The EO is directed at agencies and individuals that are subordinate to the President. The President can follow the procedures outlined in the EO...if he wants to...but he doesn't have to. And THAT is what Trump has consistently said. Furthermore, court rulings support what he says.
Trump has never said that he is bound by the EO.
You literally believe a president can say, 18 months later, that he merely thought about declassifying the documents 18 months ago, even if he didn't think that and is lying his ass off.
Hoo boy, pass the lobotomizer...
Utter nonsense, because,Personal attacks don't win any arguments.
No! YOU are the one who keep saying that.
I am "literally saying" that by a President ACTING like a document has been declassified makes it declassified.
For example, talking about the information to persons without clearance, or announcing the information in public.
In this case as simply as saying to someone, "Pack these documents up, I intend to use them for... (publishing in a book, legal action against so and so, evidence of misconduct in the DOJ), etc."
If I dealt in ad hominin as readily as YOU do, I could turn this silly comment back on you.
However, I don't do that kind of thing.
So, I'll rest my case as it is getting monotonously boring responding to you.
I am "literally saying" that by a President ACTING like a document has been declassified makes it declassified.
There's no "Deep state", give it a rest bro.I wouldn’t expect Bill Barr to say anything else, the guy has spent his entire career in the deep state.
I can’t help that you deny realityThere's no "Deep state", give it a rest bro.
Count how many shits I don't give about what that ignorant moron Trump said. There are processes, protocols and paper-trails attached to the declassification process enshrined in law; never mind the storage and handling of very sensitive materials. Trump ignored them all for reasons best known to himself.SO, you are saying that the Director of Classification at the DoE has the power to overrule the President? If not, then what mechanism is stopping him from declassifying items?
BTW, this is what Trump said...
“There doesn’t have to be a process, as I understand it,” Trump said. “You’re the president of the United States, you can declassify just by saying it’s declassified, even by thinking about it.”
Pressed further, Trump insisted he had declassified the documents in question when he left the White House, again without pointing to proof of such.
“In other words, when I left the White House, they were declassified,” Trump said.
Can you identify the major players in your 'deep state'?I can’t help that you deny reality
The EO specific to sensitive and secret materials is the one issued by Obama, and it was not amended by Trump. It clearly outlines the processes which must be adhered to when classifying or declassifying materials. Where in the EO does it categorically exempt the POTUS? It doesn't.EO's apply to subordinates...not to the guy issuing the EO.
Read it...it is directed only toward agencies and individuals. Not to the President.
That EO clearly outlines the processes which must be adhered to...by executive branch agencies and individuals. The EO doesn't HAVE to exempt the President. He is exempt by the nature of his position.The EO specific to sensitive and secret materials is the one issued by Obama, and it was not amended by Trump. It clearly outlines the processes which must be adhered to when classifying or declassifying materials. Where in the EO does it categorically exempt the POTUS? It doesn't.
Nonsense; that's as dumb as the POTUS thinking about declassifying and claiming that's all that is needed. Nowhere does it state that a POTUS is exempt; not in law, not in declassification statutes, not in the Constitution. Only in Trump's mind.That EO clearly outlines the processes which must be adhered to...by executive branch agencies and individuals. The EO doesn't HAVE to exempt the President. He is exempt by the nature of his position.
I provided a link, in this and other threads on the subject. You're a big boy, open the link (unless you're scared), you don't need anyone holding your hand. Pay more attention so I don't have to keep educating you.Did you provide the salient excerpt?
Regardless your uninformed opinion, what I said is fact.Nonsense; that's as dumb as the POTUS thinking about declassifying and claiming that's all that is needed. Nowhere does it state that a POTUS is exempt; not in law, not in declassification statutes, not in the Constitution. Only in Trump's mind.
