Trump explains why were abandoning Crimea to Russia (3 Viewers)

[j brown's body]

12-D chess going on here folks.

 

[Lursa]

12-D chess going on here folks.

Summary? Quotes?

 

[Tigerace117]

12-D chess going on here folks.

The last few years of war have resulted in the Ukrainians not being even remotely close to being able to try and take Crimea.

The bulk of the people there aren’t interested in being part of Ukraine.

Recognizing reality is something the US should be doing more of.

 

[j brown's body]

The last few years of war have resulted in the Ukrainians not being even remotely close to being able to try and take Crimea.

The bulk of the people there aren’t interested in being part of Ukraine.

Recognizing reality is something the US should be doing more of.

Not the topic of the thread, but thanks for participating.

 

[Tigerace117]

Not the topic of the thread, but thanks for participating.

Oh really? The fact the Ukrainians aren’t anywhere near capable of retaking Crimea, and the bulk of Crimeans don’t want to be a part of Ukraine at this point, doesn’t reflect in America’s decision making?

According to who?

 

[j brown's body]

Oh really? The fact the Ukrainians aren’t anywhere near capable of retaking Crimea, and the bulk of Crimeans don’t want to be a part of Ukraine at this point, doesn’t reflect in America’s decision making?

According tlandlord.

What did you think of Trump's explanation for why were abandoning Crimea?

 

[Tigerace117]

What did you think of Trump's explanation for why were abandoning Crimea?

I think he’s not particularly eloquent.....and that doesn’t change the facts on the ground.

 

[j brown's body]

I think he’s not particularly eloquent.....and that doesn’t change the facts on the ground.

What did you think of his reason?

 

[Tigerace117]

What did you think of his reason?

I just answered that. Not eloquent, but it doesn’t change the basic facts on the ground motivating said decision.

 

[j brown's body]

I just answered that. Not eloquent, but it doesn’t change the basic facts on the ground motivating said decision.

What specific reason did he give that stood out for you?

 

[Tigerace117]

What specific reason did he give that stood out for you?

Is there a reason you keep trying to avoid facing the fact the Ukrainians pretty clearly don’t seem to have anywhere close to the ability to retake Crimea?

 

[anatta]

not watching any OP video.
Clearly Crimea is Russian lingua franca, street signs in Russian, annexation was done without firing a shot, and Crimea is historical Russian
It's absurd to think it's going to do anything but remain that way.

 

[Roadvirus]

not watching any OP video.
Clearly Crimea is Russian lingua franca, street signs in Russian, annexation was done without firing a shot, and Crimea is historical Russian

Crimean Tartars persecuted by Russia since 2014...

 

[Cordelier]

The last few years of war have resulted in the Ukrainians not being even remotely close to being able to try and take Crimea.

The bulk of the people there aren’t interested in being part of Ukraine.

Recognizing reality is something the US should be doing more of.

Anyone who wants to be Russian can move there.

Hell, they'll probably even take you too.

 

[Tigerace117]

Crimean Tartars persecuted by Russia since 2014...

That’s like saying the way Native Americans are treated by the US makes Texas not an American state.

 

[Tigerace117]

Anyone who wants to be Russian can move there.

Hell, they'll probably even take you too.

Gee, why would they agree to that, given the Ukrainians haven’t managed to get anywhere close to Crimea to begin with?

I get the West is pathetically incompetent at diplomacy, but issuing ultimatums doesn’t work when you can’t back them up.

 

[Cordelier]

Gee, why would they agree to that, given the Ukrainians haven’t managed to get anywhere close to Crimea to begin with?

I get the West is pathetically incompetent at diplomacy, but issuing ultimatums doesn’t work when you can’t back them up.

Might doesn't make right, Tiger.

 

[Tigerace117]

Might doesn't make right, Tiger.

According to America and its pals it absolutely does. “Might makes right” is the standard the “liberal order” is based on.

 

[Cordelier]

According to America and its pals it absolutely does. “Might makes right” is the standard the “liberal order” is based on.

Geez... can you find a broader brush to paint with?

 

[Tigerace117]

Geez... can you find a broader brush to paint with?

How many of those responsible for the extensive war crimes the US committed in Iraq were tried at The Hague?

None?

Hmmm.

 

[Cordelier]

How many of those responsible for the extensive war crimes the US committed in Iraq were tried at The Hague?

None?

Hmmm.

So what are you arguing? That the US should join the ICC or that it shouldn't?

 

[Tigerace117]

So what are you arguing? That the US should join the ICC or that it shouldn't?

The pretense that the US doesn’t fully subscribe to the ideology of “might making right” is rather laughable.

 

[Cordelier]

The pretense that the US doesn’t fully subscribe to the ideology of “might making right” is rather laughable.

And membership in the ICC is the sole criteria for coming to such a conclusion?

 

[Tigerace117]

And membership in the ICC is the sole criteria for coming to such a conclusion?

If the US actually believed in, like, even half of what it claimed to, those responsible for the extensive list of war crimes it committed would have been held accountable.

Instead you’ve got Kamala Harris actively trying to appeal to the neocon Republicans and Eddie Gallagher getting freaking action figures.

 

[Cordelier]

If the US actually believed in, like, even half of what it claimed to, those responsible for the extensive list of war crimes it committed would have been held accountable.

Instead you’ve got Kamala Harris actively trying to appeal to the neocon Republicans and Eddie Gallagher getting freaking action figures.

Interesting use of the world "you've". Don't you mean "we've"?