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Trump: I could declassify documents by thinking about it

No.



End of story.

I noticed that you do not dare to address my post because you cannot admit that Trump's (and yours) stupid position of presidents involved in mental declassification leads to either a logical impossibility or to a contradiction regarding the ultimate authority of a sitting president.
Here it is again just because I enjoy watching you run away....

You need to explain if you accept today the claim of the SITTING President whether some of the seized documents are classified or not.

If you claim that you do not accept the sitting president's position, then you need to explain why you choose to accept the claims of a regular citizen who happens to be a FORMER president.

If you accept the sitting president's positions that some of the seized documents are classified AND you also accept Trump's claims that he declassified them, you need to explain how such declassified documents became classified. Did Biden issue a reclassification order? I bet the DOJ can produce affidavits or call witnesses from the Intelligence Community record to show that no such order exists on their records! So, if there is not any such REclassification order, how the hell did these supposedly Declassified documents become classified under Biden?
 
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I noticed that you do not dare to address my post because you cannot admit that Trump's (and yours) stupid position of presidents involved in mental declassification leads to either a logical impossibility or to a contradiction regarding the ultimate authority of a sitting president.
Here it is again just because I enjoy watching you run away....

Some posts are not addressed because...they cant do so. Easier for them to pretend not to see it and so imagine they're never successfully challenged on the Internetz. That's more important to some people than integrity and a constructive discussion.
 
Uh. All this bullshit stems directly from having 30 armed FBI agents ready to kick in his door. Think about that just for a second. 30 armed FBI agents ready to kick in the door of a former President - over some documents.
That would not have occurred had he returned the documents when they asked for them
 
Trump's declaration is so asinine that even his most loyal supporters can't think of a way to spin it in Trump's favor.

Could this finally be the bridge too far? Probably not.
It is correct though. The president is not subject to classification rules. All authority of the executive flows from the office of the president, the president can therefore not be subject to regulation On classification and declassification.
 
And what was the danger here? He's selling the documents to the Russians? WTF? Are the thousands of classified docs in Obama's warehouse safer? Seriously, WFT are we talking about here?
It's the law....why do you think Trump shouldn't have to obey any stinkin' laws?
 
And how does that superseded the President's powers?
What do you find confusing about this sentence; "only designated officials within the DoE may declassify Restricted Data"? Do you see any mention of 'except the POTUS' anywhere in the following? POTUS does not have unlimited powers, no matter how hard you wish, and there are good reasons for restricting his/her authority. Can you think why that might be?

 
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Uh. All this bullshit stems directly from having 30 armed FBI agents ready to kick in his door. Think about that just for a second. 30 armed FBI agents ready to kick in the door of a former President - over some documents.
Yes, classified TOP SECRET (and above), documents which he has no authority, no right, no justification to have removed from a secure government facility to a golf resort. How hard is this to understand?
 
Executive Orders do not apply to subsequent holders of that Office. They are directed at the Executive Branch Administrative officers and agencies.

Each President remains under Article II the ULTMATE AUTHORITY for the Executive Branch while holding Office. No President is required to follow an EO of a prior President. In fact, each person holding the office can simply revoke, or personally ignore prior orders while such continued orders remain applicable to everyone else in the Executive Branch.

Trump could declassify documents at-will while President.

End of story.
No, he could not:
Is there some confusion over, "only designated officials within the DoE may declassify Restricted Data"? Furthermore the Executive Order relating to classified materials is Obama's, was not been amended by the former Trump administration, and clearly outlines the procedures and protocols pertaining to declassification, which Trump completely ignored. End of story.
 
It is correct though. The president is not subject to classification rules. All authority of the executive flows from the office of the president, the president can therefore not be subject to regulation On classification and declassification.
You are wrong. Read, learn:
"ONLY designated officials WITHIN the DoE may declassify Restricted Data". No mention anywhere of 'except the POTUS', unless you can find it.
 
You are wrong. Read, learn:
"ONLY designated officials WITHIN the DoE may declassify Restricted Data". No mention anywhere of 'except the POTUS', unless you can find it.
The president is the designated official of designated officials. No officer of the executive branch can have more authority then the president since the presidency is the source of authority. No law can grant executive branch officers more power then the president. Such a thing is unconstitutional
 
The president is the designated official of designated officials. No officer of the executive branch can have more authority then the president since the presidency is the source of authority. No law can grant executive branch officers more power then the president. Such a thing is unconstitutional
No, he is not; quit inventing fantasies. There are limits placed on presidential powers for good reasons. The law is the law on classification and declassification of some especially sensitive materials, and NO exemptions are mentioned. There are statutory laws, protocols and regulations pertaining to declassifying Restricted Data, and they apply equally to the POTUS as everyone else.
 
