Trump is doing some good work…reminding Americans who he really is.

[dseag2]

What a shit show! Donnie... your ignorance, lies and racism are showing!

"So in the course of less than 40 minutes, Trump reminded people of his promise to pardon the mob that assaulted police officers during the Jan. 6 attack on the Capitol, threw his own VP candidate under the bus, insulted and attacked a room full of Black journalists to their faces, and said that Kamala Harris is not Black."

 

[Isidore]

The opposite is likely true - people like Susie Wiles and Chris LaCivita probably told him this was a good idea.

I don't think anyone should have assumed this would be a friendly environment for him. Perhaps they overestimate how well he will do in an environment that is less receptive than right wing media. He could likely do better – if he would prepare a little more and try to be be less adversarial. But perhaps the point is to be combative, to play to his base (and not the crowd).

His current campaign is totally clueless. This should've been an easy election for Trump. A competent campaign would've been able to ride the PR from the assassination attempt and play on Kamala's weaknesses given that she's a poor public speaker and had extremely low favorability ratings initially.

RCP has Trump's unfavorables a little higher than Kamala's currently and their favorables about the same. The biggest issue for Trump is that he is well known and also a polarizing figure – which means the vast majority of people have a strong opinion of him already. Less is known about Kamala so she has more undecideds that she can possibly bring on board – whether she will or not remains to be seen. It looks to be another close election – just like the media prefers.

 

[Gozaburo]

RCP has Trump's unfavorables a little higher than Kamala's currently and their favorables about the same. The biggest issue for Trump is that he is well known and also a polarizing figure – which means the vast majority of people have a strong opinion of him already. Less is known about Kamala so she has more undecideds that she can possibly bring on board – whether she will or not remains to be seen. It looks to be another close election – just like the media prefers.

I was referring to her favorability prior to Biden's resignation - it was in the dumpster.

Trump then went on to botch a number of excellent PR opportunities and had a particularly sleepy convention. If this keeps up Kamala is going to win. If he can muster some energy and find some competent campaign staff, I think he's more likely to win.

I don't think anyone should have assumed this would be a friendly environment for him. Perhaps they overestimate how well he will do in an environment that is less receptive than right wing media. He could likely do better – if he would prepare a little more and try to be be less adversarial. But perhaps the point is to be combative, to play to his base (and not the crowd).

I think Republicans are infatuated with the idea of winning over minority voters while still maintaining a conservative platform. They think that, because minority populations tend to be conservative and more traditional in their home lives (ironically) that they could surely win them over. Democrats are smart because they understand that race triumphs over all rhetorically speaking, which is why they win.

 

[Isidore]

You just concentrate on your vote for your reasons and your life. Believe what you choose. Your choice.

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[Pami]

Looks like a line break got inserted into your YouTube link somehow...

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works just fine!

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[Bok Tuklo]

I'm sorry, you're wrong.

Her approval ratings were around 35% at the beginning of the year according to multiple polls including aggregates on 538 which is abysmal. Like really, really bad. Lower than Trump has ever been in the past 2 - 3 years.

Her public speaking is more of a personal opinion, admittedly. Low charisma and not particularly eloquent. We can make fun of Trump's vocabulary, but he's charismatic and magnetic. Particularly in his first 2 campaigns. He's old and slowed down a bit now which - in combination with his laughably bad campaign - is going to give Kamala chance for a W.

You are wrong. Trump isn’t just a little old and slow (charisma is subjective … I have always found him thick, cruel, and malicious). Trump is completely disconnected from reality.

I watched a bit of this grotesque episode today. Anyone who denigrated Biden for his cognitive abilities, or cried crocodile tears over “elder abuse,” and aren’t doing the same with Trump at this point are liars. Either to themselves or others.

 

[Gozaburo]

You are wrong. Trump isn’t just a little old and slow (charisma is subjective … I have always found him thick, cruel, and malicious). Trump is completely disconnected from reality.

I watched a bit of this grotesque episode today. Anyone who denigrated Biden for his cognitive abilities, or cried crocodile tears over “elder abuse,” and aren’t doing the same with Trump at this point are liars. Either to themselves or others.

Idk I've heard this for 8 years now. Meanwhile this random TV personality won one national election, and barely lost another.

Worth a case study that has more substance than "DURRRRR angry white America!" is all I'm saying.

 

[Isidore]

works just fine!

LOL! Yeah, sure...

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[Pami]

I was referring to her favorability prior to Biden's resignation - it was in the dumpster.

Trump then went on to botch a number of excellent PR opportunities and had a particularly sleepy convention. If this keeps up Kamala is going to win. If he can muster some energy and find some competent campaign staff, I think he's more likely to win.


