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Trump: I could declassify documents by thinking about it

:ROFLMAO:


Did you just try to use the link Paradoxical use with judge Jackson?

Do you suppose a double-locked room at Trump's guarded residence is better than some warehouse that Obama left his at, and to which he had unfettered access?
 

If Bill Leonard says it, that settles it. Why go through all this legal stuff?

Bill Leonard!! Why didn't you tell us all about this revelation much soonert?
 
Do you suppose a double-locked room at Trump's guarded residence is better than some warehouse that Obama left his at, and to which he had unfettered access?

First of all you quote a post which is irrelevant to your comment

Second, there was not any lock until the FBi told Trump to install one

Third, there were classified documents in Trump's office which was easily accessible to people, including foreigners who visited him there and took photos right inside his office

Fourth, security compartments for storing highly classified documents are not created by simply installing a lock on a door.

Fifth. Rawley is still running away after it was shown to him that Obama's classified documents were stored in a security compartment. His attempt to ignore me did not work out because another poster read my post and transferred to him the facts he wanted to ignore.
 
From Trump's court filing to his handpicked judge,
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"The Government does not contest—indeed, it concedes—that the President has broad authority governing classification of, and access to, classified documents. [ECF No. 69 at 10, 18 (quoting Dep’t of Navy v. Egan, 484 U.S. 518, 529 (1988))]. In fact, the Government advocates that “the protection of classified information must be committed to the broad discretion of the agency responsible, and this must include broad discretion to determine who may have access to it.” [ECF No. 69 at 18 (quoting Egan, 484 U.S. at 529)]. Congress provided certain parameters for controlling classified information but primarily delegated to the President how to regulate classified information. 50 U.S.C. § 3161. At the same time, Congress exempted the President from complying with such requirements. See id. § 3163 (“Except as otherwise specifically provided, the provisions of this subchapter shall not apply to the President . . .”).

President Obama enacted the current Executive Order prescribing the parameters for controlling classified information in 2009. See Exec. Order 13526 (Dec. 29, 2009). That Executive Order, which controlled during President Trump’s term in office, designates the President as an original classification authority. See id. § 1.3(a)(1). In turn, the Executive Order grants authority to declassify information to either the official who originally classified the information or that individual’s supervisors—necessarily including the President. § 3.1(b)(1), (3). Thus, assuming the Executive Order could even apply to constrain a President, cf. 50 U.S.C. § 3163, the President enjoys absolute authority under the Executive Order to declassify any information. There is no legitimate contention that the Chief Executive’s declassification of documents requires approval of bureaucratic components of the executive branch. Yet, the Government apparently contends that President Trump, who had full authority to declassify documents, “willfully” retained classified information in violation of the law. See 18 U.S.C. § 793(e); [ECF No. 69 at 9].7 Moreover, the Government seeks to preclude any opportunity for consideration of this issue.

7 Of course, classified or declassified, the documents remain either Presidential records or personal records under the PRA. .."

Trump is not POTUS,


"..Sec. 4.4. Access by Historical Researchers and Certain Former Government Personnel.

(a) The requirement in section 4.1(a)(3) of this order that access to classified information may be granted only to individuals who have a need to-know the information may be waived for persons who:

(1) are engaged in historical research projects;

(2) previously have occupied senior policy-making positions to which they were appointed or designated by the President or the Vice President; or

(3) served as President or Vice President.

(b) Waivers under this section may be granted only if the agency head or senior agency official of the originating agency:

(1) determines in writing that access is consistent with the interest of the national security;

(2) takes appropriate steps to protect classified information from unauthorized disclosure or compromise, and ensures that the information is safeguarded in a manner consistent with this order; and

(3) limits the access granted to former Presidential appointees or designees and Vice Presidential appointees or designees to items that the person originated, reviewed, signed, or received while serving as a Presidential or Vice Presidential appointee or designee. .."
And? What's your point?
 
Huh, The Donald didnt find Twitter useless, he used it all the time...I cant believe you actually disagree with your lord and master on something. He was quite upset at losing his tweeting privileges.
Deflection noted...and dismissed.
 
And? What's your point?

That you were clueless when you tried to argue that he got this point from some guy in twitter.

