people must be made to disrespect democracy before they will accept an authoritarian strongman.
That is the purpose of the lies and revisionism.
 
calamity said:
Stephen Moore out of Fed contention

That makes the Idiot in Chief Oh fer two in Fed Picks. But, this loss was a biggie.






That's not exactly winning.

:lol:
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Like a good little Trump hater, calamity, you pretend not to know things.

Stephen Moore slams CNN, NYT for digging through 10-year-old divorce settlement to dig for ‘dirt’ | Fox News

And like a dishonest person, you blame Trump for his picks...and not the anti-Trumpers who attacked both Cain and Moore for things that happened decades ago.
 
Mycroft said:
So what? I hate democracy, too. The last thing I want running my country is mob rule.
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You're talking about direct athenian style democracy, which hasn't existed in 2500 years.
The United States is a representative democracy in the framework of a constitutional republic, which is a mouthful, thus "representative democracy in the framework of a constitutional republic" is commonly referred to as a democracy.

But we already knew that you hate that, because you have professed your love of authoritarian strongman tyranny for most of your existence here on DP. Thanks for playing, and let me know when you dig up any nation aside from the Ancient Greeks who have tried direct athenian democracy aka mob rule.
 
joko104 said:
The Democratic Party now sets out to destroy the reputation of anyone and everyone of any difference of opinion - being able to 100% reply upon the super rich corporate MSM and press propaganda outlets to tell any lies the Democratic Party tells. Before even taking the appointment, the Democratic Party and corporate MSM/press set out to try to destroy Moore's life.
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Total lies. Here's a hint - the corporate media has a CORPORATE bias - a WEALTH bias - all those big political donors spend money on the CORPORATE media which is why you basically never hear the media on campaign finance reform - they have a REPUBLICAN bias, the party of the corporate and wealth agendas. And Moore deserves a lot more criticism than he got - his appointment is a crime and he gets far too much media time.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
I don't give two ****s about his divorce, I care about the fact that he hates democracy.
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I don't care about his divorce, and I think his hate of democracy is overblown - it's that he's an idiotic right-wing advocate that's the problem. And unqualified.
 
Craig234 said:
I don't care about his divorce, and I think his hate of democracy is overblown - it's that he's an idiotic right-wing advocate that's the problem. And unqualified.
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The man is on record as obfuscating by referring to a form of democracy which has never existed in the modern era, in an attempt to attack our form of representative constitutional republican democracy. There can only be one reason why someone in a position of responsibility and leadership would make reference to weaponized historical revisionism like that, and that is to attack the American form of democracy that has existed since the founders created our republic.

In doing so, he is directly attacking the Constitution and expressing a desire to overturn it, ostensibly in favor of a more authoritarian and tyrannical type of government. Therefore I do not believe it is overblown in the least.

Those who profess this school of thought are most often in favor of dictatorships.
 
chuckiechan said:
If we keep dredging up peoples 20 years ago past, we are never going to get qualified people in government. All we are going to get is pious dolts.
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I agree. Geeze, everyone has a skeleton in the closet. Also, in this day and age, people can be paid to claim anything from 20 years ago.

I don't care if someone cheated on a spelling test in High School, I care if someone is qualified for the position being considered, period.


As it is, really qualified people are going to say no to nominations because they don't want to have their reputations destroyed by the bull**** circus in D.C.



As I wrote, I want to see total evisceration of any nominee a Dem President selects. Reap what you sow.
 
Checkerboard Strangler said:
You're talking about direct athenian style democracy, which hasn't existed in 2500 years.
The United States is a representative democracy in the framework of a constitutional republic, which is a mouthful, thus "representative democracy in the framework of a constitutional republic" is commonly referred to as a democracy.

But we already knew that you hate that, because you have professed your love of authoritarian strongman tyranny for most of your existence here on DP. Thanks for playing, and let me know when you dig up any nation aside from the Ancient Greeks who have tried direct athenian democracy aka mob rule.
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Our founding fathers expressed their dislike to democracy...and they rejected it for our country. And for good reasons.
 
code1211 said:
Inflation is low,
Stock markets are churning right along near historic highs,
employment at record high levels,
wage rates are up,
tax rates are down,
Federal Tax Revenues are up,
Median household income is up.

That's what winning looks like for individuals and these the promised results delivered by Trump. With Trump policies in place, everyone gets more of what they earn and create.

The myopic, partisan hacks and their brain-dead disciples from the Democrat party are working hard to assure that you have smaller shares of winning and larger shares of losing.

Why do you support the Dems who have the stated goal to keep you from winning?
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We'll see if the pattern holds true on big tax cuts.

If it does, we will have a correction as the sugar high fades.

Republicans always promise the things you listed, and usually see them.

For a while.

Then when the dust settles the donor class is fatter and the rest of us are where we were or worse.

If the predicted correction commences later this year, we'll see if those numbers hold.

And spare me the "why do you want America to fail" propaganda message.

It is weak and only y'all believe it.

And I weary of obvious propaganda and the ease with which people swallow and spread it.
 
ocean515 said:
They were trying, from what I understand. There is also an issue of an IRS back tax thing, that looks like it will end in his favor.

Why would any successful person, accomplished enough to be noticed and recommended for such a big job, want to go through the partisan bull**** the New Democratic Party and their media partners have created?

I wouldn't.


My only hope is complete retribution when the shoe in on the other foot. Total scorched earth napalm runs against everyone the next Dem President selects for any office. Smoldering ruins.


Perhaps then their game will come to an end. It's vile and despicable to attempt to ruin good people wanting to serve their country simply because of political and emotional immaturity.
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Its not a bad thing to not want an emotionally immature supreme court justice.
 
ocean515 said:
I think WaPo is a business that seeks to extract the highest profit it can from the product it manufacturers. I think it packages and markets it goods to a certain segment of consumers it believes will help them achieve that goal.

Given how many times their manufactured goods have been found to be grossly defective, I wouldn't say they are a quality manufacturer, but, the consumers they have attracted appear loyal, and don't care about the poor quality, as long as they get satisfaction from what WaPo made for them.


In general, I think a biased agenda driven information system is very dangerous to free people. Information is critical, and that's the reason Dictators and Political Parties take over the media, so they can control the narrative.
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Why am I sure that you believe that conservative media is innocent of this behavior.
 
Roadvirus said:
Unsealing divorce records...sounds like a Dem tactic alright.
Just ask the guy who went up against Obama for Senator before he had to bow out.

Dirty ****ers.
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At least we don't do everything possible to keep folks from voting.
 
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