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Trump goes off script, and white supremacists cheer

Fruityfact said:
I feel like thread title should be edited to: Trump goes off script, white supremacists cheer, and many republicans defend.
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HE DID say he could murder someone on Park Avenue and still get elected.

It says a hell of a lot about the "Real" America...maybe not all of you are racists, but enough that I'd like to close the ****ing border. These days Canada worries more about Americans coming than they do Muslims.
 
Tangmo said:
Demanding a poster retract his opinion and belief is Gestapo.

Doing it repeatedly is insane.

Carry on.
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Where did you state it was your opinion/belief?

You made a claim.

Example:
Tangmo said:
Trump is obsessive compulsive to support Nazis while only criticizing opponents of American Nazism. Trump's most eager and enthusiastic supporters are Americans who are Nazis. Trump both excites and clears the roads to American Nazis to act out their vile fascism.
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Who did he criticize? Both sides. Who did you CLAIM he criticized?
 
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Tangmo said:
You are saying a person is lying.

You have made the accusation numerous times and unceasingly.

I've asked you to quit the goosesteping of accusing a poster of being a liar.
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Did he or did he not clearly criticize both groups?

Yes.

Did you or did you not state he criticized only one group?

Yes.

You lied.
 
Well dons dad was a kkkmember?
Both wouldn't rent to blacks
His cult love it though
 
Fledermaus said:
More hyperbolic nonsense.

Please share.

When did Trump encourage Nazis to march throughout the land?
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He suggests that some Nazis are good people. And this is your concern?
 
Fruityfact said:
I feel like thread title should be edited to: Trump goes off script, white supremacists cheer, and many republicans defend.
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Well taken.

I would rewrite the thread title along the line of: Unhinged Trump Goes Off Rocker In Meltdown.

But that's just me. :cool:
 
Captain Adverse said:
Just a point of information.

Your side has been using the "whataboutism" tool over and over again in these ongoing debates between your ideological stance and your opponents.

I find it funny when the pots call the kettles black. :coffeepap:
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I don't understand why anybody would care what the white supremacists say no matter what it is.

I mean this OP just posted a whole thread about what they said.
 
Cardinal said:
The thread is about Trump's relationship with White Supremacist groups, their place within the Republican party, and I would like to focus on this problem in a way that addresses the tribalism this topic engenders.
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You see a relationship Trump has with these groups?
 
Fearandloathing said:
This is not all that complex people.

From the article:


No one can claim to be "peaceful" when you show up with rifles. They came armed to the teeth for a reason and it isn't because their 90 lb weaklings. I don't know if there has ever been a left wing demonstration where the participants brought rifles.

In the country I want thew people who show up at a demonstration with rifles or any firearm go to jail.

Don't ANYONE try to tell me there was 'peace' on the part of the haters. They came to hate, with guns and people died as a result of right wing terrorism.
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That's a leap. People showed up, exercising their legal rights and someone died as a result of someone with a gun??? I thought the only death involved was due to an assault vehicle. Who got shot?
 
justabubba said:
come on people
he got a hair cut
nothing about that says "nazi"
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Most of the boys in my sons school have their hair cut like that.

I think it looks stupid but they want it that way.
 
Mason66 said:
I don't understand why anybody would care what the white supremacists say no matter what it is.

I mean this OP just posted a whole thread about what they said.
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I wasn't there and am struggling to understand to what the protests were really for. For example, why would a nazi give two hoots in Hades what Confederate monuments are taken down for? Other than race, there is no commonality between nazis and Confederates.

Be that as it may, if you don't care anything about what they said, why comment on it? If they had been advocating illegal or violent activity, they would have been arrested. I'll answer your question as did a founding father, but I'll bet you still won't get it:

"He that would make his own liberty secure, must guard even his enemy from oppression; for if he violates this duty, he establishes a precedent that will reach to himself." Thomas Paine
 
FWIW...