Is that all you have? Someone on twitter who doesn't say what you think he says?


He showed to you that this point comes from Trump's lawyers in their filings. You try to support Trump without even having a clue of what his lawyers have filed in court!
 
Are you trying to win an argument by simply making a claim?

You are very lazy if this is how you want to debate the issue.

Keeping the "issue" simple and not drifting off in the weeds is not "lazy".

Do you know the new Supreme Court Judge, the one who thinks a person has to be a biologist to know what a woman is? Yes that one. Well in a similar case involving Bill Clinton she ruled that: Declassifying documents is the full discretion of the president. there are no procedures that they have to follow or anyone that they have to report to. That Bill Clinton boxed up and took those documents with him made them "declassified".

Declassification procedures that other people have to follow often ends with a presidents approval, but is not something that they ever themselves have to follow.
 
It’s a link to a bing search. Yes, he was searching judge Jackson. 🙄

I know!

I just demonstrated to all the members of this forum how I can control the inferior minds of uneducated MAGA supporters.
 
Amusing to see the tribal mentality on display here every day. I am almost embarrassed at how wrong the left is. I hoped humanity would evolve past the days of putting on paint and feathers and whooping it up around a campfire preparing to sleigh their enemies. Sadly, some humans just aren't there yet <sigh>
Well I am definitely embarrassed at your inability to make a case or refute any evidence presented that contradicts your beliefs. Also I am disappointed but not surprised that you are deflecting with group ad hominem attacks.
 
Keeping the "issue" simple and not drifting off in the weeds is not "lazy".

Do you know the new Supreme Court Judge, the one who thinks a person has to be a biologist to know what a woman is? Yes that one. Well in a similar case involving Bill Clinton she ruled that: Declassifying documents is the full discretion of the president. there are no procedures that they have to follow or anyone that they have to report to. That Bill Clinton boxed up and took those documents with him made them "declassified".

Declassification procedures that other people have to follow often ends with a presidents approval, but is not something that they ever themselves have to follow.

Not interested in your distractions.

You need to read my responses to Paradoxical who tried to cite the same legal case to support Trump's claim. As long as you do not bother to dispute my counterpoints, they still stand
 
First of all you quote a post which is irrelevant to your comment

Second, there was not any lock until the FBi told Trump to install one

Third, there were classified documents in Trump's office which was easily accessible to people, including foreigners who visited him there and took photos right inside his office

Fourth, security compartments for storing highly classified documents are not created by simply installing a lock on a door.

Fifth. Rawley is still running away after it was shown to him that Obama's classified documents were stored in a security compartment. His attempt to ignore me did not work out because another poster read my post and transferred to him the facts he wanted to ignore.


It almost sounds like a scene from an Indiana Jones movie: a dusty warehouse. The smell of must permeating the air. The only sound the scurrying of the occasional rat. And entombed within it, thousands of boxes upon boxes, practically stamped “TOP SECRET.”

But this is no flight of Hollywood fantasy. It is the reality of what remains of the Barack Obama presidency: Twenty truckloads of crates, kept in a space that formerly housed the inventory of Plunkett Furniture, containing roughly thirty million documents generated during the eight years of Obama’s time in the Oval Office.
So for at least a year beyond his presidency, Barack Obama, through his foundation, held classified records, with the possibility that such material is still in storage. And, he may be doing so with the full knowledge of the National Archives.


I have researched this and don't see where they required double locks, armed guards or that Obama or someone he designated couldn't just go in there whenever they wanted without any appointment and just remove classified documents. They like Obama over there. Go figure, eh? A government agency loves a Democrat and hates Trump. Whooda think?
 
Well, if you can change your gender just by thinking about it why not a document classification?
 
Deflection noted...and dismissed.

It immediately relates to your post...I'm sorry you were unable to understand that. The rest of us could clearly see that while you dismiss Twitter, The Donald found it valuable and used it extensively to communicate with his followers.

Did you read his Tweets? Were they garbage or of value to you? (The rest of us notwithstanding) Yes or no?

Have you accepted his Tweets (in the past) as reliable sources? Yes or no?
 