More garbage. No president has the authority to unilaterally declare anything declassified-especially any materials pertaining to nuclear secrets which come under the purview of the DoE and entirely separate legislation. ONLY the Director of Classification at the DoE is empowered to so do. Trump's febrile imagination does not nullify the law, and he cannot change it to suit his purpose. The law is clear and unambiguous:Regardless your uninformed opinion, what I said is fact.
The president’s classification and declassification powers are broadExperts agreed that the president, as commander in chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When people lower in the chain of command handle classification and declassification duties — which is usually how it’s done — it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan — which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance — addresses this line of authority."The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."The official documents governing classification and declassification stem from executive orders. But even these executive orders aren’t necessarily binding on the president. The president is not "obliged to follow any procedures other than those that he himself has prescribed," Aftergood said. "And he can change those."Indeed, the controlling executive order has been rewritten by multiple presidents. The current version of the order was issued by President Barack Obama in 2009.The national-security experts at the blog Lawfare wrote in the wake of the Post’s revelation that the "infamous comment" by President Richard Nixon — that "when the president does it, that means that it is not illegal" — "is actually true about some things. Classified information is one of them. The nature of the system is that the president gets to disclose what he wants."www.politifact.com/factchecks/2017/may/16/james-risch/does-president-have-ability-declassify-anything-an/https://webcams-ip.com/script-29-09-2022-1/https://webcams-ip.com/script-29-09-2022-1/
Good for the goose, good for the gander...That EO clearly outlines the processes which must be adhered to...by executive branch agencies and individuals. The EO doesn't HAVE to exempt the President. He is exempt by the nature of his position.
None of these processes apply to the president himself.Count how many shits I don't give about what that ignorant moron Trump said. There are processes, protocols and paper-trails attached to the declassification process enshrined in law; never mind the storage and handling of very sensitive materials. Trump ignored them all for reasons best known to himself.
I don’t think you really understand what a deep state is.Can you identify the major players in your 'deep state'?
Regardless what someone on twitter says, a President is NOT bound by an EO.
Explain what a "deep state" is. That's the only way to determine as to whether, or not, he ( or anyone else ) "understands what a deep state is."I don’t think you really understand what a deep state is.
You’re conversing with an individual that thinks a man should be able to rape his wife.Explain what a "deep state" is. That's the only way to determine as to whether, or not, he ( or anyone else ) "understands what a deep state is."
Regardless your uninformed opinion, what I said is fact.
The president’s classification and declassification powers are broadExperts agreed that the president, as commander in chief, is ultimately responsible for classification and declassification. When people lower in the chain of command handle classification and declassification duties — which is usually how it’s done — it’s because they have been delegated to do so by the president directly, or by an appointee chosen by the president.The majority ruling in the 1988 Supreme Court case Department of Navy vs. Egan — which addressed the legal recourse of a Navy employee who had been denied a security clearance — addresses this line of authority."The President, after all, is the ‘Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States’" according to Article II of the Constitution, the court’s majority wrote. "His authority to classify and control access to information bearing on national security ... flows primarily from this constitutional investment of power in the President, and exists quite apart from any explicit congressional grant."Steven Aftergood, director of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy, said that such authority gives the president the authority to "classify and declassify at will."In fact, Robert F. Turner, associate director of the University of Virginia's Center for National Security Law, said that "if Congress were to enact a statute seeking to limit the president’s authority to classify or declassify national security information, or to prohibit him from sharing certain kinds of information with Russia, it would raise serious separation of powers constitutional issues."-snip-
Regardless what someone on twitter says, a President is NOT bound by an EO.
And clearly neither do you. So, humour me and explain, if you can, with links to the key players, what they're doing and how that might affect me, personally. Thanks.I don’t think you really understand what a deep state is.
Show me where the exemption is.None of these processes apply to the president himself.
Coal, fossils, fossil fuel, rough diamonds, all in a deep state.And clearly neither do you. So, humour me and explain, if you can.
Says who?Regardless what someone on twitter says, a President is NOT bound by an EO.
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