Of course white supremacists (sic) cheer when Donald Trump shows up or speaks about them. This is especially true of the nazi factions. Think about it:

* Neo nazis dusted off David Duke's old "Border Watch" program from the 1970s

* The neo-nazis then founded the so called "Minutemen" and began lobbying Congress with their anti immigrant agenda

* In February of 2016 Donald Trump lied and claimed to not know David Duke. When that was proven to be a lie, Trump had to acknowledge it and then he said he disavowed David Duke in March

* Trump's signature campaign promise was to fulfill the platform that was put before him by the Minutemen, who were / are neo nazis (BTW, not Klan, not alt right, not white nationalists, but nazis)

* All the top Democrat leadership knew all the above. They knew every bit of it. They could not condemn it because they suggested it first. Bill Clinton was anti-immigrant before it was dumped into the hands of the Republicans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omfCBNVWwzI

* Both sides rail against racism, but they BOTH see the people from south of the border as being a race and both sides want them gone. Both sides would like to claim credit for the nutty wall idea and mass deportations. Otherwise, the Democrat leadership would have spoken out rather than to leave me to point out the obvious

* It would be inconsistent for Trump to now backpedal on this issue. He was proven a liar over David Duke. Trump now has to throw Steve Bannon under the bus - you see Bannon was named by the National Alliance as the Caucasian of the Year:

National White Alliance Names Steve Bannon ?Caucasian of the Year? – The Business Standard News

Bannon has been cozy with the National Alliance for many years - and now Trump is lying about when they met:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/12/us/politics/trump-steven-bannon-fox-business-news-interview.html

The Democrat leadership has known about this but, FAILED to inform their supporters and act accordingly...

* David Duke used to be a featured speaker over at the National Alliance.

Trump is indebted to the neo-nazis for his campaign signature issue. IF he disavows them, he not only discredits himself, but risks losing support for the nutty wall idea - that was a Democrat supported issue before the Republicans got conned into supporting it.

Trump could opt for more viable solutions; however, he knows - as most of you know that the U.S. supports even genocide to get rid of those who are here from south of the border. THAT and THAT alone is why Trump will continue to get his way. He'll build the silly wall and all of this will be forgotten - not even mentioned by the Democrats. Trump plans on crowing about it when he's reelected. All those other phony pretexts that everybody tries to use in the immigration discussion are so much pious cant so as to be devoid of any real meaning.

So, sit back and enjoy the show. As soon as the little brown people from south of the border and their American children are gone, the neo-nazis will fade back into obscurity.
 
Mason66 said:
I don't understand why anybody would care what the white supremacists say no matter what it is.
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MSM cares because it plays very well to their libcommie agenda. Far left violence against Republican conservative free speech gets no space because the MSM is far left. Trump is trying to make Republican America great again by bringing back the culture that created civilization on earth, saved it through two world wars, policed it after the wars, and holds 70% of the entire world's medical patents. If fringe right is racist and fringe left is communist so what? This is a distraction from the central issue which is about saving civilization on earth by saving Republican America , the last best hope for freedom on earth.
 
Khayembii Communique said:
Charlottesville Grants 2 Permits for Counterprotests of Unite th - NBC29 WVIR Charlottesville, VA News, Sports and Weather
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In my defense, the "Nightly News" did not call Trump on that when he made the statement that the counter-protesters did not have a permit.

It's pretty stupid for the government to issue permits for both views in the same place on the same day.

Where I live, we had a much bigger example of the same situation. In 1987 the blacks would protest and the next week, the whites would. Never were both sides issued permits for the same location on the same date.

It appears that if this is the case, the local government should be held accountable. When they had marches like that here, the governor called out the National Guard and, to my knowledge, after the initial protests when rocks, bottles, etc. came into play, the government learned its lesson and used sufficient manpower to keep competing groups separated. It was so safe during the last protests that people were comfortable bringing their children in strollers to hear the white activists.
 