I think Republicans are infatuated with the idea of winning over minority voters while still maintaining a conservative platform. They think that, because minority populations tend to be conservative and more traditional in their home lives (ironically) that they could surely win them over. Democrats are smart because they understand that race triumphs over all rhetorically speaking, which is why they win.

Yes use people. It’s about people. Bringing race into it, just how it will happen. Their choice but people have to vote for the lives. There is a third candidate and that’s what will happen, votes will push there and one of those two will lose that vote.

‘They take us for granted’: Black Americans sound off on misconceptions Democrats have about them

As likely Democratic presidential nominee Kamala Harris tries to gain minority voters' support, Black Trump supporters share what Democrats get wrong about them.

www.foxnews.com

 

[Pami]

Looks like a line break got inserted into your YouTube link somehow...

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[BabaVoss]

Trump gets invited to a Black Woman’s Nation Conference and so was Harris. This was out of line.

? Did someone force him to go?

She also asked in unprofessional attitude manner. Uncalled for.

Surely no one will be unprofessional to him as President. Amiright?

Then asked about DEI. People are using DEI and Trump states blacks jobs…

He was called on his bullshit racist comments. He recently referenced “black jobs”. No one knows that those are.

Poor Donald. So unfair. He should take his marbles and go back to Maralago while he is stilll free to enjoy it.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Idk I've heard this for 8 years now. Meanwhile this random TV personality won one national election, and barely lost another.

Worth a case study that has more substance than "DURRRRR angry white America!" is all I'm saying.

That was an absolute train wreck today.

As far as “case study” on America’s sudden embrace of nihilism, cruelty, and narcissistic rage-joy, I suggest Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business by Neil Postman.

 

[dockside]

Trump gets invited to a Black Woman’s Nation Conference and so was Harris. This was out of line. She also asked in unprofessional attitude manner. Uncalled for. Then asked about DEI. People are using DEI and Trump states blacks jobs… attitude happens but she asks the damn question about blacks. Harris can say black or Hispanic. This was uncalled for. Joe Biden did state … why he asked Harris in 202O to be VP after she calls him a racist on nation wide TV. Biden can state going to school in a jungle. Unreal! Look at the companies that did DEI hires that a massive lay off will happen by end of year. Look it up!
You make it about race and gender your choice.

Huh?

 

[Captain Mars]

Donald Trump Is on a Real Tear of Reminding Everyone How Awful He Is

It remains astonishing what this man will say out loud, in public.

flip.it

This man is truly an awful human being. But I do appreciate him reminding everyone how astoundingly bad he really is.

World class asshole.

He's one weird old man!

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

We can make fun of Trump's vocabulary, but he's charismatic and magnetic.

LOL. He's an ignorant asshole. That is "magnetic" to you?

 

[Dragonfly]

This man is truly an awful human being

Yep.

Best plan going is to keep putting microphones and cameras in front of him.
Just let him keep blabbing incoherent and delusional bullshit.

 

[Gozaburo]

LOL. He's an ignorant asshole. That is "magnetic" to you?

Apparently.

As I’ve said before, he’s won one election, nearly lost one, and might win another. Considering he ran (at least initially) as a total outsider with a reactionary platform, that’s worth a more thorough analysis than “he’s an ignorant asshole!”.

It’s particularly funny that people are so attached to his abrasive personality as-if other politicians don’t sign off daily on foreign policy that results in the death of thousands of innocent children and civilians.

If seething for 8 years and giving surface level takes on political personalities is the depth you find interesting, keep at it.

 

[Bok Tuklo]

Apparently.

As I’ve said before, he’s won one election, nearly lost one, and might win another. Considering he ran (at least initially) as a total outside with a reactionary platform, that’s worth a more thorough analysis than “he’s an ignorant asshole!”.

It’s particularly funny that people are so attached to his abrasive personality as-if other politicians don’t sign off daily on foreign policy that results in the death of thousands of innocent children and civilians.

If seething for 8 years and giving surface level takes on political personalities is the depth you find interesting, keep at it.

If your argument is he is a reflection of Americans, or at least a significant enough minority to effectively take control in our 18th Century system of choosing a leader, I am not inclined to argue. Trump is definitely an avatar for the American id.

 

[HenryChinaski]

The audience was laughing at him.
****ing hysterical.

 

[Gozaburo]

If your argument is he is a reflection of Americans, or at least a significant enough minority to effectively take control in our 18th Century system of choosing a leader, I am not inclined to argue. Trump is definitely an avatar for the American id.