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No, he is not; quit inventing fantasies. There are limits placed on presidential powers for good reasons. The law is the law on classification and declassification of some especially sensitive materials, and NO exemptions are mentioned. There are laws, protocols and regulations pertaining to declassifying Restricted Data, and they apply equally to the POTUS as everyone else.
This link is based on faulty analysis.

No law can constitutionally create executive officers with more power then the president. This would be unconstitutional.

Congress cannot create this limitation on the president. It violates seperation of powers. Also there’s no evidence I see that Congress ever intended to limit the president. And if this theory is ever tested in the Supreme Court it will be struck down as unconstitutional. As Congress cannot create super officers in the executive with more power then the president himself.

Any law that says such a thing is illegitimate and not a law by default
 
This link is based on faulty analysis.

No law can constitutionally create executive officers with more power then the president. This would be unconstitutional.

Congress cannot create this limitation on the president. It violates seperation of powers. Also there’s no evidence I see that Congress ever intended to limit the president. And if this theory is ever tested in the Supreme Court it will be struck down as unconstitutional. As Congress cannot create super officers in the executive with more power then the president himself.

Any law that says such a thing is illegitimate and not a law by default
You are wrong, again. The law is the law, whether you like it or not, and I cited it.
1045.4 (b) (3), and (c) (3) below:
 
You are wrong, again. The law is the law, whether you like it or not, and I cited it.
1045.4 (b) (3), and (c) (3) below:
To the extent it’s applied against the president it’s unconstitutional. Congress cannot limit presidential authority to be beneath that of other executive officials. You cannot cite anywhere where that authority is granted Congress, nor does any clause in article 2 place any executive officer as having authority over the president.

In addition to being blatantly unconstitutional on its face your argument requires the belief that the president, elected by the people, can be subjugated by unelected officials not subject to impeachment within the civil service. Such a thing is ludicrous on its face.
 
To the extent it’s applied against the president it’s unconstitutional. Congress cannot limit presidential authority to be beneath that of other executive officials. You cannot cite anywhere where that authority is granted Congress, nor does any clause in article 2 place any executive officer as having authority over the president.

In addition to being blatantly unconstitutional on its face your argument requires the belief that the president, elected by the people, can be subjugated by unelected officials not subject to impeachment within the civil service. Such a thing is ludicrous on its face.
The President cannot declare war without the approval of Congress. So there's that. What you believe is 'ludicrous' is written into law. A POTUS cannot make laws or change them; only Congress can. That's democracy, not your preferred dictatorship. Go argue with the law.
 
The President cannot declare war without the approval of Congress. So there's that.
The constitution does not actually explicitly say that. It does however list declaration of war as a power of Congress. So in any event that is listed directly in the constitution. That is not a usurpation of power by the Congress. Nor does it involve making the president subservient to civil service officers.
What you believe is 'ludicrous' is written into law.
There are many laws that are not constitutional that get past all the time. That is why the Supreme Court hears like 20 cases a year.
A POTUS cannot make laws or change them; only Congress can.
This is not a dispute. The president doesn’t have to change the law you’ve cited, because it is inherently invalid.
That's democracy, not your preferred dictatorship. Go argue with the law.
You are so desperate to defend what you know is an indefensible position that you are resorting to personal attacks against me. To be expected
 
The constitution does not actually explicitly say that. It does however list declaration of war as a power of Congress. So in any event that is listed directly in the constitution. That is not a usurpation of power by the Congress. Nor does it involve making the president subservient to civil service officers.

There are many laws that are not constitutional that get past all the time. That is why the Supreme Court hears like 20 cases a year.

This is not a dispute. The president doesn’t have to change the law you’ve cited, because it is inherently invalid.

You are so desperate to defend what you know is an indefensible position that you are resorting to personal attacks against me. To be expected
Your opinion on settled law is noted. I have not attacked you in any way, neither personally nor otherwise. I simply repeated what you have told the forum; that you support authoritarian regimes and dictatorship-you staunchly defended Pinochet, for example.
 
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It is correct though. The president is not subject to classification rules. All authority of the executive flows from the office of the president, the president can therefore not be subject to regulation On classification and declassification.
Presidential records and classified documents are property of the US government and should not be stored in a private residence. Do you agree or disagree?
 
Your opinion on settled law is noted. I have not attacked you in any way, neither personally nor otherwise. I simply repeated what you have told the forum; that you support authoritarian regimes and dictatorship-you staunchly defended Pinochet, for example.
What settled law says that Congress can create executive officer is more powerful than the president? Absent a constitutional amendment. There is no such law
 
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