Fledermaus said:
Your OPINION is noted.

Where did Trump encourage Nazis to march throughout the land?
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"We are fulfilling Donald Trump's promises." - David Duke
 
When Thomas Jefferson was governor of Virginia he founded the University of Virginia which is where the American Nazis and KKK held their malicious demolition derby.

All men are created equal


President George H.W. Bush & George W. Bush released a joint statement on Wednesday, denouncing racism, anti-Semitism and hatred after the events that took place in Charlottesville, Virginia.

“America must always reject racial bigotry, anti-Semitism, and hatred in all forms. As we pray for Charlottesville, we are reminded of the fundamental truths recorded by that city’s most prominent citizen in the Declaration of Independence: we are all created equal and endowed by our Creator with unalienable rights. We know these truths to be everlasting because we have seen the decency and greatness of our country.”



House Speaker Paul Ryan tweeted: "We must be clear. White supremacy is repulsive. This bigotry is counter to all this country stands for. There can be no moral ambiguity."

Sen. Marco Rubio was more direct. In a lengthy Twitter thread, the Florida Republican said the organizers of the "Unite the Right rally" were 100% to blame for the violence

Rep. Kevin McCarthy, the Republican House majority leader, tweeted that "Saturday's violence and tragic loss of life was a direct consequence of the hateful rhetoric and action from white supremacists demonstrating."

"They do not reflect the ideals enshrined in our Constitution," he continued.


Virginia Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Democrat who has repeatedly condemned those who gathered at the rally, responded in a strongly worded statement that "this was not both sides."

“Neo-Nazis, Klansmen and white supremacists came to Charlottesville heavily armed, spewing hatred and looking for a fight. One of them murdered a young woman in an act of domestic terrorism, and two of our finest officers were killed in a tragic accident while serving to protect this community," McAuliffe said, adding that "we need real leadership, starting with our president."


Virginia Rep. Gerry Connolly tweeted, "Neo-nazis, alt-right, white supremacists are BAD."

“There is no ambiguity here, Mr. President,” Connolly, a Democrat, said. “At least one person agrees with you Mr. Trump: Klaner David Duke. Hope you can sleep tonight.”

Virginia Sen. Mark Warner tweeted that there are "no words" and called Trump's response "hypocrisy."

"The hypocrisy," the Democratic senator told CNN. "Trump, who constantly challenged President Obama for not saying the phrase 'Islamic terrorism,' is unwilling to use that same standard."\



Mitt Romney, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee, also pushed back against Trump's "both sides" defense, tweeting, "One side is racist, bigoted, Nazi. The other opposes racism and bigotry. Morally different universes."

And former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush urged Trump to take a stronger stand.

"I urge President Trump to unite the country, not parse the assignment of blame for the events in Charlottesville," the former Republican presidential candidate said in a statement. "For the sake of our country, he must leave no room for doubt that racism and hatred will not be tolerated or ignored by his White House."



Ohio Gov. John Kasich chimed in with his own statement, tweeting, "Let's get real."

"There is no moral equivalency to Nazi sympathizers," the Republican governor said in his statement. "There can be no room in America — or The Republican party — for racism, anti-Semitism, hate, or white nationalism. Period."


Sen. Bernie Sanders tweeted, "President Trump. You are embarrassing our country and the millions of Americans who fought and died to defeat Nazism."

"When David Duke and white supremacists cheer your remarks, you're doing it very very wrong," Democratic Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said pointedly in a statement.

Former Rep. John Dingell, a Democrat who fought in World War II, blasted the comments: "President Trump just referred to a group of violent white nationalists, supremacists, segregationists, and neo-Nazis as 'very fine people.'"

https://www.buzzfeed.com/briannasac...te-nationalism?utm_term=.rtmQGrYrL#.fuzeyB7B1


Looks pretty and rightfully one sided from over here.


Unanimously (excepting a certain number of posts to the thread from the faaarr right).
 
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