I think Trump, at least in 2016, represented the American repudiation of neoconservatism and global liberalism. It ended up being totally impotent as his staff & cabinet was consequently filled with GOP moderates and neoconservative lifers, but I think the energy of the election is something that will stick around in American politics. There's no obvious contender with the same charisma, marketability, and cult of personality that Trump has that will come from the GOP, which is their number one problem at the moment. I think Trump was disruptive enough that the GOP voting bloc isn't going to vote for establishment types like Lindsay Graham, Romney, etc.

For anyone interested in uprooting the current order, people need to understand that conventional politics are not going to be sufficient. The American bureaucracy is highly effective and infinitely expanding. If Trump ever was an authentic reactionary threat, then he was totally neutered by the time the first year of his presidency was up.

A real change-maker is not going to create change via policy and lawmaking in the current system. They're not going to be popular in Washington. They are not going to be popular in mass media. They are going to need a counter-elite to fund their ascension. They are going to need the buy-in from the people in order to endure the extreme pressure they'll face for trying to disrupt the status quo. I think for these reasons and more, Trump is an interesting case study for people who don't particularly care for the bloated and sclerotic American Republic.

 

[Superfly]

Trump gets invited to a Black Woman’s Nation Conference and so was Harris. This was out of line. She also asked in unprofessional attitude manner. Uncalled for. Then asked about DEI. People are using DEI and Trump states blacks jobs… attitude happens but she asks the damn question about blacks. Harris can say black or Hispanic. This was uncalled for. Joe Biden did state … why he asked Harris in 202O to be VP after she calls him a racist on nation wide TV. Biden can state going to school in a jungle. Unreal! Look at the companies that did DEI hires that a massive lay off will happen by end of year. Look it up!
You make it about race and gender your choice.

Incomprehensible word salad.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

As I’ve said before, he’s won one election, nearly lost one, and might win another.

Well. I guess he "won", with millions fewer votes than his opponent. He has never received more votes than his opponent in any election.

Considering he ran (at least initially) as a total outside with a reactionary platform, that’s worth a more thorough analysis than “he’s an ignorant asshole!”.

True. It also means that a significant chunk of the US population are reactionary ignorant assholes. What more is there to "analyze"? We can analyze how it came to this I guess. I have my own beliefs and theories on that.

It’s particularly funny that people are so attached to his abrasive personality as-if other politicians don’t sign off daily on foreign policy that results in the death of thousands of innocent children and civilians.

"Attached to his abrasive personality".....the guys whole schtick is being an ignorant asshole. He sounds like a complete idiot when he speaks. What does foreign policy and deaths of innocents have to do with anything? "Well, the US foreign policy is one that kills a lot of people.....so therefore the fact that a candidate for POTUS is a complete reprobate is not significant." I have no idea if that was your "point", but it seems like it was. I disagree. Foreign policy and "deaths of innocents" are another topic of discussion.

If seething for 8 years

Huh? "Seething"? LOL. OK.

giving surface level takes on political personalities is the depth you find interesting, keep at it.

There is nothing more there. Its a "surface level take", and there is nothing deeper than that there to contemplate. Unless of course you would like to contemplate the fact that there are actually people in the US that are so ignorant that they see such behavior as not only acceptable, but good and helpful. I guess we can delve into the deeper meanings of that, thats another topic.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

A real change-maker is not going to create change via policy and lawmaking in the current system.

Then they arent going to be making any real lasting "change". Unless maybe if you want to include bring the level of discourse down for the entire nation.

 

[Gozaburo]

"Attached to his abrasive personality".....the guys whole schtick is being an ignorant asshole. He sounds like a complete idiot when he speaks. What does foreign policy and deaths of innocents have to do with anything? "Well, the US foreign policy is one that kills a lot of people.....so therefore the fact that a candidate for POTUS is a complete reprobate is not significant." I have no idea if that was your "point", but it seems like it was. I disagree. Foreign policy and "deaths of innocents" are another topic of discussion.

My point was that if negative character flaws are a measure of a candidates legitimacy, than pretty much every candidate is guilty of some crime internally or a brutal foreign policy. The president of the United States is never going to be a "good" person measured by the same standard we might give to a peasant.

There is nothing more there. Its a "surface level take", and there is nothing deeper than that there to contemplate. Unless of course you would like to contemplate the fact that there are actually people in the US that are so ignorant that they see such behavior as not only acceptable, but good and helpful. I guess we can delve into the deeper meanings of that, thats another topic.

I think there's more to analyze, but you don't have to. As I said, people have been flailing and confused how such a thing could happen (and might again) for 8 years now.