Dipshits saying shit in twitter means nothing. see #1633
When they have nothing they resort to quoting dipshits. Next thing you know they'll dredge up Lawrence Tribe of Don Lemon or maybe even Joy Reid for some gem of a quote.
 
Dipshits saying shit in twitter means nothing. see #1633
The former head of ISOO is apparently a "dipshit" because he doesn't support the desperate narrative of some blathering guy on a message board with no education or experience on any related field. (That's you)

Seems legit.
 


It almost sounds like a scene from an Indiana Jones movie: a dusty warehouse. The smell of must permeating the air. The only sound the scurrying of the occasional rat. And entombed within it, thousands of boxes upon boxes, practically stamped “TOP SECRET.”

But this is no flight of Hollywood fantasy. It is the reality of what remains of the Barack Obama presidency: Twenty truckloads of crates, kept in a space that formerly housed the inventory of Plunkett Furniture, containing roughly thirty million documents generated during the eight years of Obama’s time in the Oval Office.
So for at least a year beyond his presidency, Barack Obama, through his foundation, held classified records, with the possibility that such material is still in storage. And, he may be doing so with the full knowledge of the National Archives.


I have researched this and don't see where they required double locks, armed guards or that Obama or someone he designated couldn't just go in there whenever they wanted without any appointment and just remove classified documents. They like Obama over there. Go figure, eh? A government agency loves a Democrat and hates Trump. Whooda think?

Rawley, the guy who is not looking at this thread without daring to make comments tried to use the same info to argue that Obama supposedly stored classified documents in an unsecured facility. I called his bs by presenting the facts but he chose to ignore me and continued to support the same nonsesne. Thankfully, another poster read my post, informed him abiout the facts I presented, and Rawlay has disappeared since them/

The post I am talking about is this and you can see the official response from NARA which destroys your (and Rawley's) narrative.


Feel free to face the facts instead of repeating debunked claims or alternatively, see if you can convince Rawley to come back here and actually post a response instead of observing this thread without posting any reply
 
Not interested in your distractions.

You need to read my responses to Paradoxical who tried to cite the same legal case to support Trump's claim. As long as you do not bother to dispute my counterpoints, they still stand
Twitter opinions are not counterpoints
 
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It wasn't an insistence, it was a possibility. Adults adapt as new information is pointed out.

Something I previously forgot about was the fact that (a) not only were the records turned over to the NARA at the end of Obama's term, but that (b) the NARA was responsibile for storing classified documents in the Chicago are facility that they had leased and that the storage of classified documents was within secure storage requirements. It was later that the classified documents (IIRC) of about 250,000 documents were later transferred back to another NARA facility.

So to review...

#1 Did Obama turn over documents to the NARA at the end of his term? Yes.

#2 Did the NARA assume reponsibility for all documents (unclassified and classified)? Yes.

#3 Were classified documents stored in the Chicago area facility in approved methods for storing classified documents? Yes.

#4 Were the classified documents later transferred to the Washington D.C. area? I believe so.

WW
Obama had access, No cameras. Russian operatives could have gotten in there easily. The NRA only acquired the facility. There were no records kept as to who went in there and as I said Obama had unfettered access because he was supposed to digitize the records, which STILL hasn't been done. For all I know, Obama has stolen all classified material there and selling it to the highest bidders.

Assume responsibility means diddly when Obama can go in and out at will.

Why are you struggling mightily with this topic?
 
Twitter opinions are not counterpoints

I did not post anything from twitter. In fact, I am old school and I do not have a twitter account!

You just demonstrated that you are too f**ing lazy to read what I posted, and you simply want to dismiss something you have not even read

You have the typical attitude of a dishonest hack
 
Well I am definitely embarrassed at your inability to make a case or refute any evidence presented that contradicts your beliefs. Also I am disappointed but not surprised that you are deflecting with group ad hominem attacks.
I cited the case for you that Fitton was involved with. Sorry, you appear to not be able to understand legal type language.
 
The former head of ISOO is apparently a "dipshit" because he doesn't support the desperate narrative of some blathering guy on a message board with no education or experience on any related field. (That's you)

Seems legit.
I will take case law over the opinion of a retired Swamp Bureaucrat (dipshit) any day
 
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